Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE
Re. GPS info...What is located at International Dr. (Danbury)? Why was AL going there for hours at a time ( in the middle of the night) on Wednesdays and Saturdays? I am guessing he did not have a girlfriend, so wtf was he doing? Seems like after those late night trips subsided is when he started "scoping out" Newtown/SH. There could be a logical explanation that i am overlooking. Just seems like somewhat odd behavior to me.

a reply to: abdctd

It is a very short road with a Best Buy, Loews, and Loews theaters.
What is open at 1-2 am?

It's a shopping center near a major intersection:



That's about 20 minutes away per google maps:



I doubt anything there is open during the hours Lanza's GPS shows it was there.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Sremmos80

There is surveillance video of him driving in the parking lot, circling a few times and then leaving that was not released that I have read of. There were 2 police cars in the HS lot also which was said to deter also. Sandy Hook was a softer target in the end it would seem. This is where he was bullied. No one will ever know for sure.

To the extent possible, let us strive to keep our words in this thread a rare, island repository of facts in a vast sea of inaccurate reports.
To determine whether or not these reported facts are consistent with actual, scientific facts, is a difficult enough task as it is.
Let's not compound the difficulty…

a reply to: jadedANDcynical
Thank you for posting the maps. Even if there were a store in the area that was open 24/7, would it be normal for a person to spend 3 or 4 hrs shopping in the middle of the night? If a theatre was open all night (none in my city are that i know of), that would fall in line with him playing Dance Revolution for hours on end. But store hrs in the area are something i don't have info on.
Just looked up showtimes for that zpecific theatre, and tbe latest one i saw started at 10:45 pm. Looks like he was showing up in the area right after ppl would have cleared out.

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE
Since it appears you have looked at the GPS material in the final report I have both a comment and a question.

1) GPS could have been in any car, not necessarily the Honda nor was Adam the only possible driver. Nancy could well have used the GPS in either the Honda or her own car. I think it's a mistake to assume the GPS was only in the Honda while Adam was driving.

2) Did you look at the avg speeds per the GPS on some of those trips? I don't use one but it seems 145mph is a trifle fast for any road. Many of the trips posted such excessive speeds. Is there an alternate explanation for this aside from actually driving that fast?

I think either the time and or am/pm were wrong on the gps as it appears it was just trips to either shop or see a movie as some of them are for 2-3 hours.

a reply to: SMOKINGGUN2012
What makes you think that the times are wrong? Yes, movies and shopping can last 2-3 hrs. Is that the only reason you think the times are wrong or the am pm may have been flipped? Or do you have other info that leads you.to believe this? I'm not saying you are wrong, just curious how you came to this conclusion.

The time stamps are correct.

Second paragraph of the first GPS page I posted:

(Customer Service Rep) Rachele (phonetic) explained that the Garmin Nuvi 200 obtains its time via satellite and cannot be manipulated by an individual. Therefore, the frames depicted throughout this report represent an actual time stamp.

@Asktheanimals:
That's a correct deduction, in that the GPS's journey records doesn't necessarily mean that it was A. Lanza doing the driving.
It also doesn't necessarily indicate that the GPS system was even installed in the black 2010 Honda while the machine recorded the list of:
(Timestamp, Latitude, Longitude) entries.

a reply to: NickDC202

another thing that's curious about this, is that it says a number of the routes taken were for the theater...if he played DDR there as often as everyone says, it would stand to reason that he wouldn't need to punch this "local" theater into his GPS every friggin time he went there.....unless, of course he thought the voice on his GPS was like, the sexiset s**t ever... -shrug-

also, it says there are a number of routes starting and ending with 36 yogananda...and they go all over town? am i the only one having a problem with this?....it doesn't make sense to me...if your starting and ending point are the same, usually the GPS will say "you have reached your destination", as soon as you hit the start button....or, if it's one of the cheaper models, it will either laugh at you, or explode...

a reply to: Asktheanimals

As for the speed anomaly I can say that when I owned a cheaper Garmin navi it would show erratic speeds when going under bridges and through heavy tree cover. Due to the loss of signal to the satellites I believe. Now that I have a better system I have not noticed this.. That might explain that for you.

