German Aerospace engineer admist to installing chemtrail tanks, now cant find work

originally posted by: scrog77
a reply to: network dude
Maybe you should take a closer look, this is from the pdf *some—albeit very small scale—geoengineering testing is already underway* So it's already underway, and that's from the pdf.

You got me. Reforestation, and reflective roofs. Which is the same as chemtrails.
Color me wrong.

a reply to: Thisbseth
So tell me if your so convinced just what do you imagine they are spraying? What is the chem in them thar trails? And what is it for? Convince me that they're real.
Fill me in so I can wrap my mind around the idea.

The man is a flat out liar dude. The documentation about the sale of the craft is right there. Why do you guys insist when this particular plane has crashed in your living room. a reply to: Thisbseth

I don't know anything about chemtrails because there is no such thing silly. a reply to: Thisbseth

a reply to: scrog77
So how is that chemtrails ?
How is that some elite group looking to control our minds and make us puppets?

I am not sold on the idea of chemtrails, and never have been. However, I would like to ask some questions regarding the debunking of this man's claims. I am confused about whether it was shown that the individual plane he specified was proven to have been a corporate jet later on, or was it the fact that this was icing equipment to begin with that was used to debunk the claims? Does that make sense?

My point is that if his claims were dismissed because the device sprays water, that is not a very good reason, if theoretically it could have been used to spray something else. So was the individual plane retired, or that type of aircraft in general? If all those types of aircraft, then that is not really a big deal, as someone could still use them. But if he claimed an individual plane was the one he installed this stuff on, and that particular plane was a corporate jet or whatever at that time, then obviously the stories wouldn't match up. I am just confused on the specifics.

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

In 2003, the specific aircraft he mentioned was owned by Dornier, the manufacturer of said aircraft. They used it to test anti icing equipment. In 2005, it was sold, and converted to a regular scheduled passenger carrying aircraft.

He claims that it had the spraying equipment on it in 2008, but it had already been converted to a passenger aircraft by then.

a reply to: AutumnWitch657

Sorry I took so long to reply, but this is my answer as I have given it before.

Who knows whats really being sprayed, and what the causes are. We will probably never know. But I believe its happening. No, I don't have any sicknesses to make me believe that, and Noone has ever given me 100% proof they are real. I just have a deep rooted gut feeling about this. And thats all I will say as I don't have any evidence to back up any claims I am making. Just "faith" that I'm not wrong. Makes perfect sense to me...dont care if anyone else can't make any out of it

a reply to: Thisbseth

That's all very well, but when you make claims with no foundation in truth, expect to be called out on them. For example;

As I said before, and I will say again. The Gosh Darn X CIA commissioner could come out and say chemtrails are real and people like the debunkers will still not be happy..The only proof you can give closed minded people is to crash a Chemtrail plane right into their living room...and even that would barley convince them.....Anyways, This guy comes out and admits it. But thats still not enough evidence. Its going to take about 100 more guys coming out to make any difference at all. Open and shut case Johnson.

Don't delude yourself that you have the high ground here. You are choosing to accept this claim at face value because it supports your preconception! just as believers choose to disregard science when it goes against their 'gut instinct' and belief. There is nothing enlightened about such a position.

Air sampling has never yet resulted in proof of chemtrails, aircraft can be hired for the purpose and chemtrail ringleaders can easily afford to do it, but choose not to. Make of that what you will, but I'm seeing a pattern emerge. So it's nothing to do with who says what, it's about a refusal to back up claims whilst being willing to accept donations to their websites. That's the conspiracy, if you could but see it.

Just curious, you happen to know so much about Chemtrails. Tell me, how is this? You do government work or something? not saying anything ...just saying and how do you know he is lying? are you an expert at seeing lies as well as proving chemtrails wrong?

People that know and understand aviation also know why chemtrails are nonsense. Chemtrail believers, on the other hand, think that anyone who disagrees with them are government agents and think that the chemtrail pushers claims that "contrails quickly dissipate and chemtrails don't" is a factual claim. Ignorance and paranoia do not lend themselves to building credibility.

