Another Abbott first ;Abbott/LNP quick to Finger Pointing without Complete Evidence on MH17

Earlier on Friday, Prime Minister Tony Abbott said it appeared Russian-backed rebels were responsible for shooting down the commercial flight over eastern Ukraine and was strongly critical of "the bullying of small countries by big ones".

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Mr Abbott refused to discuss the possibility of Russia and Mr Putin being banned from attending the G20 summit later this year while the circumstances that led to the tragedy are confirmed.
''The G20 is an economic gathering,'' he said.


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So quick to judge ay tony or did hillary obama or cameron tell you what to say "'Evidence please jug ears" infact so sure is he that and fellow travellers both in oppositions and msm they all completely pointing their fingers at Russia before any bipartisan or UN investiagtion has even begun do these plutocrats have nuclear winter death wish for us all or what!

"Let me conclude with this: The bullying of small countries by big ones, the trampling of justice and decency in the pursue of national aggrandisement and reckless indifference to human life should have no place in our world."

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Who might that be HINT!

The National Security Committee, made up of Mr Abbott, Warren Truss, Ms Bishop, Joe Hockey, George Brandis, David Johnston and Scott Morrison, met in Canberra on Friday morning to discuss the incident.

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Looks serious could this be war! I think tony wants to put strike Fighters to test!


And now this;

Really Mr Abbott having another one of your ex pugilist punch drunk days Again!

a reply to: 74joff

S&F'd, it's a true circus down here.. most of 'em seem to be fabian socialists

this whole thing smacks of 911
where within 30 minutes they were all talking about osama
and soon after were all invading iraq..
..so watch out, tasmania!
..if i had $1 for every time i typed this i'd have $2 now

..i can't keep a straight face when i see/hear these guys, joe hockey especially
can you imagine the crapfest that's going to happen on 2GB talkback tonight? those rabid pensioners can get nasty when there's blood in the water

Wow
Thats amazing
Three hundred dead, serious questions and we have to deal with political muck raking.

This thread is in really poor taste, granted the Liberal party has its global agenda, but the OP's agenda is as transparent as the Australian governments.

a reply to: borntowatch

Too much balance for you why not stick to comfortable msm territory.
No evidence whatsoever it was the Russian side yet!!

Seen all this before with 9/11 & Iraq sorry dont believe the Bull#!

a reply to: 74joff

..see how "not believing the bull#" equates to "having a political agenda" these days?

seems like we're almost ready to be harvested for our juicy gelfling essence..

It would be good if this was a first, but it ain't. There was a lot more gun jumping going on when the chemical attacks in Syria where in the news. I guess we are so far down the 9/11 wrongful finger pointing that we just don't know how to turn it all around.

a reply to: kwakakev

..maybe another carbon tax will save us?
too bad larry pickering isn't drawing comics anymore, he woulda been all over this stuff in the old days

a reply to: borntowatch

Wow Thats amazing Three hundred dead, serious questions and we have to deal with political muck raking.

Your emotional blackmail, is charming but there was a war they got caught in the cross fire, maybe the west should not have been stoking the flames in the conflict like they are still doing by breast beating over this. I am sure most can handle hundred or so lives in comparison to billions or the nuked death of the whole planet if they piss off a super power with nuclear weapons.

What did i Say here matey

fellow travellers both in[ oppositions and msm

Seems you are the only one that thinks this is really one side of politics so far! Your alternative status is thus revoked now go watch the "'Project"or Sky news like good feel good trendy.

I watched news medias for about an hour this morning. Ukraine said that they assure they had nothing to do with it right off the bat. American news medias are painting Russia in a bad light, even talking about banning all flights from Russia. It's like they were all reading from the same script. It's known that the Australian gov has been infiltrated just like the many other ones.

originally posted by: UNIT76
a reply to: 74joff

S&F'd, it's a true circus down here.. most of 'em seem to be fabian socialists

this whole thing smacks of 911
where within 30 minutes they were all talking about osama
and soon after were all invading iraq..
..so watch out, tasmania!
..if i had $1 for every time i typed this i'd have $2 now

 

..i can't keep a straight face when i see/hear these guys, joe hockey especially
can you imagine the crapfest that's going to happen on 2GB talkback tonight? those rabid pensioners can get nasty when there's blood in the water

My thoughts exactly! How much more obvious could it be?

