Eduard "Billy" Meier's 8mm film UFO footage - real or faked? Seriously!

Not meaning to open old wounds but those wounds may never heal. You probably wondered why I was reviving a subject that for all intents and purspose is a done deal. I would agree with you except that since the early 1980s Meier has never left my consciousness.

The Setup (trust me it'll get better):
Since I had been into UFOs from 1958 anything new immediately caught my eyes and in the early 1980s, aside from my becoming a lunar anomaly "specialist", my interest in UFOs was renewed by the release of a coffee-table book with large, colorful, and sharp closeup images of UFOs. The first book was "UFO... Contact from the Pleiades, Volume 1" from Wendelle Stevens and Lee Elders (Genesis III Pub.) followed by Volume 2. I acquired them and constantly pored over the photos being overwhelmed. Since I was at that time working temporarily at NBC in Burbank, CA., I brought the book to Pat Sajak (Wheel Of Fortune) who at the time was a weatherman and I thought he would find the book's contents interesting enough to mention and show a few photos. He only humored me with a friendly smile that told me he wasn't going to bother.) We were all left wondering about Meier and whether the UFOs in his photos were real. They looked sooo good!

Then in the 1990s a few things happened - the Internet arrived and so did WebTV and I bought a copy of BEAMSHIP "THE MOVIE FOOTAGE" - UFO heaven! I joined all of the UFO forums and "Billy" Meier was almost the main topic on all of them and the arrival of investigative research into UFO hoaxes. Meier was soon denounced and the proof was in his hoaxed photos which were nicely trounced by Kal K. Korff in his book "Spaceships of the Pleiades, 1995". However, only his photos were explained and I kept waiting for a similar treatment of his film footage but no one took it on and my insistent requests were ignored.

I see some attempts but in my opinion they fall short of the mark although a couple of websites offer a decent treatment. As one website points out a fair expose is not possible until Meier allows his film footage to be given a high definition treatment. And the DVDs that are available have the VHS video as the source material which will not produce the superior results achieved with the Zapruder film of the JFK assassination. Each of that film's frames was reproduced as a 4"x5" still and the resulting quality was high for an 8mm film. The Meier film could benefit from equal treatment.

What I cannot do is show you the film because the quality would not allow for a critical look-see and there are many videos on YouTube in various quality settings but they're still not as good as even my copy of the VHS tape.

So, let's cut to the chase.
1. The Beamship swinging back 'n' forth and around that tall "pine" tree. Critics agree that Meier must be holding a pole with a model attached to a string:
My differing opinion: The scene really starts out in a wide shot, not the closeup that's usually presented. The wide shot establishes that
the tree is indeed a tall one in the distance. Meier would need a super crane to suspend a super large model over that tree. Moving the
craft like a pendulum would require more energy that can be applied by any of us and, of course, either slowing it or making it come to a
stop would be nearly impossible to achieve. Then there is the top of the tree being shown blowing when the craft zooms close to it. I
could continue but go ahead and watch the video and try to explain what's going on and if you think a pole is really used. Or any of the
scenes where a pole is claimed to have been used

2. The Beamship dematerializing and materializing:
We see the Beamship hovering and dipping up and down gently as if riding invisible waves (the first UFO I saw through binoculars
behaved the same way!). Then it disappears and a few moments later it appears. Critics say the film is edited by pausing or stopping
the camera, removing the Beamship and continuing to shoot empty space. Then the camera is paused or stopped and the Beamship
suspended again.
My differing opinion: None. But if you have a good, clear (albeit VHS or DVD from the VHS video) copy, notice that before the Beamship
dematerializes there is a ground effect where the area below the Beamship darlems. Before the Beamship materializes there is the
same ground effect. How and why if the footage is fake did Meier incorporate the ground effect?

3. The Beamship is seen at the top of the frame, dematerializes and appears at the bottom just over a hill. It starts to slowly rise. There
is a question as to whether the Beamship materialized behind or in front of the hill. A high definition analysis might provide the
answer. In the VHS video it looks to me as if the Beamship materialized over the hill.
My differing opinion. I played the tape a million times in slow motion and frame-by-frame and no one mentions what one really sees.
When the Beamship materializes above the hill it doesn't do so all at once. It actually materializes slowly!

Those are the only 3 circumstances I'll mention although there are more. But the above 3 are the more interesting ones. I hope that before you get involved in this thread that you try to find the best copy of the footage to concentrate on the above. Frankly, I don't know of any website that has as good a copy as the original VHS video. I don't know if Meier will ever be convinced to allow his film(s) to be given the same treatment the Zapruder was given but boy I'd love to donate to such a project.

What do you think? Try to stick in your replies to what I've written and don't rehash the still photos I'm too aware of some of the evidential evidence. Support your opinion with evidence, not just words.

