Disease Can Spread As Easily Without A Visit To A Foreign Country

Hi all:

I was thinking about this topic the other day and having worked in a financial institution for more decades than I care to count I want to put this out to our readership for their thoughts and comments.

The fact is that some diseases can lay dormant on the cash in your wallet long before you put it there. If pandemic strains were to appear it would be difficult to limit their spread since anyone infected that came in contact with it by touching it could spread it through the money supply.

There has been talk of infected terrorists coming to the US as the spreaders of the Ebola virus, but it could be more effective to infect the cash in your wallet by preparing a solution and simply spraying it on the bills. I am aware that it can only lay dormant for a couple of weeks but in that time, it could work its deadly magic across the globe.

What do you think?

a reply to: Cynic

Diseases spread. It's a fact of life. They also adapt, mutate and evolve all on their own without terrorists - corporate OR ideological. ...The money-as-transmission-vehicle thing was identified long ago - just one of the reasons for pushing a "cashless society."

Now there's a conspiracy theory:

The Ebola epidemic was started and worldwide panic generated to justify the last phase of implementing a global cashless economy.

a reply to: Cynic

OK. Now I'm happy that I'm broke.

Well the question would be can the cash, the wallet or whatever harbor a virus effectively allowing it to be infectious for the amount of time and in the specific conditions that the object experience.

I'm uncertain about the whole Ebola "scare" or rather focus, that the virus has come under recently.

The fact is that Ebola is very similar to AIDS in the way that it spreads and behaves and whilst AIDS isn't under control or fully understood, it doesn't appear to have the world killing potential that the doom pimps and MSM have claimed Ebola has.

Oh yes, and people can actually live through Ebola and survive it.

Change given to you that Previously belonged to a Sick Drug Addict.

Change given to you that was Previously in the hands of a Flu Carrier.

Change given to you that was Previously in an Ebola Carriers Wallet.

What's really Gross is when I see people in Casino's eating as they are pushing the Poker Machine Buttons. Don't you know these buttons have been pushed by thousands of people before you - possible many of them sick. Yuck x Infinity.

Makes me want to Launder my Money.

S&F for bringing this issue to notice.

a reply to: Cynic

Most diseases die within minutes or hours outside they body, but there are a few (raare cases that can live a few days).


Anecdote: When I was in my early 20's I worked in a pizza delivery place and our manager very noticeably had herpes (not a cold sore.. assure you) and when I had to answer the phone he'd use I always wiped it down with alcohol germicide. I know, kind've a hypochondriac, but his mouth looked awful.

So that's what lead me to look it up. I believe it said herpes lived 15-30 min outside the body, but that was memory from an 8 year old search.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

Hmmm. Not true any more. Things started changing around 1995 or so. Specifically, Ebola can survive in the right environment (warm and moist) without a host for a good while (can't find my ref. lol).

Years ago, I read (probably in Science News) that viruses can’t survive long outside their hosts. ....A pair of new flu papers now indicates that although many germs will die within hours, none of us should count on it. Given the right environment, viruses can remain infectious — potentially for many weeks, according to one of the studies.

Its subjects may well qualify for the Guinness Book of Records. But that study is hardly the first to establish that viruses can live on surfaces for more than a few days.

ETA MORE:

How long do nosocomial pathogens persist on inanimate surfaces?

....Most viruses from the respiratory tract, such as corona, coxsackie, influenza, SARS or rhino virus, can persist on surfaces for a few days. Viruses from the gastrointestinal tract, such as astrovirus, HAV, polio- or rota virus, persist for approximately 2 months. Blood-borne viruses, such as HBV or HIV, can persist for more than one week. Herpes viruses, such as CMV or HSV type 1 and 2, have been shown to persist from only a few hours up to 7 days.

Conclusion

The most common nosocomial pathogens may well survive or persist on surfaces for months and can thereby be a continuous source of transmission if no regular preventive surface disinfection is performed.

Yes money and or chemtrails, cloud seeding. If its a real thing and not a hoax, or depopulation of certain groups, which is evil and unfortunately we seem to keep going to the ballet to cast a vote for the evil ones, instead of meeting up between elections and forming councils of citizens and electing our own most ideal and helpful citizens, and making changes so that firing anyone and any judge is possible easily and swiftly at public discretion.

So, we need to start questioning the news alot more, and not believe some of this crapola. I do not believe it is real, some kind of agenda. But usually their fake things still kill people, so speak up and ask for them to turn themselves into the police. They need to know we know.

Unfortunately, though I write this, its hard to even to make a dent in people seeing through the world enough to even voice awareness to them let alone stop voting for Murder Incorporated.

originally posted by: Dingo80
Change given to you that Previously belonged to a Sick Drug Addict.

Change given to you that was Previously in the hands of a Flu Carrier.

Change given to you that was Previously in an Ebola Carriers Wallet.

What's really Gross is when I see people in Casino's eating as they are pushing the Poker Machine Buttons. Don't you know these buttons have been pushed by thousands of people before you - possible many of them sick. Yuck x Infinity.

