St John 23 met Alien from landed saucer in Castel Gandolfo?

There are many HUMAN ET

Pleiasians
Altair,
Procyon,
Tau Ceti,
Alpha Centauri
Arctur
Vega
Sirius
and many others.

Are all those HUMANS living over there for longer than the man on Earth, therefore created by God long before the fall of Adam and Eve, are they all evil? Let me doubt it. We don't even know if they committed the original sin, or not.

I doubt it also for the humanoids to be all evil ( Grey are here, an many others). But to say all humans identical to us are evil, is just too much. Similarly, we should say that all humans on earth are responsible for the holocaust.

God is not against the reasonable logic.

Moreover, we have the example of the "angels" that visited the earth constantly during the Old Testament. Ezekiel 1. Some of them don't look like humans nevertheless they are called angels. If Ezekiel and Elijah questioned them as much as we do, they would never believe and would never prophecy and write what they wrote. The angels continued visiting in pretty physical and visible way up until Peter's release from prison. Then they STOPPED for reason unknown. In another thread I already gave one possible logical explanation, that I am not going to repeat it here.

For the purpose to name an angel, perhaps the people of old didn't take account to wider eyes. So many more races whose only difference from the earth-human is the larger eyes or taller/shorter stature, could be added to what was called an angel. Tall Whites are here. No they are not ugly and they are not evil. They are not devils.

Those who look for the devils, should look elsewhere. I already gave some useful links. Alpha Draconis with Draconians known to earth tribes since earliest written history and very popular in SE Asian temples. Also known to the ancient Greeks an Egyptians. There are other evil ones as well. But let name them carefully.

If one calls God's angels - demons, and vice versus, he wouldn't go very far.

Thanks God, the pope doesn't follow the Middle ages logic and tries his best to correct past errors of the church. Because what we have now as knowledge we could have it 5 centuries earlier if it was not for fanaticism and false expectation of End times. It didn't come except for the departed souls.

oes it mean those who wrongly expect the end times now, actually expect a mass scale of extinction event that will be presented as "end times" by evil ones like draconians? Anyway it is wrong.

The universe has not been given a chance to know the Gospel of Jesus. We are talking of AT LEAST 100 billion galaxies each of a hundred billion of stars or more. At least 1/4 of them have planets, may be more. Some star systems have 2 -3 planets in habitable zone, say scientists. We are talking of such great number of possible life- harboring planets, that it is not possible they all to be reached and evangelized, as Jesus' condition is clearly set for his second coming, in the time frames given by the end time theories. We'd rather correct the theories according to the reality, not vice versus.

taking into account the above arguments, one cannot really believe Jesus is coming anytime soon, based on the impossibility (humanly speaking) to fulfil His own prerequisites in such limited time frames. Everything is possible for God including this. Still, He withholds His second coming and no one knows when, not even Jesus but only the Father.

So let not be too fast to proclaim the first or second half of the Great Trib to arrive on certain date. As both protestants and catholic "mystics" love to o.

But...Jesus could send his son, grandson, etc...if He married on another planet in the 1980+ years after the resurrection on Earth. As being God He is free to do what He decides. Who are we to deny the right of Jesus to marry? Many will say, in the resurrection they don't marry...But isn't it the church on earth that is expecting the Second coming and the ...marriage of Jesus to ...her? Is the church a bride at all? Who of the billion-wide members will be the actual bride? Or no one? Inconvenient questions that no one asks.

Isn't it something wrong here that our theologians didn't figure out for 1980 years? Or may be they didn't want it to figure out by casting aside deliberately books, and never written facts of the life of Jesus on earth?

Perhaps the ET who observed "from the clouds" have videotape everything.

If Jesus married Mary Magalene on Earth, perhaps after His Ascension He sent angels/ET to transport His family to a more secure planet. Resurrected or not, there could be His descendants until these days.

I don't buy the theory expressed in some books of Dan Brown that those descendants were...the French kings. No, not for Jesus to do so! I'd rather believe He took his family out of the planet, not for their sake of themselves but for the sake of the future generations (ours).

