A Simple and Elegant Solution to The Palestininan Problem

A simple and elegant solution to Palestinian Homeland problem is for them to get some old battered pickup trucks drive across the borders and appropriate some empty and unoccupied land from Syria ,Iraq and Saudia Arabia and declaring a New State of Palestine.

I am sure the Arabs won't mind as they have so much EMPTY and UNOCCUPIED land.

Finally their muslim brothers using some initiative and getting some place to stay at last.

After all ISIS did this in only a few days taking vast amounts of territory from Syria and Iraq and creating a caliphate.

Why can't the Palestinians do the same?Just look at a map.Vast amounts of unoccupied land.

originally posted by: championoftruth
A simple and elegant solution to Palestinian Homeland problem is for them to get some old battered pickup trucks drive across the borders and appropriate some empty and unoccupied land from Syria ,Iraq and Saudia Arabia and declaring a New State of Palestine.

I am sure the Arabs won't mind as they have so much EMPTY and UNOCCUPIED land.

Finally their muslim brothers using some initiative and getting some place to stay at last.

After all ISIS did this in only a few days taking vast amounts of territory from Syria and Iraq and creating a caliphate.

Why can't the Palestinians do the same?Just look at a map.Vast amounts of unoccupied land.

Because most Palestinians are just like you and I. They have families and jobs and homes. Hamas isn't Palestine; they are a governing extremist force and are just as much a threat to Palestinians as they are to Israel.

If Canada started invading us leveling our neighborhood, the "simple and elegant" solution wouldn't be to move our entire population to Mexico.

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: championoftruth
A simple and elegant solution to Palestinian Homeland problem is for them to get some old battered pickup trucks drive across the borders and appropriate some empty and unoccupied land from Syria ,Iraq and Saudia Arabia and declaring a New State of Palestine.

I am sure the Arabs won't mind as they have so much EMPTY and UNOCCUPIED land.

Finally their muslim brothers using some initiative and getting some place to stay at last.

After all ISIS did this in only a few days taking vast amounts of territory from Syria and Iraq and creating a caliphate.

Why can't the Palestinians do the same?Just look at a map.Vast amounts of unoccupied land.

Because most Palestinians are just like you and I. They have families and jobs and homes. Hamas isn't Palestine; they are a governing extremist force and are just as much a threat to Palestinians as they are to Israel.

If Canada started invading us leveling our neighborhood, the "simple and elegant" solution wouldn't be to move our entire population to Mexico.

Why do you hate Palestinians so much that you would see them die rather then move?

Gaza is like a giant prison.They need to move out to the Sinai peninsula which is also empty and waiting.They just seem to have no brains,no imagination,no innovation.whats jobs and hives? they are being flattened daily.

And yet somehow they cannot make the connection that the rockets that Hamas shoots into Israel by the hundreds brings that Israeli destruction to them.

If the Israelis are carrying out an extermination campaign they're not doing a very good job. So far they've killed 1065 Palestinians out of 1.816 million in the Gaza Strip, so that's like 0.06%. They've been at it for 22 days, if they kept this pace continually they'd kill just under 1% per year which is lower than the population growth rate. Unless they seriously step up their game the Palestinians are in no danger of extinction.

Or perhaps we could just acknowledge that Hamas is deliberately siting their weapons near civilians in order to increase the collateral damage of Israeli strikes. Frankly I think the Israelis are being pretty restrained given the scope of the problem. I can guarantee you that if the Mexicans were lobbing rockets into El Paso, Texas we'd be lighting them up like the 4th of July. (No offense to the Mexican people who for the most part would rather move here than lob rockets at us).

I MEAN 50 YEARS OF GETTING A BLOODY NOSE And yet somehow they cannot make the connection that the rockets that Hamas shoots into Israel by the hundreds brings that Israeli destruction to them.

a reply to: championoftruth

Because it should be Israeli's packing up their bs and moving out, not the people who were there in the first place.

originally posted by: Krystian
Based on the reply, sounds like a shill post.

