Sandy Hook Forensic Evidence

a reply to: DarksideOz

lol, and once again, you appear to have completely ignored just about everything i said....

i'm done wasting my time on you. you're obviously deficient in not only reading comprehension, but also basic conversation skills.

have a real nice life.

a reply to: spirited75

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Haha........."I am a threat to this thread", yet I seem to be one of the very few keeping this thread going and stopping it disappearing to the internet abyss.

If you think that this is not a false-flag attack, and the official story says Adam Lanza acted ALONE, then who owns the DNA on the envelope, considering that Lanza acted ALONE ?

Who were the men running from the scene, if Lanza acted ALONE ?

Who fired the shots from outside of the building if the FORENSIC EVIDENCE is correct, considering that we are told that Lanza acted ALONE ?

Who was the actor posing as a parent on camera ?

Instead of getting upset at these questions, try and answer them

a reply to: DarksideOz

Who was the actor posing as a parent on camera ?

This right her prove that you didn't heed a word that deaduls is saying.
That kind of talk gets threads shut down, if you need proof go to the LOL section. Plenty of explanations that any mention of actors is considered a LIE.

Robbie parker is not the smoking gun, yes it is weird but there is so much other things to focus on, hence the almost 200 flags on a topic no where near that.
You are not keeping this thread going, you are derailing it.
If you feel the need to talk about crisis actors then go to the LOL section.
PLENTY of SH threads in there you can knock your self out in.
But i guess all good things do have to come to an end.

a reply to: Sremmos80

So how does asking a question get this thread closed down ? You made the comment, now provide a logical answer to it !

And you're response also proves that you have not read a word that I have written. What human being laughs and jokes "off camera" but then instantly [including taking a deep breath as he got into character] turns on the sad face and tears as soon as action is called. Not just what human being, but what human being PARENT behaves like this. How do YOU explain the laughing and joking off camera considering the seriousness of the incident ?

Who else would do this other than an actor ? No seriously, WHO else would do this ? I don't mean actor as in starring in movies, I mean someone playing the role of someone else, an actor. And what do all good actors do, they play their role !

The evidence is this guys ACTIONS. Why did the "grieving" start as soon as the camera rolled, taking into account what a good, happy mood he appeared to be in SECONDS before the transition of jokester into Mr.Serious.

So based on what I have just said, how is asking that question threatening to have the thread closed ?

Do you really think that your forensic evidence is going to change the "official story" ? Do you honestly think that in 50 years time that the history books will have anyone but Adam Lanza as the "lone gunman" ? Who do the history books say killed JFK 50 years later, despite the forensic evidence that severally contradicts the official story ? Who do you think the history books will say planned 9/11 in 50 years time, despite the forensic evidence that severally contradicts the official story ? Now what do you think those same history books are going to say about Sandyhook in 50 years time, despite the forensic evidence severally contradicting the official story ? The official story is what ever the officials want it to be.

You can gather all the forensic evidence you want, but answer this simple question.................WHO are you going to take it to, and what do you REALLY expect to happen once you take it to them ?

a reply to: DarksideOz

So how does asking a question get this thread closed down ? You made the comment, now provide a logical answer to it !

I told you the logical explanation, you just don't want to accept it.

That kind of talk gets threads shut down, if you need proof go to the LOL section. Plenty of explanations that any mention of actors is considered a LIE.
^^^ There it is again
Claiming that any of the families were involved or actors is a no no on ATS, SO has made that clear.
Take note of the great footnote that EC put at the start of this thread. He didn't take the time to do that if there wasn't a reason.

You can gather all the forensic evidence you want, but answer this simple question.................WHO are you going to take it to, and what do you REALLY expect to happen once you take it to them?

And where are you going to take your claims of actors??
And what do your REALLY expect to happen once you take it to them?

originally posted by: starviego
BOOK THREE

pg 13 of 73
dated Jan 7, 2013
"The consent was given in order to download video surveillance from the (Newtown)high school's camera system."

What happened at Newtown High School that they'd want to review the video tape?

