Group Representing Half A Billion Christians Says It Will No Longer Support Fossil Fuels

a reply to: Annee
Thanks, Annee!
I'll check it out later....
did click it, and it looks interesting - right now I have to go out and get some fresh air.

I'll be back later, folks!

a reply to: BO XIAN

8. There are reportedly 3-4 DIFFERENT "zero-point" energy technologies which the globalists are withholding from public knowledge and wide use in order to help cause various depopulation contributions. They have been convinced that to release them without reducing the population to 200-500 million would quickly result in a global population of 25 BILLION.

People will keep reproducing so I have to agree we need to do something about it. We have lightning strikes all over the planet that could be captured/created/controlled for power. We have the sun..it is always up there.

but then too they are still making a lot of money from oil and gas and that comes first.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I don't think there's any suppression of R & D. Who is being suppressed with their technology, where, and by whom?

There are many scientists and engineers who work with solar panels, all around the world. There is a fall in price of solar panels all the time due to manufacturing and technological advances.

It's happening, but is it quick enough to make a smooth transition? I think that depends on who is asking that question. It's getting fairly cheap to produce panels in China. Some countries are better positioned to install solar panels, due to geography, and their prices of conventional energy sources. It seems Italy and Germany have reached grid parity, for instance.

Goldman analysts come up with a date of 2033 to reach grid parity in the US. I've seen reports that say we're a failed state by 2030 due to energy constraints. Yea, that doesn't seem to jive with the news that we're now the number one producer of "oil", but one must realize, for starters, that the recent surge is for unconventional sources of oil which will peak out and decline just as fast as it surged.

Goldman Predicts Grid Parity in the US in 2033

a reply to: BO XIAN

12. However, for those who have trashed Almighty God in their lives, their worship of Mother Nature as a substitute god knows no bounds. Their rants and tree hugging will likely also know few limits.

Curious statement, I don't understand it at all. it is all one, loving and obeying the creator, loving nature, hugging trees, caring about the planet.

Revelation 11:18

And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

a reply to: Char-Lee

Yes, they make a lot of money and certainly !!!CONTROL!!! schemes via oil and gas.

But money is like Monopoly money to them now. They want MOSTLY POWER. Their greed for power is greater than their greed for money.

They COULD transition relatively smoothly and create many new jobs with the new technologies--particularly during a transition. But they do not WANT to.

a reply to: BO XIAN

The prophecy has come true that folks forsake the worship of Creator God to worship the creation.

Judging who feels love/vs worship seem to be what you are trying to do. God loved his creation and we are supposed to love it to, when others are harming it, it should spark your anger and protectiveness.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

People in deserts do NOT need "green lawns."
My yard is a mixture of grass (from before I moved in) and clover, violets, moss, vinca, Creeping Charlie, and other ground covers. I keep my mowing to a minimum, and work WITH my property to maximize natural processes. I don't use pesticides or weed-killers. I cooperate with my ecosystem.

I certainly agree! My daughter in-law in Tx loves ferns and tropical things, I tried to convince there is a whole slew of beautiful flowering desert plants that would make a lovely low water garden....but no she had to have so they pay $350 a month for water and waste.

People should use native plants as the basis for their garden and they will take little care. Lawns are silly in some places and there are so many wonderful alternatives!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

growing populations. There are enough food and land resources to shelter and feed every person on this planet.

Growing you say...you realize that means MORE and MORE and MORE...so water and all the rest has to reach an unsustainable limit at some point.

...and in the 21st century humanity accepted alternative energies;
and the lord saw that it was good

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: crazyewok

What? If I had solar panels, or a wind turbine, I could still be typing this.

Do you?

what about the CO2 released in the manufacture of all those conveniences you use? eh?

Do you turn then off at night when there no sun and no wind?

What about the surplus energy needed when the wind and sun dont quite give enough?

What about the greenhouse gases emitted in your farts


I say quite worrying about your personal greenhouse .
Dont see why I should make sacrifices when the billion airs that travel on private planes and big industry that dump all there pollutants are the ones that actually case the damage!

Let THEM the worse culprits take the first steps.

a reply to: manna2

Climate change.....wow....i am stunned people fall for this....

Me too :-)

Especially when there's way more credible stuff around for us to believe:

She is adhering to a top down UN policy that is hypocritical to the core. Agenda 21 is at work here.

I guess time will tell

Unseasonably cool temps hereabouts for July - and now we have to fight about whether or not meteorologists are allowed to call it a polar vortex...

Good times :-)

Edit to add - or ask rather - do you think everything is a conspiracy? Agenda 21 seems to be pretty in-your-face. What could all these people - all over the world - scientists, politicians, environmentalists - citizens - be up to do you think?