No one mentioned any hate of Palestine and the first response instantly implies hate.

On to the next thread.

Even if it were it wouldn't even come close to evening the playing field.

But if your stepping out...see ya later!

a reply to: championoftruth

And what happens when they move to this unoccupied land? What are these 1.8 million nomads going to do while an infrastructure is built? Where are the resources for this infrastructure going to come from? What are these 1.8 million going to eat? What are these 1.8 million people going to drink? Last time I checked people tend to have a powerful need for food, water, and shelter. And last time I checked these things don't just spontaneously appear.

a reply to: championoftruth

Ill sing up the day you move out of your home or land, and let me move in, because my god said your land is really mine.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: championoftruth

And what happens when they move to this unoccupied land? What are these 1.8 million nomads going to do while an infrastructure is built? Where are the resources for this infrastructure going to come from? What are these 1.8 million going to eat? What are these 1.8 million people going to drink? Last time I checked people tend to have a powerful need for food, water, and shelter. And last time I checked these things don't just spontaneously appear.

In the same way the Isrealies grow food,have clean eater,build houses.The Palestinians need to spend less time hating others and more time building constructing.Like %100?


Its astonishing and amazing and marvelous how the Isrealies are at the forefront of a modern society while Aarbs are always boasting about 800 year old achievements and have invented zilch since and want to go back to a primeval AND medieval times with horses and swords and caliphates and beheadings for people who don't toe the line.Like ISIS.

a reply to: championoftruth

Except when the Israel became Israel there was already an infrastructure. Cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv already existed. Sewage and irrigation had already been constructed. Fields had already been planted. They piggy backed on the work done by those who came before them. Not to mention they had the support of Europe and America to help provide them with resources and money, which they continue to receive today.

What you want the Palestinians to do is go into unoccupied land, which tends to mean it's inhospitable, and form a new society with nothing. How is that anything like what occurred when the Jews were given Israel?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: championoftruth

Except when the Israel became Israel there was already an infrastructure. Cities like Jerusalem and Tel Aviv already existed. Sewage and irrigation had already been constructed. Fields had already been planted. They piggy backed on the work done by those who came before them. Not to mention they had the support of Europe and America to help provide them with resources and money, which they continue to receive today.

What you want the Palestinians to do is go into unoccupied land, which tends to mean it's inhospitable, and form a new society with nothing. How is that anything like what occurred when the Jews were given Israel?

I never said inhospitable.they just need to go and do some hard work and build infrastructure in SINAI peninsula which is fairly green.i checked on a map.

They need to stop sitting about and firing at Isreali all day.

people in glass houses SHOULD not throw stones.

The Palestinians stop need to be whiny crybabies and need to do some hard work.

Hundreds of billions have been poured into them.If you see or know a Palestinian try to tell them to do this ok.

it's for their benefit.



what did they do.

buy rockets and build 500 billion dollar tunnels to attack isreal .

Hamas is now the legitimate ruling party of a sovereign Palestinian nation, and yet violates the Geneva Conventions on a regular basis. They build tunnels into Israel to smuggle in operatives to conduct kidnappings and murders and suicide bombings. They acquire long range artillery, place it in their own population centers to use their own people as shields, adn then use them to target civilian population centers. Their fighters bear no markings, no uniforms or even a badge of sorts to identify them as such.

a reply to: championoftruth

Dude your asking for a people that have lived the lands for hundreds of years to move because you think there evil, your thread is a slippery slope looking for trolls to jump on.

So no its not even close to an acceptable solution.

Ill keep it nice.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: championoftruth

Dude your asking for a people that have lived the lands for hundreds of years to move because you think there evil, your thread is a slippery slope looking for trolls to jump on.

So no its not even close to an acceptable solution.

Ill keep it nice.

land ? its just dirt.