So if tomorrow one (or more) of the potential theoretical descendants of Jesus comes with extraterrestrial angelic fleet to fix it all on Earth and to offer the humankind the way out of the deadly spiral that approaches the end, I'd rather believe them and would not call them antichrists. It doesn't make any sense for me.

Notice, if Jesus married Magdalene before His resurrection, that doesn't contradict anything, not even the phrase they don't marry after resurrection (that might be deliberately put in the gospel by those who never married - the priesthood). Jesus' family may not be resurrected either, no matter on which planet it dwells. This all is a logical construction only.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Fantasies about where the critters are 'from' do NOT equal facts about where the critters are 'from.'

There's no possible way mere mortal man can verify ANY of the 'distant planets' as authentic origins of the critters.

And taking proven chronic liars' words for their origin has to be

incredible folly.

a reply to: BO XIAN

this is your view. I respect it. However, I buy to the views of insiders who had the chance to encounter that reality.

a reply to: 2012newstart

(Pope John 23rd) Good Pope, he met an alien before his death in 1961.

The meeting in the gardens of Castel Gandolo.
All witnessed by Loris Francesco Capovilla. The private secretary of Pope John XXIII. The news appeared in a British newspaper and was later taken over by Sun in 1985. But no one paid any attention....

Did John XXIII ever confirm the encounter which private secretary Loris Francesco Capovilla attests... was this 'Story' ever legally documented...as in a formal Deposition?

I wonder...
In any case the Sainthood of John XXIII ultimately permits the hearsay story to be accepted as fact... that's a round-about way to Pope Francis to act...IMHO

a reply to: St Udio

what do you understand as documented? This is what is spread online, and I am not the author of it. Perhaps pope Francis knows more than that. The story was online before the canonization, also the other two ET stories that were more popular than this one. Especially the George Aamski's visit.

Someone said Adamski was a hoax. That doesn't negate the fact he was invited by John 23 in the Vatican. The story is so much published online and print, that it seems to me that meeting is absolutely proven.

whether cardinal Capovilla is willing to witness today at his age of 98 (the oldest cardinal), I don't know.
In anyway, I think other more important stories will cover the news soon. After all, this is a past contact 50+ years ago. We have quite many such contacts, the strange here is only it happens with the pope himself. There is nothing strange of contact of 3rd kind. Search for Voronezh case.

What practical it will bring on the table, except for more people catholics and other christians to think the ET are not demons, after they hear of John 23 experiences (3 at least).

The real disclosure and the real good use of the fact of ET existence will come only after their public appearance for longer than a brief moment, to more than a handful of people. They should give tech etc. They should stop be anonymous observers, as they are now. Otherwise, it doesn't help much. Even if you believe the story. I hope they or their envoys read that.

Kirsan Nikolayevich Ilyumzhinov en.wikipedia.org... 1st President of Kalmykia, President of FIDE (or the "World Chess Federation"), the world's pre-eminent international chess organization, since 1995, also multi-millionaire,

was taken aboard a ship and given a ride to a star system in a matter of 30 minutes.

Obviously he was not hallucinating or lying, a person with such background and duties (at that time he was still president-governor and the half hour absence from his apartment was witnessed by his bodyguards). But he was not a pope, and one can easily say: the ET were evil demonic forces!

All the children's stories of 3rd contacts could be dismissed as hallucinations or imagination, because the children usually don't lie. As they didn't lie in Fatima.

The problem for the catholics here is that John 23, already a saint, reports the same. The problem is the unwillingness of some people to accept that reality, or if they do, then they demonize it. In the case of John 23, it will be very hard to demonize it. Unless someone is a warring anticatholic. Well, I AM NOT A SUCH PERSON. I underline that for all who see in my posts anti-catholicism. Let they read them again!

If pope Francis spoke of baptizing aliens (Martians) in PUBLIC, it will not be too long before we see them. As you read the story of John 23, it has been kept for secret for quite a long time. It surfaces only recently. Perhaps other secrets are still kept as secrets.

Now it has been spoken plainly on TV. First by Balducci, top demonologist of Vatican, then by Funes, top astronomer. I think Balducci gives most info of the ET what their nature is. Perhaps he speaks of one or more races only. Anyway, compared to Funes, there it is given much more information in his interviews. In other words, we have less info coming in time, not more.