Makes me want to Launder my Money.

S&F for bringing this issue to notice.

.... And hte vast majority of them are fine. It's not much different than opening a door with your hand or using the touchscreen at a grocery store. Even those people only have to touch their eyes or nose.

You can't live in fear. It's worse than the actual danger.

But I'd be afraid too if Ebola or something more dangerous were becoming pandemic and killing millions. And that's a more natural fight or flight response and is justified. However, being afraid of everyday potential pathogens? There're a lot of potential viruses that can kill a person easily, but they're rare. Being afraid of them is counterproductive.

We're already a fairly well sanitary and medically advanced society. The real difficulty would be going back 300 years to a much less polished society. I suppose in 300 years time people will be living so much longer and with so many more comforts they also would experience difficulties living in todays world. I'm sure people could transition, but some would panic. Not being able to rich a ripe old age of 150 would just be unacceptable! Dying from a simple blood clot? Becoming sick from food poisoning? Not having your nanobots replenished to cure viral infections? Unthinkable!

I'm not trying to sweep the dangers under the rug or anything. They're real, I know. I just think our fears can work against us too.

a reply to: DodgyDawg

I think porous surfaces like clothing don't hold onto viruses long, whereas metals or hard smooth surfaces harbor them much longer.

a reply to: soficrow

I said a in my original post few can live for days. Ebola is old and large and can live outside the body for 23 days.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

www.msdsonline.com...

But the odds of i living on money, unless there is a large amount and object is moist or has a large amount of dried virus on i, it's really not very likely.

I had thought today, if someone infected with Ebola were to fly into the country where I live through our main airport and were to go toilet, then there goes 1000000 people as we drink recycled poo and pee water in our city, as well as mega doses of fluoride poison and chlorine and dog knows what else they add to our water.

It can also travel via rats .. notorious carriers of disease often by ship as rats have always found ways aboard ships ..

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: soficrow

I said a in my original post few can live for days. Ebola is old and large and can live outside the body for 23 days.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

www.msdsonline.com...

But the odds of i living on money, unless there is a large amount and object is moist or has a large amount of dried virus on i, it's really not very likely.

I think you're misreading the text - "(23)" refers to the footnote, not the number of days the virus can live.

btw- that's one of my old quotes from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), now on MSDSonline: "This MSDS / PSDS document, provided by Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), is offered here as a FREE public service to visitors of MSDSonline." BUT - PHAC modified their text on August 22, 2014. Here's the new entry (note they changed their code for footnotes):

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C) Footnote 52 Footnote 61. One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature Footnote 61. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa) Footnote 53. When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days Footnote 61. ….

….Date Modified: 2014-08-22

When I worked retail, I got two very bad colds in less than a year.
Normally, I get a bad cold about once in TEN years.

Handling money and not washing your hands is the culprit.

Now, I won't say ebola can spread via money, but other diseases....viruses ......sure can.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

I wasn't really concerned about Ebola, I simply used it in my example. Another poster referred to colds etc., when they worked in retail handling cash. I concur since it these were prevalent in the banking industry as well.

The main threat I think comes in the form of pandemic influenza, weaponized anthrax or some such thing.

originally posted by: soficrow

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: soficrow

I said a in my original post few can live for days. Ebola is old and large and can live outside the body for 23 days.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation.

www.msdsonline.com...

But the odds of i living on money, unless there is a large amount and object is moist or has a large amount of dried virus on i, it's really not very likely.

I think you're misreading the text - "(23)" refers to the footnote, not the number of days the virus can live.

btw- that's one of my old quotes from the Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), now on MSDSonline: "This MSDS / PSDS document, provided by Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), is offered here as a FREE public service to visitors of MSDSonline." BUT - PHAC modified their text on August 22, 2014. Here's the new entry (note they changed their code for footnotes):

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C) Footnote 52 Footnote 61. One study could not recover any Ebolavirus from experimentally contaminated surfaces (plastic, metal or glass) at room temperature Footnote 61. In another study, Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa) Footnote 53. When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days Footnote 61. ….

….Date Modified: 2014-08-22

I agree.. I was wrong it was the footnote, but without the footnote why did you argue with me at all. I originally said some like ebola can live a outside a host for a few days and that is exactly what the quoted material said, me being incorrect about the footnote makes me correct in my original statement.

Indefinitely at 4/5c is pretty cold. Meaning it would be a virus that could survive on outdoor surfaces during mild winters, but it's even less likely to spread because people don't go out as much, and have much less contact with surfaces and each other.

a reply to: Cynic

Oh yeah.. dude i worked in a hospice and wore so much germ x I looked like Egon post slimer encounter.

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

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Wasn't arguing - was providing you with more info and references. Sorry you did not get that.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Cynic

Oh yeah.. dude i worked in a hospice and wore so much germ x I looked like Egon post slimer encounter.

Damn it, I meant Venkman.