Palestinians are very SLOW to LEARN.ISIS has taken over
1/2 OF SYRIA AND iRAQ.Why can't you Plasticine not break out from the Gaza prison into the Sinai peninsula.Why? you can dig hundreds of tunnels to attack iIsrealis but you cannot dig tunnels to break out and takeover Sinai.You really are very DIM.MAYBE YOU SHOULD WEAR A DUNCE CAP.A simple and elegant solution to Palestinian Homeland problem is for them to get some old battered pickup trucks drive across the borders and appropriate some empty and unoccupied land from the Sinai area and declaring a New State of Palestine.

I am sure the Egyptians won't mind as they have so much EMPTY and UNOCCUPIED land. Finally their muslim brothers using some initiative and getting some place to stay at last.

After all ISIS did this in only a few days taking vast amounts of territory from Syria and Iraq and creating a caliphate.Why can't the Palestinians do the same?Just look at a map.


Vast amounts of unoccupied land.Any Answers???


It's worth bearing in mind that part the reason Gaza is so heavily blockaded right now is because Hamas was also attacking Egyptian soldiers in support of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood's violent resistance to it's overthrow forcing Egypt to shut Gaza's southern borders. If Gazans were simply sticking to peaceful protest then whatever the Israel do to blockade them the Egyptians would be letting food and supplies in right now. There are two borders in and out of Gaza and Gazans have successfully pissed off those controlling both of them with violence.

Gazans have made enemies with both their neighbours with persistent violent action and that's led to their isolation. Their isolation has become their excuse to start being even more violent which has now led to destruction of their infrastructure and widespread suffering.

For all the wrongs of the Israeli and Egyptian regimes it should be blindingly obvious to Gazans by now that the response to oppression by their enemies most definitely isn't aggression if they actually want to improve their lives.

The only reason Israel can get away with attacking Gaza in the first place is because there's substantial military infrastructure to attack. If Gazans disarmed then Israel would have absolutely no grounds to strike it - just like Israel does not strike Palestinians in the West Bank precisely because Palestinians there have learnt that non-violent opposition is a far better starting point for improving your situation.

a reply to: championoftruth

Im sorry you are difficult to follow, you sound abit angery or are too attached to the story. You cant compare two different groups with 2 different goal.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: championoftruth

Im sorry you are difficult to follow, you sound abit angery or are too attached to the story. You cant compare two different groups with 2 different goal.

Hamas has been trying very, very hard to kill lots and lots of civilians. They're just not very good at it but something will get through eventually. A better analogy is if that schoolyard bully keeps shooting at your house with a 22, but so far you've stayed away from the windows and your dog has kept him out of the yard. It's still not a way to live and you are under no obligation to endure it for more than... I don't know, five years? And then yes, you are completely welcome to go burn the guy's house down. Knock on the door, politely ask his parents to leave, text them, call them, leave a note, and then fire a warning shot. But yes, you can burn his house down and kill him. Because he has been trying extremely hard to kill you.

a reply to: championoftruth


There is a LARGER space for the Palestinians OR Israeli's to move into and that would be the space between your ears………. Just a thought………(and i couldn't resist it.)! ;-0

BUT again , a s someone has already said…WHY should the Palestinians move….??

Regards

PDUK

originally posted by: PurpleDog UK
a reply to: championoftruth


There is a LARGER space for the Palestinians OR Israeli's to move into and that would be the space between your ears………. Just a thought………(and i couldn't resist it.)! ;-0

BUT again , a s someone has already said…WHY should the Palestinians move….??

Regards

PDUK
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2 MILLION CRAMMED INTO A SARDINE CAN. DO YOU HAVE TO ASK?

their resentment will always cause violence.Hamas calls for Israels destruction. If given their way, they would commit genocide on every Israeli out there. They get rockets from Iran and Sudan smuggled through the Sinai in order to attack Israel. The rockets have no chance of ever doing serious damage to Israel, they are a terror weapon. Their purpose is to cause fear and panic in the Israeli population to disrupt the Israeli government. When fired, the Israeli government has no choice but to respond and try to destroy the launchers and shut down the tunnels.