I believe there was a report that Lanza drove by the high school first so I assume they were looking into that.

a reply to: DarksideOz

I've asked management to remove your posts and review with you the guidelines regarding this topic so the thread is not shut down.

a reply to: SMOKINGGUN2012

Yes, the high school had an RO onsite and he did not stop.

a reply to: matafuchs

Well that might be the case, can't really say for sure can you?
Fair it does sound highly likely, but if the info about adam that is out, seems like the elementary school was always the target.
Well that is what I get from chimp stories anyway

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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: matafuchs

Well that might be the case, can't really say for sure can you?
Fair it does sound highly likely, but if the info about adam that is out, seems like the elementary school was always the target.
Well that is what I get from chimp stories anyway

In the days following 12/14 there was a rumor circulating around Newtown High School† that Adam Lanza had first driven to the high school, whilst on his way to Sandy Hook Elementary in his black Honda Civic, listening to the euphonious drone of the Chaz & A.J. Morning Show on the local classic rock station.‡

The state police got calls concerning this rumor, so the CSP confiscated and reviewed the 12/14 camera footage from NHS, and concluded that it was a false lead.

The rumor was premised on the fact that a similar-looking black sedan had pulled into the NHS parking lot.
It's all in the report, even the pictures of the car.*

† Newtown High School Resource Officer is Jason Flynn, one of the first on scene, as well as one of the few officers who describe in detail seeing the body Adam Lanza. Since the body lying in Room #10 appeared to be that of an “adolescent” or “teenager”, one of the lieutenants sought out Officer Flynn to see if he recognized Lanza from the high school.
As expected, more detail is in the police report, but I have a feeling that you may want to read this article if you haven't already.

He saw two lifeless bodies and "the biggest pool of blood that I've ever seen," he said. For a split-second, he thought it was a mock scene, a training drill, because it was "so real it didn't seem real."

‡ 99.1 WPLR-FM out of New Haven/Milford. “Connecticut's #1 Rock Station!”
On a semi-ironic note, one year earlier J. Paul Vance Jr. called into the Chaz and A.J. Morning Show to nominate his father, chief spokesperson for the Connecticut State Police, as an ideal candidate to audition for the hit television show Survivor.
The radio DJ's concurred, under the condition that Vance Sr. must agree to attend the audition wearing a Hawaiian (grass) skirt.
These facts are not relevant to anything …
… save for helping to give a glimpse; a briefly omniscient, bird’s-eye view of the tangled, spaghetti-like knot of human world-lines—and the ‘6 degrees of separation’ that link us all. §

* If anybody wants/cares, I'll post it—just let me know.

§ The ‘6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon’, if you live below the Mason-Dixon Line.
And yes, this is a footnote to … a footnote.

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: 3mperorConstantinE

I agree that it shouldn't devolve to what these threads usually devolve to. However that poster seems to only want to make assumptions and state them as fact when they fit their belief.

Sorry that irks me to no end. Great thread here OP.

I really have no belief about what happened that day. My goal in the post that upset you was to try to keep the train on the tracks; I've seen countless SHES threads "retired" and this is probably the best, most focused thread that's been presented-- thanks to 3mperorConstantinE's diligent research and specific focus in creating this thread.

The yellow flags that usually proceed these threads being "retired" are pretty obvious to me, so after seeing that giant yellow flag and giving that poster a few posts to understand what their deal is, I attempted to play traffic cop and keep the focus on the specific forensic topics that 3mperorConstantinE has established this thread to examine. When someone tries to derail it, it is helpful for them and everyone interested in those subjects not related to this thread if that poster created a thread to specifically address that topic.

Just trying to help.

As far as AL's corpse being at SHES that day, the photo seems to indicate his lifeless body being at SHES. That's all I was stating on that topic.

Otherwise the post that upset you was simply me trying to be helpful and keep an important, interesting discussion alive.

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE

originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: RationalDespair

no worries, i MIGHT be mistaken on that....i need to recheck the materials(could take a while, because there's a lot)....OR if constantine sees this, and searches it, we'll get our answer sooner...

Nah bud, you're right — suicide bullet embedded found above the ceiling of Room #8
He shot himself in Room #10*

* CORRECTION: I'd mistakenly written “Room #8” in this post, but it's too late to edit. Shot himself from that impossible angle in Room #10. Bullet found above ceiling of Room #8.

Wow.
I'm guessing the report doesn't explain how the bullet made it through AL's head in room #10, somehow travelled through the wall between room 8 & room 10 (without leaving a mark) and reappearing in room #8 and continuing to travel vertically and go through the ceiling tile in room 8.

It's a shame Arlen Specter is dead, he's usually helpful to explain how such a thing happens...

originally posted by: zazen

originally posted by: Jusvistn
a reply to: SMOKINGGUN2012

I don't see anywhere that it states what type of adhesive envelope it was, only that it was a sealed white envelope. If it was a glue strip where you pull the plastic covering off, then there would be no DNA from licking the glue to seal the envelope. If it was the kind you have to "lick", then it is still possible no DNA was found from saliva. I use a moist cloth or sponge to moisten those myself, so IMO, that could provide an explanation for that.

