Best alien footage ever, what happened to it, any followup?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: dinogirl

It was a very well put together hoax , on close examination of the footage there were telltale signs of fakery like the number font used being modern , added scratches and problems with the UFO , the Alien was a professional style puppet.
The only mystery about the footage is who made it and why.

That sucks! Never seen those clips before and enjoyed them. Would be nice if such things were real as it would add something interesting to a very boring way of existence.

To be sure for a first thread, a mod's reaction was OTT, "this tread will be trashed".. if there is not enough info given.
I make no comment on that video, other than the Nod's remarks.

Hiya,

I'm not a mega expert when it comes to 8mm etc ... but I've had to work with it some, and there are some oddities about that particular footages.

If you look down the bottom of this image, you can see a straight as a ruler horizontal line:

I've simply never seen a piece of footage cut off that sharply outside of an after effects composition and maybe some higher quality film cuts. It's a very sharp focus in comparison to the rest of the film and doesn't seem native to the film projection itself, so where did it come from?

The other thing is the number of vertical lines trailing the footage. It's pretty common to see those lines all the way over the right since that's where the take up claw grabs the footage. There aren't usually many reasons to have a large number of those deep scratches in the centre of the film from what I know. (Please correct me if you know anything about this!)

Some examples:




'Restored' footage:


The most common reason to have those sharp lines at the base of a piece of footage and to have so many scratches and stains that don't seem to 'fit' with other examples of similar footage is those little plugins you get in After Effects and other compositing programs. They will have something like 'horizontal scratch amplitude' and 'jitter' which you can set to add this type of thing into the footages. They also commonly apply far too many stains and not enough spots or the like by default. This is mainly because the defaults aren't set to 'hoax' they're set to show off all the features of the pluggie and look cinematic at best.

Whilst the timecode pointed out by gortex could be from a later digitizing of the footages thus explaining any font issues, there is the issue of this being a very unique collection of film artifacts and perhaps this is the best place to start prior to critiquing special or visual effects works.

a reply to: dinogirl

First part of the first video just looks like a dirigible.

originally posted by: Pinke
Hiya,

I'm not a mega expert when it comes to 8mm etc ... but I've had to work with it some, and there are some oddities about that particular footages.

This is the case, when material is made to look like it's old, without understanding why old footage looked that way.

It is not a hoax made by professionals, because the plugin was just set to default values, no one researched how a real 8mm movie looks like. There was no point to do so too, because as you can see it will fool anyone who is set to believe, and will not bother to do any research about old films.

And now you explained it. They would never do the research themselves, but now they will now how to make better hoax next time, thanks to you Debunkers are what makes the new hoaxes more and more convincing, it is a game that goes on for decades.

a reply to: iknowyou

Well, it's the nature of info... how can one discuss a hoax if in fear that the discussion will simply be used to makethe next hoax better?

Ultimately, I feel this has to be a hoax... for some of the reasons already stated and the treatments that give it the film "feel"... they just seem too ...artificial and uniform.

But I look at a lot of cgi (as we all do now a days) and I can't remember seeing better... big budget films don't achieve the same fluidity and naturalness.

I guess there still is a small chance of it being legit... but if not, as Gortex said, the real question is who and why... it must have taken some real money or an up an coming special effects genius who will surface and lay claim.

There is real, unusual talent here.

a reply to: Swills
I am getting virus threats when I click on your link for plant and insect.
Anyone else having this threat ?

originally posted by: iknowyou
And now you explained it. They would never do the research themselves, but now they will now how to make better hoax next time, thanks to you

Debunkers are what makes the new hoaxes more and more convincing, it is a game that goes on for decades.

I would have to disagree, although I understand where you're coming from.

Professional knowledge spreading through the public via easy to access compositing programs has allowed people to make convincing hoaxes, not this type of discussion.

In general its the fear of information sharing that allows hoaxing techniques to thrive. They used to have a similar attitude among the digital and physical forensics communities until they realized that not talking at all puts more people in danger not less.

a reply to: dinogirl

The alien is known as 'Skinny Bob' which you will find if you do a search.

Just to put a spanner in the works; What if this is made to look like a fake but is based on real footage? This would be a way of saying something without saying too much...

There's always someone who says things like " This is a known hoax " or " This has been debunked a couple of years ago ".
Then others say " thanks for debunking the video " or whatever.....
But where is the proof.
I'm not saying the videos in the OP are real but I also cannot say they are fake.

Maybe someone will come along with proof that the vids are fake.......but let's not just cast these threads aside until proof has been given.

S+F

Does anyone really believe that something as important as alien beings or a crashed spacecraft on Earth would be filmed as horribly as this by the military? Practically every scene is jittery, out of focus, and doesn't center the subject for longer than a few seconds. Classic moves of someone who doesn't want what is seen, to be completely seen. Which is against the entire point of filming it. Look up any old military footage less important and tell me how many times the cameraman stubbles around the scene like any of these.

Use some common sense.

originally posted by: SonoftheSun
But let's say he's wrong. Then I would have a very (and I mean VERY) hard time believing that youtube videos showing extraterrestrials and/or a real alien craft would stay on the net; if they were real, that is.

Purging something from the internet (if possible) is very risky. By purging it you've validated it. We don't even do this with highly classified military information. The best way to keep the information secure once it has been leaked is to never confirm it's authenticity.

What is the background of the video?

Has anyone talked to Ivan in person?

What is the source of this information?

originally posted by: 300RYA
What is the background of the video?

Has anyone talked to Ivan in person?

What is the source of this information?

The background is that it's one of the visits from the Greada Treaty, possibly the one Eisenhower was at. I think the video gives a date, that would tell you.

No one has talked to Ivan, it's a youtube channel that had very few uploads and nothing else.

The source is unknown, hence why some say it's a special effects demo reel.

There are a few indications that it's not legit. The first is the claim that the aliens discovered the recording, wouldn't they demand it destroyed right then if so? Second is the location of the person recording, they're up front and doing a poor job of keeping the camera on any specific object. Any sort of documentation would want to get as much as possible, which would lean towards someone in the back looking at it straight on and recording. Last, by having everything in constant motion fewer details are needed, the brain doesn't really process details in motion.

The film is borrowing from the mythos of a film that actually was taken at this supposed meeting (disney of all sources released a frame of it), but this likely isn't it.

a reply to: dinogirl

I happen to believe it's real.
The footage can of corse have been altered, the film itself but not the content that is.

I find it strange that "he" uploaded 2 videos and then nothing more.
Also, how the et looks and what he is wearing I have seen beings in the same race wear.

But sure, it's easy to fake these days if you are very talented.
I have seen cgi footage of et's and ufo's bt those are very easy to see it's cgi.

These videos however seem more realistic in many ways.

But that's just my opinion.