Thank you Uggielicious, I have always had similar thoughts on the film and some of the photo's. I believe that 'Billy' originally had some real contacts but because of his fame the intelligence communities infiltrated his followers and set him up! Today people are far too quick too shout fake without examining all the evidence, yes there are some fakes but because some pictures were fakes or some of his revelations set up by intelligence operatives, it does not mean that all were faked! People see one fake and dismiss the whole case which, in my opinion, is very silly from an investigative point of view, all the evidence needs to be examined.

Top researchers like the late Wendelle Stevens, Timothy Good and Paola Harris believe that Eduard 'Billy' Meier not only had UFO experiences, but also the contacts that he claimed. Some of those contacts were planted and were to compromise him, which worked, offering the opportunity to ridicule.

People see one fake and dismiss the whole case which, in my opinion,

a reply to: Hongkongphooey

And with that said...what better way for government disinformation agents to make the public question or dismiss legitimate contacts or sightings! It's a simple and effective method used by government officials, not only in UFO cases, but to justify foreign policy. Even in criminal cases, all of the evidence needs to be analyzed.

originally posted by: Uggielicious
As one website points out a fair expose is not possible until Meier allows his film footage to be given a high definition treatment.

Don't you think that his ongoing refusal after many decades to have his photos and films properly scanned in High Definition is kind of evidence in itself that the whole thing is a load of crap? Or if not exactly evidence, at least strongly suggestive that he doesn't want any (more) strings showing up that would further expose his chicanery?

Above all, however, there is the passage of time. As the years have passed, nothing new has happened to support his claims. Nothing substantial or provable has appeared from other sources to back him up. For something that is supposedly a monumental happening affecting the whole of humanity, the trail has gone curiously cold. Sure, you can find all kinds of reasons (excuses) as to why this is, but the simplest explanation is that it was all just a lot of hot Pleiadian gas that fizzled away.

a reply to: Blue Shift His wife busting him is evidence enough for me,
Fraud.Hoax.Con man... unless someone can logically bridge the gap between " he couldn't have built models of UFOs to film because he has one arm" and "that model I built? I didn't use it to fake anything I just built it for demonstration".

Also the picture he claimed was an alien named Semjase that turned out he faked (it was a picture of a an actress on TV) and the fake pictures of dinosaurs from when he "time traveled" that were pictures out of a book.

a reply to: Uggielicious

I just read my post again and found a serious typo that I could not correct 'cause my editing time period had ended. Here is the OP segment and the error is found in My differing opinion: where I say "Beamship darlems.", it should say "Beamship darkens"

2. The Beamship dematerializing and materializing:
We see the Beamship hovering and dipping up and down gently as if riding invisible waves (the first UFO I saw through binoculars behaved the same way!). Then it disappears and a few moments later it appears. Critics say the film is edited by pausing or stopping the camera, removing the Beamship and continuing to shoot empty space. Then the camera is paused or stopped and the Beamship suspended again.

My differing opinion: None. But if you have a good, clear (albeit VHS or DVD from the VHS video) copy, notice that before the Beamship dematerializes there is a ground effect where the area below the Beamship darlems. Before the Beamship materializes there is the same ground effect. How and why if the footage is fake did Meier incorporate the ground effect?

originally posted by: Uggielicious
Meier would need a super crane to suspend a super large model over that tree.

No, he wouldn't. Why do you think he can't suspend a small model, and just try to make it appear as a large model using the camera angle? How large exactly is the model, and how far is it from the camera?

Now if it was behind the distant tree, then we'd have a limiting factor on distance and size, but being above the tree provides no such limitation.

dude, anyone wanna post some pics or video of the stuff the op's even talking about. Maybe after that people can join in and participate in the thread. But until then we gotta go test the search capacity of our web browsers trying to find these videos and pics? make a good thread and post the material in question.

Plus whats up with billy meiers stupid photos of him and the space chick with the ray gun that can burn softball sized wholes through big trees and looks like a super soaker or something in all the photos.

Some VOICE IN MY HEAD TELLS ME BILLY'S FULL OF CRAP. AND, I BELIEVE THIS VOICE, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I JUST DO.

I ain't convinced by his pics of an iguanadon on venus. Nor his "close ups of the 'UFO' that could be a foil cooking tray" for all we know pic either.

I personally believe Billy had contact.

I believe there were conditions he did not adhere to. And because of that those he had contact with left.

I think he tried to create/manufactured proof.

So I believe his story, but not what he tries to use as proof.

I met Michael Horn once. Now, that guy is strange. He could be an off planet being.

a reply to: Annee

You met michale horn once? Man if you were cool that would have read I met MICHAEL DORN once.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Annee

You met michale horn once? Man if you were cool that would have read I met MICHAEL DORN once.

I would have preferred that

I think Billy's a fake, but not because what he brings to the table is too amazing. Moreso because it's been debunked. They've shown him to be a faker. What if one or two of his photos or videos are real? Well, I'll probably never know. He shouldn't have faked the others. If it causes almost everyone to disbelieve him and even ridicule him then ti's his own fault for faking.

