Mainly for the Brits, Would Cameron's "Big Society" Ever Include Groups Like the Palestinians?

Despite his lacklustre failure as a Prime Minister, Cameron has really flouted 'his' idea of the "Big Society" which is supposed to enclose all equally. (Funny as he is form the wealthy elite and their public school backgrounds which could well be regarded as totally unhealthy today).

We cannot ignore what is going on in Gaza and here his main principle of leadership, should be speaking out. However, the man has suddenly been struck dumb, despite one of his own women ministers departing in protest over British policy over Gaza.

It is tragic when Cameron gets the ideal chance to show not only his own public, but the world his principle of a "Big Society" that he chooses to remain silent over Gaza. Anyone agree?

Not sure what the big society has to do with Gaza. Gaza is not part of the UK.

Anyway, I guess you have not heard that the UK govt. Cameron has decided to review all weapons deals with Israel and will not sell arms to be used in the Gaza conflict

UK review Israel weapons sales..





The UK govt and ministers have been speaking out about this a lot recently.

BTW, I do not support Cameron or Labour. They are both terrible and anyone who votes for either party has a lot of explaining to do. Labour have the same stance on Gaza as the conservatives.

a reply to: pennydrops

Yes but knowing what our government says and what it actually does is quite another matter.

Its the principle of what he is saying that I am getting at. Surely all countries should have their own "Big Society's" interests at heart?

a reply to: Shiloh7


Do you expect anything different? No matter who is in power, we have the same international policies. That is why it's usless voting if we want change.

We are told by thye politicians and msn that not voting is bad.........and people parrot this all the time, not realising it is the ONLY way to change the system. If we vote, the system continues as it is. If enough of us abstain, they need to change. It is the only way.

WHile we are bickering about which politicians are best, we are legitimising them. We need to call out the BS on ALL politicians, they ALL lie. They never keep their policies.


I dont vote, because of that, I am not to be held responsible for the mess around the world. If you vote, you have to take some responsibility as the simple act of voting is your mark of legitimacy for the system. You take part therefore encourage it. We all need to stop this system now. Stop taking part.


People are far too brainwashed to stop voting.

The other side of the coin is that if you don't vote, the nameless sons of nameless fathers continue in power by default,
therefore it is still your fault that you are complaining about those creatures that rule over you.

a reply to: pennydrops

I worry that if I don't vote for the mandate I like best and abstain and the majority of people do the same, we could end ujp with a dictatorship. By complaining when politicians don't honour their mandate we have a legitimate complaint, if I don't vote - do I have the same right?

I do see your point about bringing down the means of government today, but there is usually a `plan B for the elite and whether they would release their holdings of wealth in Britain and flee the chaos permanently, I somewhat doubt.

We have a queen with rothschild managing her affairs and therefore affairs of the state etc probably writing her speeches also, so we already have a NWO/rothschild dictatorship sitting cloaked in the background.

A few years ago things were discussed in parliament and there was a code of honour which politicians stuck to and, if caught by the press doing something embarrassing, or very wrong, they resigned, but todays toadies glue their backsides to their seats and a crowbar is usually necessary to get them to give up such a cosy job. Our press is owned, so utterly compromised by Rothschild ilks which makes it a pale shadow of its past glories and protection of the British people. One could watch a good exchange of views in our parliament but, today all one sees in parlaiment is platitudes which are simply a waste of parlaimentary time, virtually everything is done by quangos and committees - basically behind the scenes for the public. I have watched some of these committee meetings on tv and it seems basically staged, questions asked and if not resolved simply left unanswered and people getting away without much discipline being brought and very little change as eg in the banking system.

a reply to: pikestaff

I do think its only since the internet that we in Britain have actually had a platform for a voice and the means to communicate with groups here. The French farmers always seemed to have a jungle telegraph system to arrange themselves for a spat with the government over differences, but here farmers are/were isolated to an extent and we rarely see good protest.

Fortunately we are changing as a nation and with groups of different peoples coming from places where protest is virtually a norm, we are fast learning how to mount protest, which has never been a British thing with our stiff, upper lip brigade.

I suspect it will be through protest that we will get change and not so much the ballot box.

I get very angry when wealthy politicians who never have faced any financial hardship dictate to the poor as today our government benches are so far apart from many of the people they govern and so out of touch that they dont seem to be able to pass laws that reflect life in our communities.