Not to take away from the GPS discussion, but can anyone help me out with any specifics regarding the weapons kerfluffle in the aftermath of the incident? Specifically, what weapons were originally said to be found at the scene, and how did that info change thereafter?

I'm asking because I came across a document saying that the weapons were the Glock nearby, the Sig Sauer (sp?) in his pocket and a third weapon "holstered". No mention of a rifle.

Officially he only had the two pistols and the AR-15, correct?

Firstly, a reply to: Asktheanimals, who asked:
Q:

Did you look at the avg speeds? ——>snip

A:
To give the complete, technical answer, would take quite a few pages.
To sum it up as succinctly as possible:
Whenever the GPS switches over to using a different satellite, its position gives a jump in coordinative value, which the distance/time integration function will interpret as being a massive acceleration (2nd derivative of position = d²x/dt²), or even a massive jerk (‘surge’ = the 3rd derivative of position = d³x/dt³).
This error will manifest itself as the route displaying the aforementioned breakneck speeds.

Moving on, let's have some fun, shall we? And we'll see who all has been paying attention.

Earlier I posted the rudimentary waypoint data which the FBI had extracted from the Garmin Nuvi Model 200 GPS which was seized from the residence of 36 Yogananda St. upon the execution of a search warrant, and given to the Eastern District Major Crime Squad for analysis.


Here's where it pays to have an eidetic memory:

Now, let's see what the FBI gave to the Western District Major Crime Squad.
Why, it's the extracted data from a Garmin Nuvi Model 550 GPS which was found in the 2010 black Honda located in the parking lot of the Sandy Hook Elementary School on 14 Dec 2012.

~Pay close attention, because based on what I just said, we now have—under one single piece of evidence (filed as “exhibit #58” †)—two different models of Garmin Nuvi GPS systems, found in two different places …



(the following picture is condensed from material which spans several pages in the report)




~Constantine

† Just to preempt somebody from proposing an otherwise possible solution, this means that no, the driver wasn't cruising around rural Connecticut with two GPS systems hooked up in his car.

a reply to: zazen

The final tally on weapons from the final report:

Found on or near shooter in room #10 -
AR15 Bushmaster .223 semi-automatic rifle w/ 7 or 8 30 rd. mags (152? rds fired) - weapons are correct, numbers from memory.
Sig Sauer P226 9mm in front left pants pocket w/ extra mags (no rounds fired)
Glock model 20 10mm on floor (suicide weapon) (2 rounds fired)

Found in Car -
Izmash/ Saiga 12 ga. semi-auto shotgun (not used at SHES)

Initial reports claimed that only handguns were used, reports varied from 2 or 4.
Reports from the following day claimed an AR15 was used then there were varying combinations depending on which news source you looked at.

I don't know if the video is still available but if you watch carefully you can see police technicians walking away with 2 long weapons pulled from the trunk of the Honda. Video was shot from a helicopter at night and edited but the same man is holding the AR15 backwards in his right hand (muzzle facing down and backwards) while carrying the Saiga 12 ga in his left hand (barrel facing up).
First of all, why would anyone wait that late to check the guns in the car? They had all afternoon. Why have it shot from a chopper which they knew was there? My suspicion is that with poor lighting and a quick edit they could remove 2 guns and no one would be the wiser for it.

See my post near the bottom of the page for pictures - www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: abdctd
I have no other info just that spending time at a movie or shopping at best buy seems more like 1-4 pm rather than am.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Thanks for that. Was the AR-15 in any way "holstered" to his body? This document mentions a third weapon in a holster but does not specify what type of weapon. I assumed when I read it that it was another pistol of some kind.

a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE
Didn't the officer that found the shotgun in the front seat then put it in the trunk?
I always found that scene strange when they are taking it out. Shouldn't they have already known it was there?