Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

a reply to: DarksideOz

Guess you missed the hint.
I am not ignoring facts, since you are presenting 0 facts, just assumption.
I used to make those same assumptions, been there done that and know it goes no where.

Don't put to much into your reply, this will be my final response to you.

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

ok, then this begs the question...how in the HELL did they name ryan the shooter with absolutely nothing to go on?

This was my thought as I read the post as well....

a reply to: DarksideOz

Would you please give it a rest already. The thread title is "Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence" and that's what is being discussed here, in a very thorough manner I might add. Speculation about actors and other "suspicious" behaviour is irrelevant to the topic, unless it relates directly to forensic evidence. What can be done with any conflicting evidence is also irrelevant right now.

a reply to: Daedalus

Exactly what I was wondering. One possibility could be the mysterious NY person at the scene informing the arriving officers about the identity, but somehow mixed up the brothers. This implies that this NY man is the same NY man that was a family acquaintance and knew both brothers.

This may also explain why he was identified as a "tactical officer from a neighboring town" at first.

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

ok, then this begs the question...how in the HELL did they name ryan the shooter with absolutely nothing to go on?

By running the car's plates.

The black 2010 Civic was “officially registered” to a Nancy Jean Lanza residing at 36 Yogananda St., Sandy Hook, CT 06482.
Officer, via cell phone, asks (dispatch?) for a “list of all males with a last name of ‘Lanza’ residing at that address”.†

That query returned both a “Ryan J. Lanza, 24” and an “Adam Peter Lanza, 20”, along with the DMV pictures of both brothers.
Official story is that a police officer accidentally “transposed the names of the two brothers”. ‡
“Ryan John Lanza” is listed as living on the 2nd floor of the Metropolitan apartments at 1313 Grand St. Hoboken, NJ. Police then faxed the picture of “Ryan” to the Hoboken police, who were able to recognize him while he walking up to his building.§


† All that they would've really know for sure —is that it's not a blond 52 year old woman. The car could have stolen, a pretty common occurrence immediately preceding the commission of a major crime. Why not first check to see if the car has been reported stolen mm

‡ The word “transposed” (meaning to “change places”), implies that the police actually meant to say “Adam”. Okay, so then why did they think it was Adam?
Furthermore, why would Ryan's name show up as living at that address if he now has a New Jersey Driver's License and a mailing address of Hoboken? He certainly showed up as living in Hoboken, NJ since that's where CSP faxed the drivers license picture!

§ Why would they be ‘looking for him’, period? Why did the FBI tell it's men to ‘hold-off’ breaching the door to his apartment when nobody answered? They waited for over 2 hours until “Ryan” turned the corner to his street and started screaming that ‘it wasn't him that killed those kids’ (and his mom).
Also, Hoboken PD and the FBI thought that the fax depicted the identity of a corpse lying in a first grade classroom 80+ miles away in Connecticut, correct?

a reply to: zazen

Ok thanks .....I looked at the names and didn't see Saiga and forgot it was also an Izhmash.

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

Transposing the name of a suspect in a mass murder is hardly believable. If there was one thing you want to get right that would be it. But why look for Ryan at all if the body of the shooter was left dead on scene? Why would he have been assumed as an accomplice if they thought there might have been a second shooter? That also makes about zero sense - "here's one dead brother, the other must've been in on it". Instead of putting out an APB for Ryan would they have assumed he was back in NJ?

As for not breaching Ryan's apartment how did early reports of him killing his girlfriend get started? Why wouldn't police bash in the door and begin looking for Ryan or evidence of his complicity? Wait for 2 hours? Really?. Again, this would not be standard procedure and has no logical basis.

Ryan had been living in NJ for 2 years and had not seen Adam in that time. I find it impossible to believe he would not return home for Christmas, Mother's Day or Nancy's birthday and not at least poked his head in to Adam's room to say "hello". That is unless there was some major traumatic event that tore the family apart years earlier leading them to completely sever relations.

I don't want to be the one that speculates in a thread that has dine a GREAT job at sticking to the facts, but...

It makes no sense to go after Ryan. You have your shooter dead at the scene and Ryans ID was on Adam's person, (don't know why) not found somewhere on the scene.

If...IF, this was a some kind of fraud meant to dupe not only the public but emergency responders as well, then it would make sense - to me at least - that a few unexplainable errors would be made that served no purpose in the fraud but instead would generate speculations and questions about how the incident was handled. It was not a crime that Ryan was targeted by police but it adds to the confusion and makes connecting the dots even more difficult. A wild goose chase. It can be discredited as errors by law enforcement and used to prop up the blame on THEM.

I say forget about Ryan and what he means to the case. To me it feels like obfuscation.

I just found the evidence report for the 2010 Honda 872YEO........
It is located in 1200704597-45841.........
It lists 10 things from the car and they include the DNA swabs.

The GPS550 is NOT on the list.

Also if you look at 63156 page 5 it says the Siaga shotgun was found in the back seat.
I have read it was leaning up against the car then it was in the front passenger side now the back seat?

63167 is the warrant for the 2010 Honda and it lists the evidence, again no 550 GPS.
It does however claim on page 11 that the previous report of 70 shotgun shells found was incorrect and the correct amount would be 20.
Anyone else find that odd? I need to go find the pictures of those mags because I swear they could hold more than 20 rounds.

originally posted by: SMOKINGGUN2012
Also if you look at 63156 page 5 it says the Siaga shotgun was found in the back seat.
I have read it was leaning up against the car then it was in the front passenger side now the back seat?

The shotgun was found outside the car:

BOOK FOUR
pg24 of 69 (02144)
radio dispatch tape:
Loomis: "Why do you think that car's the suspect?"
O'Donnel: "That's ... that's where.. uh there was a gun or something...a magazine right by that car"
Loomis: "A guns and a magazine by the car"
O'Donnel: "...and that was parked right out front"

Do you get the feeling someone "marked" the car for the benefit of the police?

a reply to: starviego
I don't see a 02144 in book 4 or any book..........you sure that number is right?

