Homosexual Conversion Therapy

a reply to: Another_Nut

I just read your posts on this topic, and we both agree.

Sexual orientation is determined by the structure and operation of the brain. In the future, we will be able to restructure and change the operation of our brains. Meaning we should be able to change sexual preference, among other characteristics, with precision.

I believe drugs, poisons and toxins, brain trauma or injury, and other things that directly affect the structure and operation of the brain can accidentally change these characteristics as well, imprecisely. There have been documented cases where heterosexual men who have had a stroke, woke up with a change in sexual orientation. I believe killing brain cells with lack of oxygen, or altering brain function in any other manner listed above, can definitely have such side effects.

It's quite simple...

Almost everything we love and hate, like and dislike, makes us happy or fearful, attracted to or repelled from, is determined by our brains. Our brains can be physically, chemically, and psychologically altered to change all of that. At birth, after birth, at any time in ones life, a change can take place to alter your characteristics.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Lipton

From the earliest age you emulate what you see.

So logic would dictate that if you were to take 100 young children and raise them in an atmosphere of ubiquitous homosexuality the percentage of them that grew up to be homosexual would be greater than the control group (the American population) which is ~3%.

Since you choose to insult me, cry foul and run away without making clear what your problem is with me simply not agreeing with your theory above, I've decided to double down on why I think your theory is wrong with evidence to support my reasoning. Hopefully this will allow us to continue to discuss this topic without all the hostility.

If you don't agree fine. If you do, also fine. No need to be so damn hostile toward me in responding now I hope.

I never stated unequivocally that I believed this to be the truth, I was merely drawing parallels. And we both could toss studies at each other that would show a child is influenced, or isn't influenced, but as of right now I am of the opinion that it is far too early to be stating as a fact that it doesn't have any influence. I will however add that I personally doubt it does, as I think there is very little 'nurture' influence and that the deciding factors are more 'nature'.

At the core that wasn't the point I was trying to make, nor was I originally trying to be confrontational. It does seem that if someone poses any question regarding homosexuality then out come the guns...from both sides.

As I stated a few times previously I said that I believe the causes are hormonal, chemical and neurological. And there has been some pretty impressive research done regarding this, which provides more than anecdotal evidence that is generally gathered from samples of non-straight parents raising children. Personally I'd rather see a gay couple adopting 10 kids and raising/loving them than the children sitting in a foster home being abused and abandoned emotionally.

You won't hear anything but praise from me on that one. Adoption is one of the most selfless things someone can do.

You also won't hear me rallying against gay marriage and I covered my reasoning of that a few posts up.

And I am more than aware that praying the gay away works about as well as praying away the childhood leukemia.

But, I am of the opinion that eventually there will be a pill, much like the psychotropics out there for depression (and yes I'm well aware at how well those work) that will be billed as a 'cure' for homosexuality. That was the direction I was going, though not because I have any particular dog in this fight, but rather I see it as the inevitable and natural progression of the conversation in a medical sense and in a psychological sense.

a reply to: Lipton

I suspect there will be a scientific/medical way in the future to alter sexual orientation.

But homosexuals aren't broken, society is. There wouldn't be an issue if all sexual orientations between consenting adults ( without a victim) was just accepted as natural.

What a horrifying thought. Parents dragging minors they suspect are gay to doctors to chemically make them straight.

a reply to: Annee
What if u could choose the sexual orientation of yoour kids?

Oand isnt it a moot point once we get to the point we can. Alter ourselves to that point

a reply to: Another_Nut

You are grasping at straws with those kind of questions.

Let's say hypothetically of course, you have an irrational fear of red headed people(i.e. Eric Cartman in South Park). Then lets say you have red headed children, would you dye their hair?

a reply to: Annee

No different than the idiotic parents who take their young children to doctors for sexual reassignment because their young children decide they are in the wrong bodies.

originally posted by: mclarenmp4
a reply to: OpenEars123

Great posts from both of you and I agree that if they are wanting to introduce legislation for conversion from Gay to Straight that they should offer the opposite so that people are given a choice to convert the other way. I bet they don't do that though because that won't score them any votes from religious bigots.

This therapy as insane as it sounds to me shouldn't be banned, shouldn't be forced but offered as an option for both homo and hetero sexual preferences if one chooses to undertake the therapy.

How much data is there to conclude the results and is there enough data to determine that depression and other mental ailments could affect ones undertaking the therapy?

Its psychological in nature so the results wont be able to placed on another, the depression caused by the therapy to participant 1 could very likely not show up in another participant.

I don't think anything should be banned at the same time nothing should be forced, but the world isn't a nice place to live most of the time and many things are banned because many things are forced.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

I agree that an ADULT should be free to choose whatever kind of conversion treatment that person deems necessary or fun.