I think Billy's a fake, but not because what he brings to the table is too amazing. Moreso because it's been debunked. They've shown him to be a faker. What if one or two of his photos or videos are real? Well, I'll probably never know. He shouldn't have faked the others. If it causes almost everyone to disbelieve him and even ridicule him then ti's his own fault for faking. Besides, if the beamship aliens really want to communicate with earthlings, they're going about it the wrong way. Their problem.

a reply to: jonnywhite

There's little doubt left that he's a fraud.

Every piece of evidence that he's put forth has been disproved.

This BUNK again? Billeye Meier, really?

Have at it ATS... again...

sigh.

Here's a little thing I cooked up a while back after playing around with some Meier photos. Not only is he apparently able to take photos of alien saucers, but also trees that can magically transport themselves from one completely different location to another. And it's not a matter of a change in camera angle. The tree barely changes at all. Yet the background goes from foothills and farmland to a lake.


Not the same tree, you say? Well, I'll admit that the trunk magically changes size.

You would think he could at least try to rotate the tree so it didn't line up almost perfectly with the previous shot. Look at that top part, in particular. But it's hard to get all the details right.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Uggielicious
Meier would need a super crane to suspend a super large model over that tree.

No, he wouldn't. Why do you think he can't suspend a small model, and just try to make it appear as a large model using the camera angle? How large exactly is the model, and how far is it from the camera?

Now if it was behind the distant tree, then we'd have a limiting factor on distance and size, but being above the tree provides no such limitation.

Since you cannot deduce how I think generally based just on my words in the OP, I can assure you that I have given much thought to the same questions you ask and I don't have an answer. I look at the footage and I cannot see a model being suspended from where Meier would be standing which would be near the camera. There is an apparent "illusion" of distance between the camera and the tree. The lens on the camera is not zoomed in but I don't know its wideangle capabilities but since the sides of the frame do not exhibit extreme wideangle I trust that I see normal distance.

If it was a model and the tree is really distant, the model would not have the same sharpness as the tree. If someone were to do computer magic and see if the pixels for the model had the same density as the tree then that rules out a model. Or exposing the string with proper computer enhancement.

Also, I didn't remind the reading audience here that Meier is a one-armed-man and he might not have been able to swing a pole as smoothly as a two-armed-man because of the steadiness that two arms provide. If he had an assistant(s) your questions have more chance to be accurate.

Have you, or anyone reading this reply, ever attached a fair-sized UFO model of a certain weight to a string and tried swinging in in the same manner as shown in the Meier footage and attempt to slow down and stop the model from continuing to oscillate? You must admit that for a model on a string hung from a pole the pendulum movement control is pretty smooth.

I do not know how large the would-be model is or how far it is from the camera. Do you or anyone here know of a computer genius that could show if the model is behind the tree?

a reply to: Uggielicious

Funny, I watched a few shows on the Meier story today. Have you heard of George Green? he originally funded the book and was screwed out of his original investment $, but knew the Meier case to have validity, so decided to go to Switzerland to visit Billy(he had been privy to previously witnessing a similar craft to the one that Meier shows in his film, which is the sport model that is similar to Bob Lazar's claims as well). Meeting Billy changed George's life. He claims to have met a pleiadian female, whom Billy had numerous contacts with. The beamship you talked about is also shown in the video below, he says it never able to fully materialize. Also, was shown a laser gun and shows pictures of the gun in this video, as well as pictures of the pleiadian(very sexy i might add).

Here is the George Green interview as well.


George Green also claimed that the world could be extinct by 2012 and has also said he ran around with some of the corrupt elites that plan to depopulate the earth. So I am forced to look at the Billy Meier case as possibly a hoax. I don't claim to know anything for sure, I just am a sucker for a good story fact or fiction.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
dude, anyone wanna post some pics or video of the stuff the op's even talking about. Maybe after that people can join in and participate in the thread. But until then we gotta go test the search capacity of our web browsers trying to find these videos and pics? make a good thread and post the material in question.

Plus whats up with billy meiers stupid photos of him and the space chick with the ray gun that can burn softball sized wholes through big trees and looks like a super soaker or something in all the photos.

Some VOICE IN MY HEAD TELLS ME BILLY'S FULL OF CRAP. AND, I BELIEVE THIS VOICE, I DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT I JUST DO.

I ain't convinced by his pics of an iguanadon on venus. Nor his "close ups of the 'UFO' that could be a foil cooking tray" for all we know pic either.

Your web browser won't be given the shakes by just going to YouTube, type - beamship the movie footage - and you'll that there are over 2,000 results. You can see the footage in one fell swoop or break it up into parts with different resolutions (240 to 480).

BTW, I've never been a fan or supporter of Meier. He is an enigma which make personal opinions useless.

He faked some stuff and made money.

How much money?

Look at Whitley Streiber. His only evidence is his word. And yet how much money has he made on his books? Probably a good sum.

Money money. Ufology is mostly about money. Liike a lot of things.