want to fight climate change? go vegan

a reply to: Bob Sholtz

i thought that was your source of misinformation. a book written in 1996.

Doesnt this count as intellectual dishonesty? Labelling it misinformation, when it is backed by TONS of scientific data, sure seems like fallacy to me.

But, for your information, The book you reference is but one of dozens of sources that I have studied. I have also spoken to nutritionists and doctors about it.

here's a more recent actual scientific study showing type A to have been the most common blood type

Ummm, ok? I never said a thing about "the most common". You are reaching really hard here to try and discredit this, and doing a poor job of it.

and more research debunking the general blood type diet www.webmd.com...

ROFL. "Debunking"? That does nothing of the sort, and its pretty obvious you didnt even read what you cite as that is speaking of weight loss on the diet, not health benefits.

From your source:

It's hard to tell whether the Blood Type Diet works, because there haven't been any studies directly comparing weight loss and health in people who were on the diet against those who weren't. Only one study has evaluated this kind of diet. It found that people with certain blood types got more of a cholesterol-lowering benefit from eating a low-fat diet. But it didn't prove that the Blood Type Diet works for weight loss.

WEIGHT LOSS.
Why the dishonesty?

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: rickymouse
Meat has chemistry that calms people. Start taking away the meat from the meat eaters and they will kill all the vegans and maybe eat them.

Huh!!
If thats so then wouldn't the vegans already be ready to kill the meat eaters who were still calm?

The need for meat has to do with some people, not all the people. It has to do with enzyme production, a metabolic issue.

a reply to: Bob Sholtz

I know some people who raise certified organic grassfed beef. They eat the stuff in the field and their waste fertilizes this area. They use the cowmanure in their garden also. Little impact at all on the environment. Now grassfed Limosine don't fart so much, that is because they eat less than say angus beef. It takes longer for them to grow though, that is why this country isn't growing them that much commercially anymore. It's all about making a buck as fast as possible here. There is an article out there written by some big European agency researching it. I read this about three months ago. So choosing a slower growing cow with a better metabolism is all it would take to fix this problem.

well now,
We have another "save the planet crusader" claimimg everyone is selfish and lazy because they choose to not follow his ways.

Too friggin bad "dude" I like steak, cheeseburgers, pork chops, and the like. It is none of your business what I CHOOSE to eat.

Now excuse me while I go pick out a big pack of MEAT from the freezer.

I'm going to dedicate my next grilling to you.

You have no idea what I do to help out the environment. You do not know me.

a reply to: Char-Lee

Not all people can eat the calming foods in the vegetable world. This is well known by some in medicine.

a reply to: Char-Lee

Not all people can eat the calming foods in the vegetable world. This is well known by some in medicine.

a reply to: captaintyinknots

As I already said-O types need more protein, and absorb plant proteins at an extremely inefficient rate.

and i'm saying that the only sources i can find that recommend that go back to a single book; and every scientific study i've looked at completely disagrees.

The Blood Type Diet, developed by Dr. Peter D’Adamo, encourages people with type O blood types to eat mostly meat, but avoid grains and dairy foods. However, New York University Langone Medical Center reports altering your diet based on your blood type is not recommended, and is not backed by scientific evidence.

healthyeating.sfgate.com...

Deflection fallacy. If you can appeal to morals (which are totally and completely subjective), I can CERTAINLY appeal to nature, which is scientific fact.

a deflection fallacy is an attempt to change the subject. i'm pointing out that your appeal to nature as a justification is fallacious; i'm not changing the subject. on the natural fallacy:

Many 'natural' things are also considered 'good', and this can bias our thinking; but naturalness itself doesn't make something good or bad. For instance murder could be seen as very natural, but that doesn't mean it's good or justifiable.

yourlogicalfallacyis.com...

Do I need to link to the dozens of articles backing the blood type diet?

i would like scientific studies, not opinion pieces.

Yep, I know who Kimberly Snyder is. Do you know why she is known? Because she continues to attack the blood type diet, even as it is getting backed with more and more data. Thats it. Thats her claim to fame.

she's wrong because she attacks the blood type diet? that isn't valid reasoning.

Again, typical vegan. "Me perspective is fact. There is no other way". Again, animals ABSOLUTELY matter to me. Nature matters to me as well. It is not fallacy. It is natural order.

i gave my reason as to why your position is wrong, and your response is "see?! typical vegan. you said i'm wrong again. you must be wrong." define "nature" and "natural order". also google appeal to nature fallacy please.