Here is the same thing dressed up as Hillary Clinton:

soulwaxer

originally posted by: 74joff
a reply to: borntowatch

Wow Thats amazing Three hundred dead, serious questions and we have to deal with political muck raking.

Your emotional blackmail, is charming but there was a war they got caught in the cross fire, maybe the west should not have been stoking the flames in the conflict like they are still doing by breast beating over this. I am sure most can handle hundred or so lives in comparison to billions or the nuked death of the whole planet if they piss off a super power with nuclear weapons.

What did i Say here matey

fellow travellers both in[ oppositions and msm

Seems you are the only one that thinks this is really one side of politics so far! Your alternative status is thus revoked now go watch the "'Project"or Sky news like good feel good trendy.

Oh dear me, my alternative status has been revoked, ahhmmm, what do I do now.

Seriously though, 300 people die and you are calling some one jug ears?

I do agree with the fact that Abbot has been a little premature in labelling the Russians at fault, though I think you have been premature in turning this incident in to a political rant.

Nuclear war?
This was a nuclear war when the Russians took control of parts of the European gas supply, as far as I am concerned.

Emotional blackmail, well I dont see it that way. Maybe you should think of the people lost and their familys before starting a thread pushing a political agenda. call it compassion???

Just for your information, I think it was a false flag to justify arming Ukraine with Western weapons, aiding Ukraine to push the Russians out.
Reminds me of the beginning of WW2 for some reason.

and just for your information, I am watching abc24.

What the hell is a passenger jet doing flying over a war zone, thats has to be a set up.
The Russians thought it was a Military jet, how would they know that if somebody hadnt leaked (false) information out, all smells a little fishy to me.

As for your personal attack on me, no thanks, I dont really think your views are accurate or relevant.
It also doesnt make you come across as a reasonable person to others reading your thread.
Maybe try to be polite, that helps a discussion, maybe you could have even explained why you thought your post was necessary.

You have a good night, stock up on anti radiation pills

"the emperor is wearing no clothes"
a reply to: borntowatch

serious questions and we have to deal with political muck raking.

this is Tony "the hatchet-man" Abbott we're talking typing about here..
he earned that name for a reason
..someone had to say it?

a reply to: borntowatch

Oh dear me, my alternative status has been revoked, ahhmmm, what do I do now.

Yes a complete insult to denying ignorance. An agent prov better things to do than be baited by an intel op!

As for your personal attack on me, no thanks, I dont really think your views are accurate or relevant.

Who made it personal in the first place?

It also doesnt make you come across as a reasonable person to others reading your thread.

No one else is bothered by cynicism of consensus msm here but you. That speaks volumes about your motive here. Unlike you i have no problem with standing for the truth and questioning consensus msm
You on the other are just an agent prov. You dont take the iIluminati conspiracies seriously thats why you dont seriously believe in false flags either, here to bait and railroad threads pure and simple!!


Whats worse is to use others death for political and power gains, thats what the anglo/american powers are doing. The crocodile tears from some of them is the real disgust for me, how do we know when they are crocodile tears you may ask? when they use the incident to plot & design further conflicts and sorrows. Many others here can see it you cant that because you probably don't belong here "WHY" are you here? Anwswer; Agent Provocation!

Oh & why would PLA troop be training with ADF at this time when they have a special security pact with Russia??
Such timing!! beat up is all this political condemnation is!