That trend is observed also in secular sources. In 1970s and 1980s you could probably get most of info of ET and their benevolent agendas. That was substituted by the "evil Grey" who appeared massively on the media in the years around 2000 until now. Now almost everyone speaks how bad the Grey are. I wonder who has interest of that? Perhaps some other race who wants to find in the Grey the necessary culprit. Perhaps Draconians themselves. Just a guess. They are the ONLY proven until now hostile race to the earthlings. No other race was proven all evil, as far as I know.

It is no more conspiracy when you have thousands of people witnessing the same, and church leaders speak. It is going fast to daylight. Now will come demonization efforts of people like Tom Horn an Steve Quayle. They demonized before they saw it, as if they somehow knew it or someone told them. If someone looks for conspiracy better looks at their interviews.

Then the pope will be painted in black when the moment comes to greet the ET officially. Also the president(s) who will have that task, because there will be some presidents. Even if it is a small nation president, not a big one's. Too bad! In such attitude one cannot accept what God wants to bring to the world.

Even if Jesus comes again, he will be rejected again. "But he won't come now". You bet! How about Ezekiel 1 wheels to come again then?

a reply to: 2012newstart

Sigh . . .

OK . . .

This bloke was . . .

(A) either taken bodily into some bounded space that convincingly appeared to be a transport vessel of some kind

. . . taken to some distant point . . . purportedly . . .

. . . given some perceptions consistent with such a scenario . . . convincingly . . .

. . . given various propaganda about all such . . .

. . . and returned.

or

(B) while still in his bed? . . . was subjected to hyper sophisticated mental influences which involved actions on his perceptors and perceptions consistent with (A) above . . .

And the whole kit and kabootle was swallowed hook, line and sinker.

without as much as 0.0000000000000000001% INDEPENDENT, SCIENTIFIC, VERIFICATION to the least degree.

I have also to say, I personally evolved while writing all those posts since the election of pope Francis. Not that my understanding of ET changed that much, rather not, and I am not ready to discuss it in public in the form offered by internet www. If there are people who are concerne they surely know how to contact me properly.

But definitely my understanding of where the Catholic Church stands on the matter, changed a lot in that year. As said in the previous post, now I accept it as a prolonged policy stretching over at least 3 popes (Balducci spoke during St John Paul 2) and may be longer if we include John 23 and PIUS XII who was personally informed for Eisenhower-ET meeting by the present cardinal McIntyre of LA. The Catholic Church finally showed to the world it has a vision for longer than one generation and does not demonize God's creatures, rather searches them in the Universe by telescopes. Such position is worth of praising. Galileo would be proud, said one TV journalist about that.

About Bob Dean and other witnesses, their credibility is so high it is beyond doubt. I wonder how their chiefs allowed them to speak, but apparently that was the case as Bob Dean revealed it more than once, he was ordered to speak by his superiors. He has been on a ship and a planet for one week. So I tend to prefer to believe THEM and not people who would challenge their credibility in first place when they cannot challenge the message.

In the case of John 23 an attempt will be made to negate the source of the story as untrue, to negate the diary as non existent, and to paint George Adamski as the strangest erratic person of the century. Almost as Charlie Chaplin making film of aliens not of Hitler. BTW sci fi that flourished in 1970-1980s reached excellency as literature and couldn't appear if the writers weren't in the know. If you think of Sci -fi, don't think of Star Wars only please, Read the books!

In other words, the isolate cases of contacts witnessed here and there, and in Castel Gandolfo, fit ina much larger picture of a galaxy (Universe) ruled by much stricter laws we could imagine, and a Earth that still orbits undecided of its own future. And the ET are concerned because they know perfectly the Son of God was born an died/resurrected here. (Friedman) .They are here honoring that fact, and not the fact of our mass killings of 100 mln in 20th c. We are as much polarity as it could be found elsewhere in the Universe. There are people on this planet who would love to follow Draco system if offered again. There are people for every agenda of ET.

