The quest for Progress: Design, Engineering and Scientific Challenges.

originally posted by: Gestas
Nasa's "official" stance

I'm going to go ahead and show my ignorance: I was not familiar with the term "warp drive."

From the article:

Here’s the premise behind a "wormhole."

Although Special Relativity forbids objects to move faster than light within spacetime, it is known that spacetime itself can be warped and distorted. It takes an enormous amount of matter or energy to create such distortions, but distortions are possible, theoretically. To use an analogy: even if there were a speed limit to how fast a pencil could move across a piece of paper, the motion or changes to the paper is a separate issue. In the case of the wormhole, a shortcut is made by warping space (folding the paper) to connect two points that used to be separated. These theories are too new to have either been discounted or proven viable. And, yes, wormholes do invite the old time travel paradox problems again.

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I guess NASA is suggesting that Special Relativity may now be a defunct theory?

If it's known that "spacetime" itself can be warped and distorted, how is it known, if the theories suggesting it can are too new?

PDF summary in two words:
Electron Flow

Theories are just theories, This thread is about verifying.
If you have technical capabilities or scientific access please use it in this thread try to suspend your disbelief of technological advancement.

within spacetime = / = outside spacetime.

Nasa itself I would call an unreliable source to link with evidence in this thread I just linked that to show the concept for people that are uncomprehending.

I am suggesting an effort to maximize peer review so we the people do not have to wait for the establishment to save us all.

so we can save ourselves.

originally posted by: Gestas
PDF summary in two words:
Electron Flow

You're talking about:

Electrogravitics and Electrokinetics

(“Progress in Electrogravitics and Electrokinetics for Aviation and Space Travel” by Thomas F. Valone)

You're sure? It's that simple?

Theories are just theories, This thread is about verifying.
If you have technical capabilities or scientific access please use it in this thread try to suspend your disbelief of technological advancement.

That would not be me but I will be very interested in reading the responses!

within spacetime = / = outside spacetime.

What do you mean?

Nasa itself I would call an unreliable source to link with evidence in this thread I just linked that to show the concept for people that are uncomprehending.

Yes, my understanding is that NASA is just for public consumption and the real space program is secret.

I think it’s good to analyze that NASA article, though, to get started with what the “official story” is vs. what really is possible.

I am suggesting an effort to maximize peer review so we the people do not have to wait for the establishment to save us all.

Peer review is associated with the gatekeeper in mainstream science which often censors cutting edge ideas.

But you mean peer review as in open source project?

originally posted by: Gestas
Warp 9 Mr Sulu.

Your link is to a YouTube video:


The Description:

Published on Jul 20, 2013

The physics of spacetime described by Einstein's Theory of General Relativity allows spacetime to become warped due to the relationship between matter/energy density and the gravitational field described by the Einstein Field Equations. Matter and Energy found in the large scale structure of the universe creates a positive torsion in spacetime, causing the warping of spacetime which is associated with the strength of the gravitational force.

In quantum mechanics, zero point energy fluctuations can create negative energy density which should theoretically, in a large enough density, create a negative torsion on spacetime in general relativity.

The consequences of these theories, when combined, could change our common sense notions of motion and provide a way to challenge the cosmic speed limit, the speed of light.

In 1994, Miguel Alcubierre developed a geodesic equation to describe space-time warped in a bubble around a ship, creating a "warp drive".

The warp drive proposed by Alcubierre could achieve near light speeds and even faster-than-light speeds by distorting space-time. To accomplish this, a theoretical device would generate a field of negative energy that would squeeze or stretch space-time, creating the bubble. The bubble would ride the distortions like a surfer on a wave.

As evidenced by the uniformity of the Cosmic Microwave Background from the Big Bang, which is explained by inflationary cosmology, space-time can expand so quickly that objects can move faster than the speed of light.
Therefore the current models of physics generally allow for the existence of a warp field that can accelerate objects faster than the speed of light.

The real questions to ask is whether or not such a warp field can exist on macroscopic scales and if so can it remain stable for long enough to observe its effects, on light in a laser interferometer for example.

Moreover it is unknown how it is technologically possible, i.e under what conditions does matter allow for the creation of a negative energy density?

In 1948, Theoretical Physicists Hendrik Casimir and Dirk Polder proposed that a negative presssure can exist due to quantum vacuum fluctuations operating on very small scales in space and time and that if two uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, placed a few micrometers apart the quantum fluctuations should create a force between the 2 plates due to a differential vacuum energy density between the inside and outside of the plates.

In a classical description, the lack of an external field automatically means that there is no field between the plates, and no force would be measured between them. However when the zero-point field is instead studied using the QED vacuum of quantum electrodynamics, it is seen that the plates do affect the virtual photons which constitute the field, and generate a net force.

The force can give either an attraction or a repulsion depending on the specific arrangement of the two plates.

Although the Casimir effect can be expressed in terms of virtual particles interacting with the objects, it is best described and more easily calculated in terms of the zero-point energy of a quantized field in the intervening space between the objects.

It was not until 1997, however, that a direct experiment, by Steve Lamoreaux, described above, quantitatively measured the force (to within 15% of the value predicted by the theory)

Previous work in the 1970's had observed the force qualitatively, and indirect validation of the predicted Casimir energy had been made by measuring the thickness of liquid helium films by Sabisky and Anderson in 1972. Subsequent experiments with liquid Helium-3 approach an accuracy of a few percent.

Using Bose-Einstein Condensates it may also be possible to suppress background effects occurring between individual molecules, such as the Van Der Waals Forces, which will help to quantify the necessary boundary conditions in the second quantisation calculations of Quantum Electrodynamics. This would allow the effect of the vacuum to become dominant in the medium and allow for a more direct observation of negative energy density affecting it.

This could also allow for further studies in solid state physics on how the Casimir effect could be controlled at the nanoscale and what physics and applications can be gained from it.

Some of this research, although abstract, may help us to understand how electronic transitions occur at the smallest of scales and how to suppress noise, such as that caused by the Casimir effect, in nanoscale circuitry, such as in the emergent fields of quantum circuitry.

Therefore by probing some deep questions of physics, and examining theories such as "Warp Drives" we may uncover a great deal of knowledge and gain proposals for some interesting experiments, perhaps even stumbling upon the foundations of warp drive itself along the way.

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so now we just need to work out a few more things then we can start building.

a reply to: Mary Rose


Yes open source I meant peer review asin actual friends going hey that doesn't look right,

not some kind of machinated~legalesed peer reviewed open source but secretly closed source.

For our Survival!!!!

Because the voices told me to