By the way on a personal level I know all about death my grand parents died in my life time i attended both of their funerals, my mother died 5 years ago it goes without saying i was at hers!
My uncle as suffers advanced leukaemia cancer and could die any day such is life we deal with the cards we are dealt. These were unfair, fate/ God has a reason for everything.
Yet because it wasn't an international incident in all of these family deaths no one except for immediate family ofcause gave a toss .
I dont recall the world crying for me or the loss of loved ones especially my mother.
Of cause this is obvious why; that is the only reason these mh17 deaths are everyones so called concern is because its an international incident and worse a false flag at that! One life is not more than another's in my eyes, all lives equally valuable.
So take your rash character assassination else where! stuff you agent prov!!

Let me start by first saying I am sorry for causing you such offence.

Irrespective I did and still think this thread was untimely and disrespectful.

Tying an aircrash and the loss of so many lives in with an attack on a politician (who rightly deserved the accusations) just seemed wrong, so soon after the incident.

I dont disagree with anything you stated in the op, just the name calling and timing.

I guess I am sick of these incidents turning in to political footballs way before we come to terms with the tragedy.

Its interesting you bring the loss of your family and your concerns with the lack of support you felt. I understand that and agree, it is an issue with so many people these days. We are more focused on our own agendas than others feelings of tragedy's. Hence my post,I just think we should step back and allow some time to show respect for those who have lost family friends before starting to analyse the incident. I also understand the outrage and reason for your post, maybe I should have toned down my reply, hence my apology

For mine, as I stated before, yes it is a false flag, justification to send in troops, possibly also a cover up for the Palestinian incursion, a step towards a war between Russia and the West (considering Russia and China have a seemingly close relationship this is concerning), who knows? A reason to stop Russia attending the G20 (not that I understand what that means to Russia and the world)

What has Abbott done, whats his motivation, why has he condemned anyone with out any evidence.
I have no idea, it was rash and ridiculous and the Australian people should be outraged.

As I said I think your thread is relevant, I just thought it was untimely.

Cheers

I think this issue in this thread and others like it on ats demonstrate how some here on ats are merely trolling for provocation. They have no real interest in finding the truth or uncovering secrets or wrongs or supporting whistleblowers in which ats is suppose to encourage make such posters feel comfortable.
I guess this is what happens on an open forum. For me posting here is NOT conspirotainment.
I am dead serious about what i believe. I dont post here for the stupid topics only to comment on the important current affairs issues & geo political issues and my take on them.
It also demonstrates that when the # really hits the fan over a controversial issue the status quo provocateur trolls come out of the woodwork to shoot the messenger & discourage alternative thought or discussion the only antidote there is in this situation to calming a tense atmosphere of blame and witch hunting not just the against nationality responsible but any that share its views. So in the spirit of one of the only Australians i respect Assange let the search and expose for the truth of the big picture issues continue undeterred I say.

Now first of all this has happened several times in recent history this crime of shooting down civilian air lines;
Is the anglo /US sphere any less innocent of this kind of crime i think NOT; those iranian lives mattered just as much as to their loved ones as any Australian or western lives in this case. Yet we have this beat with the latest mh17 as though every common average joe is suppose to have short memory(which many do but still) & thus base every thing off the latest international incident. I for one do not forget things that happen in my life time i have always been interested in current affairs and question the mainstream consensus thus if can't recall an event i will find in the ether of the net. Any way my point is it's not hard but the sheeple are lazy those in the Globalists pyramid are wise as serpents when they plot and use their false flag games of divide & conquer by deception;

Where the World Sees Tragedy, NATO Sees a “Game Changing” Opportunity

Power’s comments and conclusions were echoes from the halls of the West’s corporate-financier funded policy think-tanks. The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) in a statement titled, “The Downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17: Russia in the Dock,” provides a self-incriminating indictment as to the motives Kiev and its NATO backers had in carrying out the attack on MH17 and subsequently framing Russia for it. RUSI’s statement claims (emphasis added):

A Game Change: Within days, however, the real debate will shift from one about producing the right evidence and culprits, to more about what can be saved from the rapidly-deteriorating relations between Russia and the West.

