Gov. Jay Nixon signs exec. order to send Missouri National Guard to Ferguson

Well I was hoping the guard wouldn't be called in for this and it would die out on it own. But with the guard coming in it just going to up the chances of someone getting killed during the protests, which will cause it to spin even faster out of control.

originally posted by: Lipton

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
The National Guard is being sent to Ferguson, MO. When was the last time this happened for a protest? Please don't say Kent State. Not sure how I feel about this at all.

originally posted by: loam
I also expect *crickets* on any of the constitutional issues raised by the events of the last few nights. No one apparently really cares.

It's really hard to defend these people, given their actions....

Thank you, I was about to say the exact same thing. The actions of the people are not of a peaceful nature, when you start throwing rocks, Molotov cocktails, shooting, and looting, arson, and shouting death to cops, it is NOT a peaceful protest.

Grim

With any luck, the NG won't be as twitchy as the cops were. And with a bit more luck, maybe a dialogue with the residents can actually be established beyond shrieking insults. Now that the autopsy shows the shots to the back was BS, maybe the residents will calm down & realize jumping the gun and running with it like they have been isn't any kind of "justice" at all. That's knee-jerking.

originally posted by: Grimmley

originally posted by: Lipton

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
The National Guard is being sent to Ferguson, MO. When was the last time this happened for a protest? Please don't say Kent State. Not sure how I feel about this at all.

originally posted by: loam
I also expect *crickets* on any of the constitutional issues raised by the events of the last few nights. No one apparently really cares.

It's really hard to defend these people, given their actions....

Thank you, I was about to say the exact same thing. The actions of the people are not of a peaceful nature, when you start throwing rocks, Molotov cocktails, shooting, and looting, arson, and shouting death to cops, it is NOT a peaceful protest.

Grim

It was peaceful until the police started throwing tear gas and I wouldn't say the actions of a few constitutes the whole town losing there constitutional rights

Kent State was brought to us by the national guard. Given the changes since then, I see a chance for it to be worse.

Will there be support the troops rallies for the guard or will it push opinion to other direction.

This is going to open the door to more heavy handed control, IMO.

Well the age old question of "will the US armed forces turn on US civilians?" Is about to be answered.

originally posted by: Thefarmer

originally posted by: Grimmley

originally posted by: Lipton

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
The National Guard is being sent to Ferguson, MO. When was the last time this happened for a protest? Please don't say Kent State. Not sure how I feel about this at all.

originally posted by: loam
I also expect *crickets* on any of the constitutional issues raised by the events of the last few nights. No one apparently really cares.

It's really hard to defend these people, given their actions....

Thank you, I was about to say the exact same thing. The actions of the people are not of a peaceful nature, when you start throwing rocks, Molotov cocktails, shooting, and looting, arson, and shouting death to cops, it is NOT a peaceful protest.

Grim

It was peaceful until the police started throwing tear gas and I wouldn't say the actions of a few constitutes the whole town losing there constitutional rights

Funny you should say that...Possible Provocateur? on Friday





Also interesting...New Army Manual Calls for the Use of Lethal Force Against Peaceful Protesters

U.S. Army U.S. Army Techniques Publication 3-39.33: Civil Disturbances

By the way, long time lurker..made account awhile ago, but just active today, first post. Been following the ongoing thread on State of Emergency Declared in Ferguson - Curfew from 12 am to 5am - Now National Guard...and thought I would contribute a little bit. I also know everyone was looking for a pic of someone throwing cocktails or something at the police, this may be it..requires some looking into I beleive.

a reply to: kosmicjack
Outside groups from Chicago? Could you be referring to Nation of Islam? I have seen what looks like black Muslims involved with organizing the protesters with chants.

There are committed trained warriors on the ground in St. Louis.… There are also spies and deflectors on the ground too.… All general orders are in full effect across the nation.… That military stockpile got flashed today.… No tears, no fear — only ambition and determination.

www.thenewamerican.com...

Makes me wonder if this is all a carefully planned operation from the criminals from Chicago. That goes all the way up to where the buck stops...

a reply to: Mikeultra

I don't fully understand the details but supposedly(?) it's a communist organization. I'm sure someone will come along and provide more info.

a reply to: kosmicjack
This organization has the photo of the man in the U.S. flag shirt throwing something at the police on its banner. The guy people were speculating is a janitor from Ferguson City Hall. He has dreadlocks. This looks like it could be a commie organization. obs-onthemove.org...

Read this comment from this link. www.thenewamerican.com...