I miss common sense

a reply to: crazyewok

Do you turn then off at night when there no sun and no wind?

You know we really should. We live all out of whack due to people wanting us to work hours and make them money. Humans should be on sun timmers, sleep at night wake at dawn. Maybe then we would not be compelled to sit in front of Tv for hours and power would be needed way less.

When seen that the big banks are controlled by oligarch families, the same families that funded the bolsheviks, we can see they plan on using the same methods seen in agenda 21 to depopulate vast regions in order to eventually rape all its resources. In agenda 21 we see top down management infiltrating all local, state and federal government in passing laws that in the end will regulate your every move, every purchase, what you can and cannot grow, what animals you can have, who can breed, if you can produce and sell a product, if you can baby sit, etc...

they have refined their plans as well as broadened its scope in 100 years. It was Kohn and Loeb, wall street bankers that funded the bolsheviks. Almost 70m russians were slaughtered and starved to death using the same ideals going in as we see in Agenda 21.
the parallels with ukraine then and the USA now is uncanny. They were Christian once, and they were the breadbasket to russia. The USA was once Christian, and was once the breadbasket to the world. Its said as many as 20 million Ukranians died from starvation because their crops were seized from the farmers. These crops were sold at high prices to the USA at that time, filling the pockets of the oligarch banking familieis.

With the serious decline in our own food production how many do you suppose will die due to starvation and malnutrition if say, the world shifts away from the usd as a default trade currency. And as a result, we have the usd devalued to 40-60%. That means overnight all imports will rise 40-60%. We are importing most of our food. Most people would not be able to eat real food. It is allready happening. Real food, veggies, fruits, meats and dairy are above 25-60% inflation. But the reports say something like 5%. Its because more and more food additives are being allowed so processed foods are less expensive. Real food prices are skyrocketing and if you want quality you pay for it.

the poor canot do it and will get sick and die. They dont want you to be able to grow your own food, provide your own heat, nothing. You have to be in the grid, period. They will get to choose who gets to live and die. And from what we saw these families do in the ukrain a century ago, they especially have a hatred fro Christians. a reply to: Spiramirabilis

originally posted by: one4all
This is called a strategic withdrawel,the reality is that Oil is made of PEOPLE,BILLIONS OF THEM ....AND....Plants and Animals,furthermore Oil is NOT millions of years old it is only thousands of years old.

These are hard ,cold,undeniable FACTS,which Academia and Science and Religon and Governments and Industry and many others have co-operatively attempted to SUPRESS GLOBALLY.

You bet your bluebells that using Oil is unethical.It is also cannabalism....

Wait...what the hell are you talking about? Care to enlighten me on that "oil is made of people"?

Posts like this make me wonder about the human mind and its ability to seperate fact from fiction...

LOL, and LOL again
I hope all the "supporters" have an alternate energy source at their homes and office
and a way to work, their own neighborhood grocery store which doesnt require any standard logistics to get that food to the store..Hmm sounds like Amish living is the way for them from now on...

a reply to: manna2
oh my...

Well - I did ask

:-)

a reply to: Char-Lee

It has been demonstrated that we have the technology and resources to make the deserts bloom; desalinate unlimited fresh water; feed everyone on the planet a healthy diet; provide relatively luxurious living spaces . . . for several times the current global population.

BTW,

WWW.ARCOSANTI.ORG...

Is worth checking out in terms of housing folks well in relatively small footprint spaces.

The oligarchy has been persuaded by the fallen angel critters that we will destroy humanity and the planet if we avoid forcing the population down to 200-500 million in Draconian ways. And the oligarchy has been busy selling that to the populace for decades.

They don't WANT such a large population. They are aware that sooner or later,

such a large population would threaten their rule.

Besides, the dark lord DEMANDS bloodshed, mayhem, cruelty etc. . . . it's his favorite way of getting back at God for getting kicked out of Heaven for his pride.

So . . . doing things as we have always done them could be a problem for mankind and the environment. IT'S JUST THAT WE FAR FROM NEED TO GO ON DOING THAT.

And THAT involves the WILLs and goals at the top of the social--particularly the political and economic food chain.

a reply to: Char-Lee

The information I am talking to is based on the release of carbon in the atmosphere, not the effect of the smoke on humans. Some people cannot tolerate smoke well, it is an adjuvant that makes any other allergens or metabolic intolerances bother you more. If you are in some smoke, such as pine or cedar or tamarack, the smoke is hard on the lungs also. But Maple is pretty neutral. Poplar smoke can contain particles that have high levels of silica in them. Same with Birch.