And what are aliens then? and UFOs. You can see them but really can't prove anything about them...Its kinda like that..I guess I'm a chemtrail Tard....

Not at all. Aliens and UFO's are a mystery and cannot be explained, proven hoaxes aside, contrails are perfectly well understood so someone telling us that something we know about is really something else is risible.

Before you ask, no, I'm not saying chemtrails are impossible and can never happen. It's just that chemtrail believers seem incapable of grasping that when you have a specialist area of interest (ie aviation buffs), one develops a deeper understanding in that area and when someone tries to tell you about chemtrails, often quoting nonsense claims they've lifted straight from conspiracy websites, they show they lack the understanding of the topic to see through those claims.

This lack of knowledge is perfectly ok, their own expertise will be in another area, but their absolute refusal to engage with people who DO understand the topic, whilst calling them shills and insisting they know chemtrails are real (this happens on here all the time), does actually make them look like paranoid idiots.

Who knows whats really being sprayed, and what the causes are.

Or, indeed, IF anything is being sprayed, and what from. Some of us know why thinking it comes from commercial traffic, thinking it's evident in grid patterns or spreading trails, thinking videos on you tube show spraying activity close up etc is absolutely ridiculous, some others don't want to know as they've built their belief around it.

If one looks at the scientific community's genuine work into geoengineering and SRM theories and ALSO believes the things mentioned above, it must look really convincing.

Others can see the chasm between the real information and the BS. GE and SRM are real. Chemtrails are pure bull. If you think they are the same thing, you've been had.

a reply to: waynos

Air sampling has never yet resulted in proof of chemtrails, aircraft can be hired for the purpose and chemtrail ringleaders can easily afford to do it, but choose not to.

Well if you noticed he supposedly was an engineer at this special military base that just so housed DLR a company that can test for chemtrails.

I guess he figured that would just not be noticed.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

That would make a Q&A with him quite interesting.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Vasa Croe

The plane he claims to have worked on in 2008 was an 2003 icing test plane, retired in 2005

Retired in '05, retasked in '08 for chemtrailing...easy-peasy.

In the same livery as the DLR jet as claimed to be in this German guys images? You do realise that D-BJET was sold on? How did it manage to get back into the old livery and operate as a "sprayer" without anybody knowing about it?

2003 image of the Dornier 328 fitted with the ice testing equipment. So secret that they allow aviation enthusiasts to take up close images

www.planepictures.net...

www.flugzeugbilder.de...

www.planepictures.net...

See images of D-BJET operating over the period since being sold in its new livery.

www.airliners.net...

The company that took over production of the 328JET also inherited the water spray rig.

AvCraft owns and operates a 328 equipped with a water-spraying rig to test de-icing systems on other aircraft.

Link

The German guy is just a long line of BS chemtrail hoaxers wanting their 15 mins of fame. It is sad really as it gives false hope to those taken in by it as to this promise of the impending "truth" coming out. Sadly these people that need this in their lives will still be puzzled in 10 or 15 years time when they are still ranting at persistent contrails in the sky. "What about the Whistleblowers!" they will cry.

a reply to: network dude

That would make a Q&A with him quite interesting.

I can almost guarantee he would decline an invitation for one.

a reply to: tommyjo

The German guy is just a long line of BS chemtrail hoaxers wanting their 15 mins of fame.

He proved that when he said he worked at the special military airport. Now I guess everyone is dumb and do not know how to use a search engine.

Google should have been his friend.

Okay, thank you. Now I understand, and of course that seems like a very sufficient reason to dismiss the claims. It is always sad to see anyone making false claims with fringe topics, even though I do not even believe chemtrails are a conspiracy or nefarious act. I suppose the reason is because there will always be those who believe hoaxers, and I don't like to see people get fooled in that manner.