The tragedy will stain Russia’s relations with the world for years to come. Nations determined to keep on good terms with Russia – such as China or Vietnam which relies on Russian weapon supplies and wishes these to continue – will keep quiet. And there will always be some plausible deniability, giving other countries enough room for manoeuvre to avoid accusing Russia directly for this disaster. But the culprits for the crime will be pursued by international investigators and tribunals. And many Russian officials will be added to the ‘wanted’ lists of police forces around the world. The story will linger, and won’t be pretty for Russian diplomats.

Given the fact that the majority of the victims are European citizens, it is also getting increasingly difficult to see how France would be able to deliver the Mistral ships which Russia ordered for its navy, or how Britain could continue shielding Russia from financial sanctions. And, given the fact that scores of US citizens were also killed on the MH17 flightmeans that the US Congress will demand greater sanctions on Russia, making any improvement in relations with Washington highly unlikely.

RUSI explains in great detail the possible motivation Kiev and NATO had to shoot down MH17 and subsequently frame Russia. An international flight, with passengers from across the globe would invoke unifying outrage against Russia as well as universal support for NATO’s so far unsuccessful attempts to isolate Moscow. RUSI itself admits that individual members of the EU have until now, been reluctant to back sanctions and further confrontation with Moscow.

NATO’s Atlantic Council claimed in a statement titled, “In the Ukraine War, Putin’s Veil of Deniability Has Vanished,” claims:

The Kremlin’s thin veil concealing its waging of war against Ukraine effectively disappeared weeks ago for anyone carefully watching the evidence. But now it has vanished even for the casual observer. Moscow’s escalation of the war since the start of July has created too much clear evidence to permit President Vladimir Putin any further benefit of the doubt.

NATO needed a “game changer,” because it was playing a game it was clearly losing. The dubious circumstances surrounding the downing of MH17 – occurring just as Kiev’s forces were deteriorating across the country and additional US sanctions against Russia fell flat – is more than a mere coincidence. RUSI and the Atlantic Council’s statement represent an increasingly desperate and shrinking corner the West finds itself in. With the ascension of Russia along with other BRICS nations, a “game changer” was desperately needed to “stain Russia’s relations with the world for years to come,” and help arrest what appeared to be the irreversible rise of the global East and South, in tandem with the irreversible decline of the West.

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or if your the not the reading type;




Question everything folks as most of you already are, in this thread minus one!

Tony Abbott slams evidence tampering at MH17 crash site

Speaking to reporters in Canberra on Tuesday, Mr Abbott pointed to an apparent ceasefire between Russian-backed rebels and government forces, but did not rule out Australia sending in defence or federal police to the site. "A multinational police force or a multinational force of some kind is not something that can be just summoned up in a matter of a few hours,'' he said.

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This false flag is only getting stranger by the day to my eyes.Is Abbott losing his marbles does he realise this will never be accepted by the Russian side.
If I am wrong please someone remind me to eat these words however not a hope in hell that will fly tony.
Why does think for moment the Russian side will even let any ADF troops even land for start. I suspect this would be like a red rag to the Russian bear they this will not only insult them, it will most likely get us involved in a war there.
I mean if the Russian side don't let nato troops or US troops in Ukraine then Abbotts plan stands about as much chance as a gay mardi gras down red square, still born fantasy.
Its clear to me Abbott think this is his chance to strut the world stage peacock style thinking. Abbott seems to have forgotten Australia is no world power you twat why not pull your jug ears in before you make greater tool of yourself.
So mr Abbott how are you going to throw your weight around when you have Australia so dependent on China, Russia,s biggest military Allie.

One week on from tragedy and still zero evidence from the western side & Abbott is still looking foolish; hear for yourself from the other side of the coin. btw all the allegations in the world by western leaders or msn spin machine does not represent evidence.