Friday, 15 August 2014 18:39 posted by Frank M. Pelteson The Marxist dialectic operates on the principle of Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis. That means that Socialist Progress can only occur due to a manufactured REACTION to a manufactured crisis. In addition, it uses the method of "Pressure from Above and Below." This has been known to educated members of The John Birch society for decades, but is still practically unknown to the populace at large. The more this is understood, the better the problem of the Conspiracy to make the US into a region of a World Socialist Police State under the United Nations can be averted. The best solution is to join the John Birch Society at www.jbs.org... and get into action as an educator and recruiter.

www.thenewamerican.com...

I've been thinking about this all morning. While it is very upsetting that the Governor has called up the Guard, it cannot be discussed or fairly weighed without first considering one pertinent question - What must daily life in Ferguson be like right now for the average citizen?

HELL.

Some have lost their jobs and paychecks due to destruction of property...but their monthly bills will still come due.

Children were scheduled to start the school year today but was canceled...what parent could send their child to school amidst such chaos?

Do the people who are fortunate enough to be able to go to work feel comfortable leaving their children, spouses, possessions behind with the chaos still unfolding and ever-changing and escalating each day?

Has anyone been able to just take a deep breath, rest or clear their minds?

I hate everything about this story - the corrupt culture of the FPD prior to this, the shooting, the character assassination from both sides, the violence looting and property destruction, the militarization of the police, the failed traditional media coverage, the far-reaching implications of calling up the Guard to police citizens. Everything.

But until someone can offer another way forward for citizens to go back to their lives and feel safe from outside criminal elements and police brutality - what is the alternative to the National Guard?

From obs-onthemove,org

There are 52 police and only 5 are Black. That’s 6% Black representation.

Actually it's almost 10%. Someone should have stayed in junior high another year or two.

My question is:

Is the FPD and others as inept as they seem or was this done to reach the point it is at now, the NG acting as police.

I tend to think the police are not what they use to be as far as skills and training.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice

originally posted by: Brainiac
a reply to: WhiteAlice
Hurricane Katrina?

Hurricane Katrina wasn't a protest unless it was actually Mother Nature addressing her grievances of us. lol

I'm really mixed on this as I know from a friend that there are a lot of outside elements in Ferguson now, some of which may want to provoke the situation. Still the last time I can think of where the National Guard was called in for a protest was Kent State.


The one other time has been the LA Riots in 1992 that ended once the California National Guard moved in but that was an outright riot and less protest. (Way more destruction than what's been seen in Ferguson).

Hurricane Katrina was not a protest, that is correct.

That did not mean that there wasn't looting. The looting started before the hurricane arrived.... just after most of the police left.

I wonder what we would see happen in NYC, Chicago or Los Angeles if the police were removed from duty for just one night?

a reply to: roadgravel

Well, more and more it seems that the mindset of LE across this country is "us versus them".

The National Guard is tasked more to help and protect..force if necessary yes but certainly they don't have enough day to day, on the job interaction with citizens to fall into that negative trap of "us versus them" nor do they have have an axe to grind as the FPD does. I hope.

The question is - who is in charge of the Missouri National Guard, what are they like, what is their background? If we're lucky, we'll get another Russell Honore-type like we had in Katrina.

a reply to: kosmicjack

Given they probably have been in the mideast in the war on terror, I would be suspicious about how they react.

The rioting is a direct result of the "authorities" failure to step up take control of the situation right away. Police and the local leaders are too afraid to state the truth. Brown had just committed a crime. Brown was attacking a police officer. Brown was dangerous. If they did that from the beginning instead of playing CYA then the people in the community would accept it. Those who live there know they live amongst some dangerous people...that's why they bar their windows. But to put out zero info, let "witnesses" give testimony with any sort rebuttal and to just pussy foot around while tensions build in order not to appear racist is always a bad plan. Now it's too late even though the evidence is showing exactly as I stated above. It's escalated out of control and a national story with all players and TV cameras there...it has to play out. The NG is needed at this point. The good people in that community will be the ones to pay the price - just like the LA riots in 92.

February 15, 2014
ST. LOUIS • The Missouri National Guard said Friday that it was cooperating with federal officials handling what has been described as one of the largest fraud investigations in Army history.

So far, officials say $29 million was squandered from a recruiting bonus program meant to build up troop numbers during one of the toughest points of the Iraq war.

Military personnel were supposed to be paid anywhere from $2,000 to $7,500 for each buddy they referred to sign up for service. The program wasn’t meant for full-time recruiters, rather these informal “recruiting assistants.”

But officials say full-time recruiters, civilians and others gamed the $386 million program. As of January, the Army said 104 people have been “held accountable” through the court system or administrative action. Many more are under investigation.

Link

Yep, the guys running this one are to be trusted.

LA calif was not a riot it was a street war.

Over 1500 people were shot not by cops or the NG, But by people putting a stop to looting.

Without cops many non rioters stayed in there homes and apartments and fired on looters and gang members on the street.

After the cops never even collected the bullets taken from these looters and gang members by doctors.