Specifically, Hamas places the launchers of these rockets in heavily urbanized areas, next to schools, hospitals, and other civilians. Their aim is to have the launcher destroyed but cause significant civilian casualties amongst their own people in order to get people like you around the world inflamed against Israel and turn public opinion away. Specifically they're looking for the global Muslim public opinion, as it makes them viewed as the victim and Israel the heartless monster, which brings more foreign fighters to support them and encourages foreign support from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the various emirates.

So when you say 2-3 vs 1000 you are completely oversimplifying the situation. Israel has conducted a very limited ground operation with the objective of wiping out smuggling tunnels; they are not indiscriminately shelling Gaza population centers. Their airstrikes are targeting the launchers but invariably there will be misses, and because Hamas uses it's own people as sacrificial lambs and bullet shields, there will inevitably be large civilian casualties.

But, you know, just gloss over that. Just gloss over the fact that Hamas is now the legitimate ruling party of a sovereign Palestinian nation, and yet violates the Geneva Conventions on a regular basis. They build tunnels into Israel to smuggle in operatives to conduct kidnappings and murders and suicide bombings. They acquire long range artillery, place it in their own population centers to use their own people as shields, adn then use them to target civilian population centers. Their fighters bear no markings, no uniforms or even a badge of sorts to identify them as such. But yeah, because Israel constantly has it's territory violated, it's people killed, and it's cities attacked with rockets that their response is somehow the aggressor here. The only reason the death toll is so lopsided is because of the capabilities and discipline differences between the two, but if this were an even fight you'd be seeing more like 1 million dead Israelis. Intent of the aggressors matters more than capabilities.

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a reply to: championoftruth

You just don't get it do you……..!

The Palestinian Sovereign state (as you call it) is actually nothing more than a decimated, bullet ridden, shell shocked peice of land that the Israeli army and population haven't quite taken control of yet…..

Of course there are rockets being fired at Israel (palestinian self defence as per Israels right to self defence)
Of course there are 'smuggling' tunnels hidden away from view (hint - they are for smuggling and therefore hidden)
Of course there will be violations when your home is in bits………………


FYI here is a list of UN Resolutions against Israel where perhaps they should have ADHERED to decency……
UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-2011.

Note that Israel is in VIOLATION of many of these Resolutions.