I was reading some old articles on the case and stumbled upon this one from the NY daily post dated 12.28.2013.

www.nydailynews.com...

They proudly display Adam's 5th grade composition book in the last photo, however, funny thing eh?, it has Ryan Lanza's name on it Oh, btw, it has the number 610 displayed next to it, as though it is 'official evidence'.

The photo of an alleged Adam Lanza seated with a pistol to his mouth, well, that pic has quite the armament behind it. Numerous loaded 30 rd. mags, 7 or more rifles of various persuasion, what may be a pistol with silencer on the floor behind the seated child, several handguns. I'd like to know the location/origin of this photo, just for the fun of it. Was this Nancy's arsenal?

originally posted by: SMOKINGGUN2012
a reply to: starviego
I don't see a 02144 in book 4 or any book..........you sure that number is right?

The citation is correct.

drive.google.com...
pg24 of 69 (02144)
(23 of 34 in the sub-folder)

a reply to: starviego

Ok from that link thanks. I was looking at book 4 on my downloads.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

There have been some weird things I've noticed regarding Ryan, most of which are probably mistakes of some kind.

One thing is the autopsy report (or some document pertaining thereto) for Adam Lanza which lists RYAN Lanza's birthday instead of Adam's.

Another is a screen grab I saw where someone paid for an online "people search" type service for Adam Lanza just to see what info came up. The results included one alias for Adam Lanza, which was... "Ryan J. Lanza".

Also, Ryan apparently knew about Nancy's death before she was pronounced dead somehow.

Odd stuff.

a reply to: smokenmirrors

I just read that article and it just didn't sit right with me. Not saying that he didn't draw those things or write those stories, but who talks like that when they are in elementary school?

In one story he supposedly writes, “Hi! I’m Bobolicious the Explorer . . . Remember last time when everyone was slaughtered?” he asked. “Well . . . you bread-brain leeches gave me 75 years of prison for that so-called ‘Tragedy’! I was having fun!”

Also, In a section dubbed “The Adventures of Granny,” the title character and a pal dubbed Dora the Beserker visit a day care center.

“Let’s hurt children,” urges Dora, who is eventually arrested for murdering four animals with her six weapons.

Sounds like an adult trying to make up something they think an elementary school kid would write using variations of current kid cartoon characters. Bobolicious the explorer, and Dora the Berserker? Sounds like a mix between Bob the builder and Dora the explorer.

A bit off topic, but just didn't seem normal to me.

originally posted by: zazen
a reply to: Asktheanimals

There have been some weird things I've noticed regarding Ryan, most of which are probably mistakes of some kind.

One thing is the autopsy report (or some document pertaining thereto) for Adam Lanza which lists RYAN Lanza's birthday instead of Adam's.

Unless you were meaning something else, you're probably referring to the page I had posted in your CT State Trooper Testimony… thread.

And while it was not autopsy related, it was in fact even more perplexing.
i.e. it was this:
Authorization for the Release of Records which was signed by Peter John Lanza in the presence of his attorney, Michael English; which lists Adam Lanza's DOB as April 10, 1988†



† Adam P. Lanza's allegedly “official DOB” was/is the 22nd of April, 1992. Ryan John Lanza's allegedly “official DOB” was/is the 10th of April, 1988 (as per the official document shown above, signed by Peter J. Lanza in the presence of his attorney and detectives from the Connecticut State Police)

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

Why would he have been assumed as an accomplice if they thought there might have been a second shooter? That also makes about zero sense - "here's one dead brother, the other must've been in on it". Instead of putting out an APB for Ryan would they have assumed he was back in NJ?

You do not have to be active to be an accomplice. I know that if I was investigating that I would immediatly search for friends and family for information (especially family).
Was his information sent out through the police stations as a "suspect in the shooting" or a "suspect shooter"?

However I do believe and agree that it stinks! Just the fact of what Ryan said when stopped by the police. And His fathers actions.

originally posted by: smokenmirrors
The photo of an alleged Adam Lanza seated with a pistol to his mouth, well, that pic has quite the armament behind it. Numerous loaded 30 rd. mags, 7 or more rifles of various persuasion, what may be a pistol with silencer on the floor behind the seated child, several handguns. I'd like to know the location/origin of this photo, just for the fun of it. Was this Nancy's arsenal?

That was never said to be a picture of A. Lanza
(except by the media).

Per the police report, it is merely a digital photo which was (allegedly) located both:

1. On a sparsely populated computer hard drive (NOTE: not the irrevocably “smashed” hard drive).†
   
2. Recently printed on photo paper, using that HP multi-function Inkjet Printer located in the living room.‡
   
   
   † Which was actually, by all accounts, smashed sometime in March—April of 2012.
   
   ‡ Located right by the stacks upon stacks of printed-out copies of all of Nancy Lanza's email correspondence, going back several years. Boy, Ms. L sure was meticulous when it came to arranging her house in a manner conducive to the collection of evidence during the course of any possible future investigation by federal and state law enforcement agencies. Like for example;
   that folder labeled “GUNS”; which contained all of the receipts, invoices, and gunbroker.com buyer/seller email correspondences.
   
   edit on 23-5-2014 by 3mperorConstantinE because: (no reason given)
   

a reply to: Euphem

And what 10 year old puts rights to his drawings ...
That whole page seems extremly far fetched !

BTW since we are discussing Adam.......I read a report last night that stated Adam refused to EVER take any medication. Apparently he was prescribed some at one time or another. If that is true then the theory of him flipping out due to coming off meds would be 100% false.