The original thread that was deleted and this thread cause outrage because some think it is good idea to force MINORS to such draconian witch doctor style of therapy.

a reply to: jrod


No yiu check the little box next to blond or brunette or whatever instead of red

I have experimented with gay sex a couple of times and im quite at peace with my sexuality because it doesnt define who i am. Maybe others should have the same point of view

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: Annee
What if u could choose the sexual orientation of yoour kids?

Oand isnt it a moot point once we get to the point we can. Alter ourselves to that point

I have a 20 year old grandson, + 3 more. I let them be who they are.

A boyfriend of my daughter was concerned I wouldn't like him because he was Jewish. She told him, "if I showed up with a 300 pound lesbian Samoan with purple hair, my mom would say: "Are you happy".

Kids need love, security, and acceptance -- as they are.

a reply to: Gideon70

"I have experimented with gay sex a couple of times and im quite at peace with my sexuality"

Are you like one guy I met who said he wasn't gay or even bisexual, but Trysexual?

originally posted by: Gideon70
I have experimented with gay sex a couple of times and im quite at peace with my sexuality because it doesnt define who i am. Maybe others should have the same point of view

Experiemented?? all that means is you are GAY, no ifs!! And why should we have your view. You views are rather pointless. You are gay and trying to pawn it off as experimentation.

Anyway this thread is about the BS therapy....It is BS because you are attracted to who you are attracted to....curing homosexuality is like trying to cure pedophilia...it doesnt work. It in-built into DNA..its how you are made....no cure just natural for that person!"!

a reply to: Annee

See there in lies the problem. It is your job as a parent to guide and direct and teach your children which it seems like you refuse to do. "I let my children be whoever and whatever they want to be" Let's play Gryphon's What If game for a sec,,,, What If your child as a teenager came to you crying and told you she was only sexually attracted to men like Dahmer and Bundy. That the thought of being with one of them made her so excited she could not contain herself ? My point being, where do you draw the line and stop being her supportive friend and be a firm Loving concerned parent ?

originally posted by: projectbane
I have experimented with gay sex a couple of times and im quite at peace with my sexuality because it doesnt define who i am. Maybe others should have the same point of view

originally posted by: Gideon70

Experiemented?? all that means is you are GAY, no ifs!!

YEA! NO TAKEY-BACKIES!

Seriously though, what you just posted is ridiculous.

a reply to: jrod

Out of curiosity, without Googling it, do you have the slightest idea what Draconian means ? More importantly what Draco is ? If so how do you explain the similarity between Draco and gay conversion therapy ?

a reply to: Christian Voice

Just a question.

Does anyone take you seriously?

I mean you base all your arguments on a book of myths and fantasy.

a reply to: Onslaught2996

No I don't. Prove to me they are myths. You can't. I don't have to prove they are not if you cannot prove they are. Where was the last posting I made that was Bible based ? Think about it punkin, logic itself dictates that homosexuality is against nature in that if we were all homosexual the human race would die out completely.

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: Annee

See there in lies the problem. It is your job as a parent to guide and direct and teach your children which it seems like you refuse to do. "I let my children be whoever and whatever they want to be" Let's play Gryphon's What If game for a sec,,,, What If your child as a teenager came to you crying and told you she was only sexually attracted to men like Dahmer and Bundy. That the thought of being with one of them made her so excited she could not contain herself ? My point being, where do you draw the line and stop being her supportive friend and be a firm Loving concerned parent ?

The only person anyone ever really has to live with in life is themself.

To be raised to know yourself and be allowed to be yourself is real parenting. To be raised to be secure, accepting, and happy with yourself ---- should be the ultimate goal of any parent.

Don't go off on some tangent, of course you also have to live in society, obey laws, have good manners, accept others, etc etc etc.

If you insist on going to extremism to make a point. Go talk to someone else. I'm not interested.

What you don't need is ancient dogma forced on you. Or convert you into something you're not --- because of a personal belief.

BTW how many kids have you raised?

originally posted by: Christian Voice
a reply to: Onslaught2996

No I don't. Prove to me they are myths. You can't. I don't have to prove they are not if you cannot prove they are. Where was the last posting I made that was Bible based ? Think about it punkin, logic itself dictates that homosexuality is against nature in that if we were all homosexual the human race would die out completely.

But we won't all die out, it's too small of a percentage of the population. That's a wrong argument anyway. It's not a choice. That's the problem. I didn't wake up today and choose to be straight. I didn't get to make that choice. I was born that way. You didn't get to make that choice either.

This therapy is harmful worse and ineffective at best. The data is out there and pretty much every medical/psychiatric/psychological group states that this type of therapy should be discontinued as it relates to being forced on minors.