Resolution 106: “…condemns Israel for Gaza raid”
Resolution 111: “…condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people”
Resolution 127: “…recommends Israel suspend its ‘no-man’s zone’ in Jerusalem”
Resolution 162: “…urges Israel to comply with UN decisions”
Resolution 171: “…determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria”
Resolution 228: “…censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control”
Resolution 237: “…urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees”
Resolution 248: “…condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan”
Resolution 250: “…calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem”
Resolution 251: “…deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250″
Resolution 252: “…declares invalid Israel‘s acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital”
Resolution 256: “…condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation”
Resolution 259: “…deplores Israel‘s refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation”
Resolution 262: “…condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport”
Resolution 265: “…condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan”
Resolution 267: “…censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem”
Resolution 270: “…condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon“
Resolution 271: “…condemns Israel‘s failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem”
Resolution 279: “…demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon“
Resolution 280: “…condemns Israeli’s attacks against Lebanon“
Resolution 285: “…demands immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon“
Resolution 298: “…deplores Israel‘s changing of the status of Jerusalem”
Resolution 313: “…demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon“
Resolution 316: “…condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon“
Resolution 317: “…deplores Israel‘s refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon“
Resolution 332: “…condemns Israel‘s repeated attacks against Lebanon“
Resolution 337: “…condemns Israel for violating Lebanon‘s sovereignty”
Resolution 347: “…condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon“
Resolution 425: “…calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon“
Resolution 427: “…calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon“
Resolution 444: “…deplores Israel‘s lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces”
Resolution 446: “…determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
Resolution 450: “…calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon“
Resolution 452: “…calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories”
Resolution 465: “…deplores Israel‘s settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel‘s settlements program”
Resolution 467: “…strongly deplores Israel‘s military intervention in Lebanon“
Resolution 468: “…calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return”
Resolution 469: “…strongly deplores Israel‘s failure to observe the council’s order not to deport Palestinians”
Resolution 471: “…expresses deep concern at Israel‘s failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
Resolution 476: “…reiterates that Israel‘s claims to Jerusalem are null and void”
Resolution 478: “…censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its ‘Basic Law’”
Resolution 484: “…declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors”
Resolution 487: “…strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq’s nuclear facility”
Resolution 497: “…decides that Israel‘s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights is null and void and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith”
Resolution 498: “…calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon“
Resolution 501: “…calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops”
Resolution 509: “…demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon“
Resolution 515: “…demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in”
Resolution 517: “…censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon“
Resolution 518: “…demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon“
Resolution 520: “…condemns Israel‘s attack into West Beirut”
Resolution 573: “…condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters”
Resolution 587: “…takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw”
Resolution 592: “…strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops”
Resolution 605: “…strongly deplores Israel‘s policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians”
Resolution 607: “…calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention”
Resolution 608: “…deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians”
Resolution 636: “…deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians”
Resolution 641: “…deplores Israel‘s continuing deportation of Palestinians”
Resolution 672: “…condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount”
Resolution 673: “…deplores Israel‘s refusal to cooperate with the United Nations”
Resolution 681: “…deplores Israel‘s resumption of the deportation of Palestinians”
Resolution 694: “…deplores Israel‘s deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return”
Resolution 726: “…strongly condemns Israel‘s deportation of Palestinians”
Resolution 799: “…strongly condemns Israel‘s deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.”
Resolution 803:
Resolution 830:
Resolution 852:
Resolution 887:
Resolution 895:
Resolution 904:
Resolution 1039:
Resolution 1052:
Resolution 1057 :
Resolution 1068:
Resolution 1073:
Resolution 1081:
Resolution 1095:
Resolution 1109:
Resolution 1122:
Resolution 1139:
Resolution 1151:
Resolution 1169:
Resolution 1188:
Resolution 1211:
Resolution 1223:
Resolution 1243:
Resolution 1254:
Resolution 1276:
Resolution 1288:
Resolution 1300:
Resolution 1310:
Resolution 1322: “..Condemned acts of violence especially the excessive use of force against Palestinians”, called on the occupying Power Israel, to abide by its legal obligations and stressed the importance of “establishing a mechanism for a speedy and objective inquiry into the provocation carried out at out at Al-Haram Al-Sharif” when Arial Sharon visited the Temple Mount and to the subsequent violence “resulting in over 80 Palestinian death

a reply to: championoftruth




The whole reason Hamas runs Gaza is because Palestinians elected them, and subsequent infighting resulted in the largely Hamas loyal Gazans ousting Fatah and pushing them to the West Bank, or just outright killing them.

So it's a bit of a cop out to pretend that civilians in Gaza can't be blamed for Hamas - they can, they voted for them, and they supported the ousting of the far more moderate and reasonable Fatah, those who supported Fatah were killed or fled to the West Bank.

So Palestinians in Gaza share an awful lot of the blame for Hamas is actions - they actively create and support the environment in which Hamas can do what it keeps doing.

Which isn't to say I support Israel either, their provocations such as arbitrary raids and continued provocative settlement building and land seizure in the West Bank where Palestinians are more moderate and are behaving is just asking to cause trouble too, but let's not pretend that Gazans are largely innocent, sorry to Godwin the argument, but they're ultimately no more innocent than the Germans in the 30s who voted for and support the National Socialists. If you vote for extremists you have to take responsibility for and accept the repercussions of doing so.