How to bug out with women?

a reply to: nugget1

I like the way you think. Slow and not much of it.

Naw, if you are worried about heat-sensing tech. Set up several candles and small heaters along your "path",of course you go another direction. If you get them looking at these heat sources long enough, it will "burn out" the sensors.
You can also hang some aluminum foil strips up which will further confuse night vision. But what they really like is to trip a wire which turns on some flood lights shining at them. As to heat sensors, buy some "fire blankets" used by fire fighters. They will contain and conseal your heat signature for several minutes.
If you think you have been chipped; hold a small FM radio, tuned to the highest station, near yourself. At the same time hold a calcular adject to it. Like a "home made metal detector" as shown on youtube. If you locate a chip, the electronics in the calaulator will make it sound off in the radio.

As to the GPS, I would ditch that Cell phone right now.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

There are some good practical answers here, but I want to add: firstly, dont be afraid, or worry excessively, if you do then they have won already. In the end all you can do is all that you can do, once you have done that then there is no more you can do. My wife and I are in it together, I am not leaving her and she is not leaving me. If she cant travel or vice versa then we manage the best we can where we are.

She has a disability too, we are prepping more to stay put and ride it out till a balance is brought back in to the community. We are building relationships with our community so that when the collapse comes we know who we can depend on and who we have to be wary of.

As others have said, don't look past a bug in..

also she can probably do much better than what you think so if you have the money look at some of the higher dollar bags that are made for women my wife's carrying capacity went up when we got her one that actually sits on her correctly.
If you don't have the money look into making your own packs, I had to in Survival school... you use a bad pack for a while pain is a wonderful motivator for getting creative in my opinion.

Also I have noticed her biggest impediment is me... I have a tendency to slip into Lancelot mode and keep her from carrying to much.

edit: find people you trust and bring them into the mixture for your plans, many hands make light work.

a reply to: one4all

I never divulge my Bug out plans. I can however say that worst case scenario there will be a 60+ mile trek through wilderness to get to where we are headed. It is not a matter of avoiding people as it is being in different places than the people we plan to bug with. Everybody knows the rendevous point and how to get there. I am merely planning for worst case where cars no longer work/its unsafe to use them. We have a group, we just all have to get to the same spot.

a reply to: FlyersFan

My wife deals with fibromyalgia and there are no meds that help with her pain (well narcotics do however we are 100% against narcotics). I am sorry that the other person offended you. I believe that many people make mountains out of mole hills, but there are also people who are genuinely suffering. Good luck to you and your family in your plans, and thank you for your response.

a reply to: Gazrok

Where we live bugging in is NOT an option whatsoever. Our best possible bug-in scenario is a friend's house and realistically that would only be a short term until we could reach our planned spot.

a reply to: nugget1

Night vision is okay. Heat sensing tech is only so accurate and can be fooled rather easily. As for being chipped all electrical devices give off some kind of frequency. There are ways to find them, I am just saying.

a reply to: TrueBrit

I found your post very helpful. I have been anti-vehicle for a while and when you suggested a wagon of sorts I was kind of sold on it. If it came down to having a vehicle like the one pictured the power to recharge it would be difficult but not impossible for me to acquire. I however would much rather have a dinkey or some other beast of burden to help along the way. My wife and I actually started talking and she said to me that given the ability to move unencumbered (not carrying anything more than a rifle and some water) that she believes she could tough it out even on the worst of her days. I married one tough cookie. I think that I will invest in a donkey of some kind, that or a small stocky horse. I like dogs however if worst comes to worst I would rather not have to deal with a sled getting tangled/caught on something because dogs are pulling it when I could just have a horse/donkey carrying her.

originally posted by: Maxatoria
The solution is quite simple

get a hat with a long stick attached to the front of it and from the end attach a bar of her favourite chocolate and job done

Between yourself and TrueBrit I believe our significant other
close by (with a good dose of fibromyalgia herself) should be
afforded a comfortable load at the outset-- with quick releases.
I'll handle the bandoliers, and a little extra hardware for her .

Doubt the old girl will readily lose that razor sharp tanto in her
teeth. Get her 50-50 Irish and Italian red up at the same time;
Bob and I will just point her at our pursuers: the poor bastards.
I've seen what a cornered hurting badger can do to a grizzly,
thank you. I'll watch that from another ZIP code.

a reply to: teamcommander

I like you stranger. As I said there are plenty of ways to hide from these technologies. As somebody who has used all of them the only one I would REALLY be concerned about is rfid chips, and those can be found too.

a reply to: Irishhaf

I can relate to the lancelot-mode, actually considering how lancelot tried to steal king arthur's wife I will now call it gawain-mode. I can probably figure something out for the whole bag thing. She is definately tougher than I let her be, and in the time for it she will let me know when I am babying her too much.