What I am referring to is Eco-friendly......as the wood rots in the woods, it gives off the same amount of carbon as when it is burnt. Now, if you are cutting down a lot of trees to burn that are healthy, that is a different story. Trees tie up carbon. But if you are burning leftover tops from a logging operation or the wood from someone cleaning a lot to build a house, that is a different story. The trees have another reason for being cut, not for your woodstove. I don't have enough trees on my property to last long if I were to cut and burn them. There are natural clearings here. It was logged a long time ago also so the trees are mostly less than a hundred and twenty years old, and small because they grow slow on top of this hill. So I only knock down dead trees here and try to buy from people who are getting their wood from activities that occur for other reasons. I would feel guilty buying a logging truck load of logs because the trees would have been killed for me. That is not Eco-friendly at all.

originally posted by: ChaosComplex

originally posted by: one4all
This is called a strategic withdrawel,the reality is that Oil is made of PEOPLE,BILLIONS OF THEM ....AND....Plants and Animals,furthermore Oil is NOT millions of years old it is only thousands of years old.

These are hard ,cold,undeniable FACTS,which Academia and Science and Religon and Governments and Industry and many others have co-operatively attempted to SUPRESS GLOBALLY.

You bet your bluebells that using Oil is unethical.It is also cannabalism....

Wait...what the hell are you talking about? Care to enlighten me on that "oil is made of people"?

Posts like this make me wonder about the human mind and its ability to seperate fact from fiction...

You have already been enlightened,now its up to you to prove your former perspective to be the MOST CORRECT ONE.

The Human minds ability to seperate fact from fiction is only as powerfull as the data it considers is true and accurate.

Common sense does not fit the story you have been taught about Oil.

Pour some crude oil onto your driveway and leave it there,go check it out in a few days or weeks or months,and note what happens to it,then explain to yourself how that process worked.Observe how long it stays in its liquid form,the rest is simple extrapolation.


There is no secret,just an immovable mental barrier people have been afflicted with.

You are assuming in the face of overwhelming contrary physical evidence that Humanity was not numbering in the billions when Oil we use was created.

What do you think would happen to the Canadian Oilsands if they were covered with a few hundred feet of overburden?

While at the same time more Oil rudimentary materials were being laid down in that overburden?

Might we in the future discover layers of oil within overburden that has turned to stone....AND Oil on the surface which is being formed in its earliest stages.

As we find today.

I have hands on experience in every level of the oilfield research,discovery,and recovery processes,from the literal bottom up.

20 years covering all facets of these processes.

I learned this from people i talked to over many years,people with the Academic record that should stop them from making these claims,but they STILL see the reality over and above their teachings.

I was told on multiple occasions by some very legitimate and deeply experienced and unrelated Petroleum Industry people that the only things based on truth to do with Oil were the recovery methods because those made money,bottom line.

I spent many an hour with Petroleum Engineers and Geologists,many many an hour.

Then I found the internet like the rest of us did,and the fun began.

Our entire realitys are being re-written at light speed,many of us do not have the time or opportunity to action continous learning of the degree required to keep abreast of the ever changing data base Humanity now shares for the first time in modern history.

If we wear or skepticals we will not see the forest for the trees.We need to put old methods of learning aside,we need to work harder to accept new ideas which undermine and overwhelm our old ones,not for tiny little steps of change,we are at a point in Humanitys history where the steps are getting massive and we need to keep up with the times.

If you really want to learn then you do not need me,just make my claims represent the Status Quo ,and YOU prove THEM wrong,instead of the other way around.Lets assume for the discussion that MY perspective is supported by overwhelming Academic support and data,and you show me how and why I am wrong.It SHOULD be easy.


This is not exactly groundbreaking news,these are obvious things any 10 year old kid can figure out,as long as they havent been brainwashed by the Status Quo.

In fact a 10 year old asked me this question,If the Dinosaurs died and made Oil then why are their bones the only thing that is stuck in rocks,did they get squeezed like lemons?

Here is another one from a kid, if Oil is made from dead Dinosaurs and plants that were all over the Earth,then how come it is only in Pools and deposits and resevoirs,and not all over the place?,did it all get sucked into big holes in the ground?

You see the entire sideshow we have been taught is a complete sham and any room full of kids can show us all how and why.

Group Representing Half A Billion Christians Says It Will No Longer Support Fossil Fuels

Is that some kind of a joke ?

Really ?

I don't see them giving up their cars, or any the 'modern conveniences' since FOSSIL FUEL is king of the world for a reason.

And pretty much EVERYTHING is still made by fossil fuels, and delivered by them.

There is NO other means that delevers the same bang for the buck.

Guess they are going to start starving themselves too since farmers still use fossil fuels to plant and harvest their 'ill' gotten gains.

LOL WOW.