Well, there was DNA obtained from the envelope.

New York DNA on the envelope and, as we learned in the official report:

Police also briefly handcuffed and detained at the Newtown police station a New York man who was working in a neighboring town and showed up at the school after receiving a news alert about it on his phone.

Source: New Haven Register

Wonder if LE compared the DNA of random NYer in the woods with random NYer DNA on the envelope...

originally posted by: 3mperorConstantinE

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: matafuchs

Well that might be the case, can't really say for sure can you?
Fair it does sound highly likely, but if the info about adam that is out, seems like the elementary school was always the target.
Well that is what I get from chimp stories anyway

In the days following 12/14 there was a rumor circulating around Newtown High School† that Adam Lanza had first driven to the high school, whilst on his way to Sandy Hook Elementary in his black Honda Civic, listening to the euphonious drone of the Chaz & A.J. Morning Show on the local classic rock station.‡

The state police got calls concerning this rumor, so the CSP confiscated and reviewed the 12/14 camera footage from NHS, and concluded that it was a false lead.

The rumor was premised on the fact that a similar-looking black sedan had pulled into the NHS parking lot.
It's all in the report, even the pictures of the car.*

† Newtown High School Resource Officer is Jason Flynn, one of the first on scene, as well as one of the few officers who describe in detail seeing the body Adam Lanza. Since the body lying in Room #10 appeared to be that of an “adolescent” or “teenager”, one of the lieutenants sought out Officer Flynn to see if he recognized Lanza from the high school.
As expected, more detail is in the police report, but I have a feeling that you may want to read this article if you haven't already.

He saw two lifeless bodies and "the biggest pool of blood that I've ever seen," he said. For a split-second, he thought it was a mock scene, a training drill, because it was "so real it didn't seem real."

‡ 99.1 WPLR-FM out of New Haven/Milford. “Connecticut's #1 Rock Station!”
On a semi-ironic note, one year earlier J. Paul Vance Jr. called into the Chaz and A.J. Morning Show to nominate his father, chief spokesperson for the Connecticut State Police, as an ideal candidate to audition for the hit television show Survivor.
The radio DJ's concurred, under the condition that Vance Sr. must agree to attend the audition wearing a Hawaiian (grass) skirt.
These facts are not relevant to anything …
… save for helping to give a glimpse; a briefly omniscient, bird’s-eye view of the tangled, spaghetti-like knot of human world-lines—and the ‘6 degrees of separation’ that link us all. §

* If anybody wants/cares, I'll post it—just let me know.

§ The ‘6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon’, if you live below the Mason-Dixon Line.
And yes, this is a footnote to … a footnote.

Thank You for this most interesting material from the report

From the Sedensky Report (Page 25)

During the search of 36 Yogananda Street, a global positioning system (GPS) device was located in the shooter’s room with various routes in the memory from April 25, 2012, through December 13, 2012. Investigation revealed that the GPS was purchased for the shooter.

The routes taken indicate a number of trips from 36 Yogananda Street to the area of a local theater where a commercial version of the game “Dance Dance Revolution” is located. Over that time period, trips were made that took the driver in the vicinity of some schools in Newtown, including SHES. On December 13, 2012, a trip was recorded from 2:09 p.m. to 2:32 p.m. starting and ending on Yogananda Street and driving in Sandy Hook, which is in the area of SHES, though the route does not indicate the shooter drove up to the school.

A couple things:
- So they explain the reason that they found the GPS at 36 Yogananda is stating "he drove the route the day before so he wouldn't need his GPS" and he took it out of his car and left it in his bedroom?

- Does the longer report have more detailed raw data from AL's GPS?

originally posted by: NickDC202
A couple things:
- So they explain the reason that they found the GPS at 36 Yogananda is stating "he drove the route the day before so he wouldn't need his GPS" and he took it out of his car and left it in his bedroom?

- Does the longer report have more detailed raw data from AL's GPS?

Yes, and is a productive investigative line of inquiry.

I will post all of the GPS “journey entries” here.

While it may not seem like much, trust me when I say that there is more here than meets the eye. ✦










~Constantine

✦ The italics are NOT incidental; and are more deliberate than may be conveyed at this point in time.

a reply to: Sremmos80

There is surveillance video of him driving in the parking lot, circling a few times and then leaving that was not released that I have read of. There were 2 police cars in the HS lot also which was said to deter also. Sandy Hook was a softer target in the end it would seem. This is where he was bullied. No one will ever know for sure.