We have people in our mix. My scenario is just to make it until we reach the point at whoch everybody is together in the same place. Once that happens we will be set. I have a multiple stage plan, and the first stage is to merely get to our spot. Once we are there everything will be okay.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

Create a wheeled carriage and just strap them in. It might be a challenge going up hill, but at least you created some distance between yourself and whatever was chasing you.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

Eberlestock backpacks many models can carry a rifle,I personally own the G4 and the wife has the X3 lo drag. Pack all your gear and see how heavy it really is. Go for a long walk.



Portable shelter a tarp is a must and I personally use a 4 season 2 man tent. Raven designs a2 it weighs 5 pounds and holds up in severe weather. It makes Kelty and north face look like a joke. Since the family is growing I will eventually upgrade to the a2+. It is slightly larger then the a2.



Water filtration is a must I suggest the Katadyne pocket. I have used the hiker pro and MSR filters before they tend to break at the hose nipples. Plastic just does not hold up.


Many more things to think about medical,fire starting,clothing,good knife just to name a few.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

I am glad you found my input useful!

Also, I hope that should the planning ever be required, that you and yours fare well in whatever scenario plays out!

a reply to: SubTruth

I have most of the gear down, but the packs will be a good addition. I will also consider upgrading the tarp and large tent I have to tarp and the tent you described. I could use a sturdy tent that didnt weigh 20lbs.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

I'd recommend Mcguyvering an small kids BMX type bicycle into a two wheel trolley with high ground clearance so it can be easily dragged over rough ground and light enough to be lifted over obstacles, and sturdy enough to plonk a child on top of in a pinch, or drag an immobolsed adult if you swap the gear to someone who can carry it. Something pulled from the shoulders, like an oversized version of a grannies shopping trolley but with a disproportionally large wheels and a axle about 2 ft wide. Build to be bloody strong and to be bounced about. Make sure you trial run it.

It also advise to organise an 'extended' bug out group, not just immediate family but decent neighbours (are there any nearby you'd trust?). Safety really is in numbers, and it sounds from your wife's medical issues you'll be a fairly slow moving group, 'running' from a threat isn't going to work out for you, she won't be fast enough and you have a young child who won't be fast either. A larger group means you won't need to duplicate a few of the bits of equipment and if you are missing something another may have it. You'll also have more protection from MZB's. If you were attacking fleeing refugees, would you pick the group of three (solo adult male weighed down with gear) or the group of nine ( three adult males plus). Although I wouldn't aim for more than ten as that would be a mob and hard to organise.

I'll look for an image of the trolley, I saw one on a bug out site once.

Edit : Something like the upright version but with two wheels and a slightly triangular shape (wider at axle) with shoulder straps like a back pack
www.coolthings.com...

Or one of those two wheeled golf bag trolleys, which are fairly inexpensive and designed to go over grass.
www.amazon.co.uk...=sr_pg_2/276-9759480-5082665?rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Agolf+trolley&page=2&keywords=golf+trolley&ie=UTF8&qid=1403898563
Or one of these; www.combatreform.org...

Well, since a bug in isn't an option...can always use the "old roads"....railroads. To make travel easier.

www2.mainetoday.com...

originally posted by: Kratos40
a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

Create a wheeled carriage and just strap them in. It might be a challenge going up hill, but at least you created some distance between yourself and whatever was chasing you.

Unless they are on dirt bikes. Mad max will look like a picnic.

a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

Ok first of all, you said yourself it has been years since you had done any life saving things in the water... the boy scouts I believe is what you said. That right there says a lot. Practice, Practice, Practice is you best bet with that.
As far as having to carry everything for them...NO you have them carry what they can and you carry what you can...that's it. If your weak in an area, you work on it...if your needing to get your strength up, try working out some or getting your cardio up some.
Your not going to be running the entire time you bug out...at least in my opinion your not going to be...your going to be moving quick or maybe cautiously...but if your running the whole way something is really wrong...I would honestly say it might be sprints from one spot to another making your way out of wherever you are, to get to the location you have picked out.
I did not read any of the posts except yours so this all might be said already, but go camping for a week or a long weekend. Take only what you and your wife and child can carry on your backs, walk in and walk out hauling everything you need on your back. This will also let you know what you need and do not need, what has duel uses and what is a waste of weight and space.
You can take a lot more than you think with 3 of you sharing the load, yes...you might be hauling most of it yourself, but the little extra's they bring could be of great value, things that they bring can be knowledge that you lack...it is hard to put a price on that.
This is just my .02 cents from what I read in your tread...try it or don't...it's your plan, your life...you do as you see fit.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Kratos40
a reply to: Divin3F3nrus

Create a wheeled carriage and just strap them in. It might be a challenge going up hill, but at least you created some distance between yourself and whatever was chasing you.

Unless they are on dirt bikes. Mad max will look like a picnic.

Everyone in my family knows how to ride a dirt bike...hmmm dirt bikes with side cars?