I do think that the 'big community' principle albeit meaning the public is a good principle and with the fact that we give arms to Israel, Cameron has the opportunity to be spouting to Netanyahoo about the benefits of a policy he has put his name to and saying this in public - the more silent he is the more insincere he appears.

Sorry to change the angle slightly on this guys but there is no equality in Britain and never will be. While the class structure, one of the most marked in the world, still persists it can't happen. Not to mention the mass defamation of character of unemployed people and worse still, disabled people whom he wants in work: so do they only no-one will employ them, workshops have all been closed and there is no longer any real specialist support at Jobcentres. He is now demolishing any benefits that were so the only option is beg, steal or die. He prefers the latter. There's your Big Society!

Cameron is an idiot !
Whatever happens he can just close the door to it and jump in his jacuzzi with his toffs !
What's the difference with all the other wars we've been involved in ?
Oil ! Best thing Israel can do is find oil then Obama and Cameron will be tripping each other up to help Israel !

Cameron's Big Society project got pretty much dumped 2 or 3 years ago didn't it? When they realised it didn't gel with the public, and we all realised it was just a smokescreen for cutting public services and expecting volunteers to pick up the slack.

Sack all the library workers - Big Society volunteers take over the running of the libraries.

Sack the mental health workers - Big Society volunteers pick up more slack over Care In The Community.


It was pretty obvious where the Tories were heading with this.

a reply to: Alien44

I do agree with what you say, especially about the disabled and the way the money we paid into the system to have benefits for those who need them seems to have been squandered over a very long time.

I do feel that being governed by men like cameron is useless for the public as he doesn't and wouldn't want to I suspect relate to a normal life for those living on the pittance he thinks is adequate benefit or the minimum wage. Regardless of his top-notch education he clearly doesn't understand the meaning of 'minimum' and has never experienced i a min imal lifestyle for himself and his family.

This is where his talking to the media about the 'Big Society' needs to be quantified as sure, in Brtitain the benefits for the rich are 'Big Society standard,' albeit they might have some of their income taxed in the UK, but for the general public and today pretty much of the middle -upper classes, the cost of living and the withdrawal of the various benefits we aqll once enjoyed are being stealthily eroded or removed.

Another area his 'Big Society' fails the people its aimed at is with people leaving prison. In prison he has not put in any useful means of further education, in fact finance for courses has been cut to the minimum. Everything is being done to ensure that offenders will have to reoffend as they come out literally as they went in without any decent form of training to get them back into the big society. Also their crimes due to cameron's delightful name and shame, which he doesn 't apply to his fellow politicians who committed expense fraud and the bankers etc, ensures that a prison leaver cannot get a job without their past misdemeanours literally stamped on their foreheads. For a number of new offenders, they cannot get back into the big society, even if they try to ensure their cars, belongings or whatever, the insujrance companies n ow exploit people with records and charge much higher premiums, which is detrimental to someone trying to start back in society. A lady who had done 6 months in prison told me she did manage to do a computer course, but the software she learned on was 2003 and earlier, so pretty useless for many of today's companys' so she couldn't get a job with the training she had, even with firms willing to try her out because she hadn't been trained to todays' software etc.

I will be very interested were Scotland to have the ba--s to go it alone and leave the UK because I would like to see cameron's outline for the Big Society once he is only governmening NI, Wales and England. I want our country to get out of the wasting of tax payers money the elite carry out and see them all gravitate to some other country with a far higher status than England. I think we would all do much better and I wish the Scots good luck - but please go for us to benefit from a fairer society - big or not.

a reply to: Denoli

Sadly oil has been found in Israel, it just happens to lie off the Gazan coast which is a bit inconvenient for Netanyahoo. Although if he can bomb all the buildings and people can't live in Gaza as they have no homes, he gets what he wants. They have also found it in Syria so Israel will be getting ready on the sly to try to nip further into Syrian territory.

What has really got my irritation going with cameron is his silence on Israel, yet he isn't shy incoming forwarfd when he talks about other ME country's and I think we need an explanation why. He has the perfect opportunity to spout all about the benefits of 'a big society' to Israel in an effort to lead for once but no - as usual he is a let-down. I doubt he will remain in parliament much after the next election as the tories certainly won't win with him at the helm - not that I would vote for them ever again.

I'm really pleased to see that I and others here are preaching to the converted. The fact of the matter is that any government no longer has the interests of the people it serves (served) at heart anymore and that there is a much bigger agenda. I'm just so glad it's not just me being paranoid as my wife seems to think. Learn what they are doing and how they are doing it and give it back to them in spades! Bonne Chance!