Including the one who promotes the Son of God until the ends of the Universe. I wonder how few christians are actually interested in that perspective without boring too much for the correct translation of the ending words of the Gospels, that mean, go into the entire universe. Because the Greek knew the stars and didn't know America, and their universe or world included the stars and didn't include the Americas. The Gospel writers could not be more precise of what Jesus' mandate was. To go to the ends of the Universe. That of course included Americas in Columbus time. Are we realy so narrow minded in 21st century, to think Jesus spoke of Papua New Guinea to be evangelized as precondition of his Second coming? Those people who think so, will probably see Jesus in their deaths (personal) not in any Armageddon as they expect it. Because it is why they deny the ET or demonize it. Because they expect their armageddon and their great deception, and are afraid to think otherwise. Almost as Midle agers. Then the Caliphate was the beast...One cannot do much for such type of people. But they are not 1 bln.

I will start by saying that aliens likely exist somewhere. If they are visiting earth, or have been hiding out here underwater or wherever for a long time, and this is what people are seeing, I never thought that this would be much good for the human race. I mentioned the other day that the reports I have read of alien contact have always been negative. The alien crafts have injured people, the aliens have supposedly abducted and experimented on people, etc...If they were here for our good, why are so many encounters so extremely negative?

I have heard some say that there are all types of alien races, some nice and some not so nice, but I think much of this is speculation. The common thread I have noticed in reports is that of negativity, fear, pain, etc. I think that it is possible that aliens would seek an audience with powerful rulers of the world. Maybe not probable for some, but theoretically possible, if they exist and are visiting or living on earth.

Especially rulers that have sway over large amounts of people. But this does not mean it is a good thing. A great tactic for a malevolent alien race would be to make the people as complacent as possible by convincing the leaders of the people that they were there for good, thus getting these leaders to allay the fears of the masses. And then the people will not initially try to put up a defense. It is a common tactic of deception, used in one form or another for millennia.

Honestly this is the first time I've heard of the Popes being visited by ET's. It is interesting because some of the people who have detailed these accounts are not the types of people one would expect to fabricate lies. I think I will do a bit more digging and learn whether there is any other evidence for these occurrences. I am not very interested in aliens or UFO's but this particular vein seems a little more interesting to me. Thanks for sharing.

a reply to: JiggyPotamus

the only witness is cardinal Loris Capovilla, and he is still alive, 98. He could theoretically testify how credible that story is.
Another option is a hidden diary of John XXIII to have recorded it. Or if he relayed it to someone else besides Capovilla and that someone else wrote it down. The current leakage itself has been written by someone, in order to appear online. I don't know how credible he might be and I don't know who he might be in first place.

The other source of John's ET contact is exactly such a leaked diary, allegedly authored by him, without any further confirmation by anyone in the know.

The first well published ET-related contact is the meeting with George Adamski. However controversial, Adamski was notorious in his time of pretending to be ET contactee at that earlier time for UFOlogy. One of the first who said that. Being himself fake or not, perhaps he indeed met the pope. There aren't any writings I know about to say the opposite, that Adamski didn't meet the pope and that the story is fabricated.

Why should the pope put credibility in Adamski by inviting him and even receiving him a cup of some medicine, if he was a fake contactee?


If we have a problem with 50 something years old story how to be verified properly, in the presence of printed stories that are not opposed by anyone, alleged diaries that are not rejected as fake, and still alive persons,...
Then how could we possibly pretend we know the entire story that happened 1990 years ago with Jesus Christ with few documents remained hundred years after the events??? Books have been banned and presumably others have never been known, because of someone emperor's will. Good job of historical evidence!

In the logic of the previous post, I would challenge those who doubt the record of events of John XXIII-ET relations,
to APPLY THE SAME CRITERIA WHEN TALKING OF EARLIEST GOSPEL TEXTS AND BANNED BOOKS. It is apparent what we have as Gospel is not the record of 33 years life of Jesus on planet Earth, not even the full 3.5 years of public ministry, rather deliberately chosen episodes of it.

Perhaps main episodes are cut off, such as the theoretically possible and logical presence of a woman in the life of Jesus. On what ground all books that speak of that are automatically banned as heretical, fake, fabricated in later centuries, and the already approved texts are not questioned with the same scrutiny?

Perhaps other no less important events were cut off, such as frequent angelic visits that had the shape of Ezekiel 1 UFOs. WE DON'T KNOW.

And it is strange the most heated defenders of the existing Bible texts (that I accept too) will turn to be the most heated attackers of any evidence of any ET contact in our days happening with St John XXIII or any other similar person.

Tomorrow another evidence may surface about another pope. As it transpires from witness testimony (Robert Dean) that Pius XII was properly informed by cardinal McIntyre of the ET-Eisenhower meeting in California. How about that?

Why double standard criteria would be applied for events that happen today and not applied for events that happened a thousand and nine hundred plus years ago and therefore are much less verifiable? Because it is called "God's word? Is it all of Go's words then? Let me doubt it to ba all of them. What we have is what was stamped by Constantine, the pagan chief priest of Rome still unbaptized at that time. Good job!

Go now and reject what John 23 saw on several occasions.

What was the Bethlehem star if not a moving UFO? The stars and planets, and comets do not follow any earthy road but follow quite different orbits on the sky. What we have written in the text, is an object that followed a particular road close enough to enlighten it for the magi.

So there is evidence in the Gospel (that existing part that survived) for everyone who wants to find it.

If Pius 12 was informed by card. McIntyre who was present on ET-Eisenhower meeting (check interview Bob Dean, Clifford Stone and Camelot) then the Vatican is pretty well informed for decades what is going on. Then the experience of St John 23 is pretty normal in that same line of logic.

Furthermore, it is proven by the top demonologist of Vatican at his time, Balducci, who spoke of aliens (youtube, translated in English) and said it plainly the ET encounter is not demonic. Then the contemporary Vatican astronomers spoke of alien life and possibility of baptizing aliens, during the pontificates of St John Paul 2, Benedict and Francis. Then pope Francis spoke of it himself.

I want to know more. Particularly what the ET told those popes and what the projected promised future would be. Unfortunately I don't know more, as anyone of you. But I don't reject what is already made public, apparently by people who are deeply into that matter, insiders of Vatican or of the ET side.

Is it possible, those Roman emperors who burned books that spoke of a woman in the life of Jesus, did so out of fear that a possible son, grandson of Jesus Christ will challenge their rule over time?

Is it possible, some of the ET civilizations to actually have as their leader the great-great....-grandson of Jesus Christ?

The hypothetical descendants of Jesus would be naturally hunted down and killed on earth, except those who would have been moved to another planet to survive. Elijah chariot proves that is possible even for a non-resurrected person. Of course we are talking of a spaceship and not of chariot of fire without flying horses.

Is that the real reason of rejecting any idea that Jesus Christ might have been married? And to ban dozen or so books that are presumably no less credible than those approved ones by Constantine? How about the books that never reached to public and were never preserved?

Not answering those questions is also an answer. The people today THINK and REASON unlike the masses back then.

Constantine is not the only genius. The "Christian emperor" Theoodsius destroyed pagan temples together with Alexandria library for a good reason. Not the entire library though. Those stupid people the emperors never imagined that a generation will rise to dare to question their immoral, cruel and anti-Christ moves. Theodosius was guilty of a mass murder of innocent common Christian citizens in Greece. After that he was just "forgiven".

to bring the topic back to John 23. In the face of such unimaginable historic persecution of the written word, it is not strange all that secrecy. What is strange today after revelation of a number of secrets, some people still prefer to defend centuries old errors, and not to face the truth.

What more different did John 23 see, other than what was seen by the magi, Ezekiel and Elijah? Why should the common faithful of any denomination and religion be denied the truth when it finally transpires? Why the demonization of UFO by very skilled persons writing in forums, and preachers (mostly protestant at this time)?

Instead, the historic persecution of all that written word, including the word whether Jesus was married or not, come to tell us the bigger picture was always known to the elite but never accepted. It comes to tell us the elite of old wanted a different, distorted reality and pretty much succeeded in building it in the minds of its subjects.

That already changed. Today we know the truth, to the extend it is shown to us. More, not less accounts of it should we search for. Not denial of existing ones, as many will try to do it including in this forum, but fresh pressure to get even more pieces of the truth.