I happen to be a strict vagitarian. I'm not sure it's going to save the planet though but I really don't mind helping out if it does help.

Too friggin bad "dude" I like steak, cheeseburgers, pork chops, and the like. It is none of your business what I CHOOSE to eat.

really? what if i choose to eat you?

i like sex, therefore it is none of your business what i choose to have sex with or how i procure it, right?

using personal pleasure as a justification to kill and cause harm isn't valid.

a reply to: TKDRL

a nice easy life lounging on a farm

Maybe you should look a little deeper into where your food comes from.

a reply to: Char-Lee
I live a whopping 6 miles away, already picked out and named the cow I am going to buy. I call her Oprah Winniefree. I visit her from time to time to make sure she is still healthy and living the good life. She is a good cow, and she will be delicious.

a reply to: Bob Sholtz

and i'm saying that the only sources i can find that recommend that go back to a single book; and every scientific study i've looked at completely disagrees.

Well, you must have done a lot of research in the last hour to have it debunked. Good on you.

a deflection fallacy is an attempt to change the subject. i'm pointing out that your appeal to nature as a justification is fallacious; i'm not changing the subject. on the natural fallacy:

You are now bordering on trolling.

Again, it is no more fallacious for me to cite natural order than it is for you to use (completely subjective) morals as your backing.
To try and turn it into a conversation about fallacy, as opposed to the very real rebuttal made, it, in fact, a deflection.

she's wrong because she attacks the blood type diet? that isn't valid reasoning.

Even more dishonesty from your side. I never said she was wrong. I said she was a person who only has a career because she attacks the diet.

And its true.

She openly makes it her mission to attack the diet. havent seen much as far as "scientific data" from her, just her opinion, (as was the case with the other two links you provided). So tell me: why do you choose to cherry pick 3 sources that dispute the diet, while ignoring the dozens of others that back it?

i gave my reason as to why your position is wrong, and your response is "see?! typical vegan. you said i'm wrong again. you must be wrong." define "nature" and "natural order". also google appeal to nature fallacy please.

No, you said there was no other way but how you see it. Here, ill quote you, so you remember:

IF animals matter morally (we are animals also, do not forget) then there is but one option.

Problem is, for the third time, this is only your perspective. Thus, my statement holds.

also google appeal to nature fallacy please.

You can keep throwing this out there all you want. If you can appeal to morals(subjective), then logic dictates I can appeal to nature(factual). Quite simple.

So, where is your 'scientific data' that states eating animals is immoral? Where is your 'scientific data' that shows everyone is healthier on a vegan diet? Where is you 'scientific data' that shows bllod type dieting to be a sham?

originally posted by: Bob Sholtz

Too friggin bad "dude" I like steak, cheeseburgers, pork chops, and the like. It is none of your business what I CHOOSE to eat.

really? what if i choose to eat you?

i like sex, therefore it is none of your business what i choose to have sex with or how i procure it, right?

using personal pleasure as a justification to kill and cause harm isn't valid.

Using personal emotions to dictate what is right and wrong for others, is, likewise, not valid.

originally posted by: knowwhat
I happen to be a strict vagitarian. I'm not sure it's going to save the planet though but I really don't mind helping out if it does help.

Fun stuff

And it's important to point out, as the authors note, that the participants following vegetarian diets also tended to be more highly educated, to drink less alcohol, to smoke less and exercise more compared with the participants who regularly consumed meat.

Interesting study
www.npr.org...

The best indication of evolution is the ability to avoid your most feared predators. For humans today, the most common cause of death is heart disease or cancer – diseases caused by eating animal products.

Using that logic, diving into a bacon sarnie of a morning is akin to one of our ancestors mooning a sabre tooth tiger to see what the outcome is likely to be.

www.theveganwoman.com...

But if you eat plants then what will create the oxygen to breathe?... how ever if you eat those pesky animals, who's farts are causing the supposed "climate change" you would be doing more to save the world. reply to: BlueMule

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: Char-Lee

Not all people can eat the calming foods in the vegetable world. This is well known by some in medicine.

Are there people who can't eat vegetables?

I like you and I once many years ago felt just like you on this issue so I do know your side of things generally.

thing is venison tastes so much better than beef. hunt during deer season in washington, idaho and colorado to taste the difference between beef and venison. it kind of makes me wish i could hunt buffalo but our ancestors had to be dicks. but yeah venison, elk, wild animals that have been eating due to preference instead of the metal thing being filled up with food. i have tasted the difference and will get my license to hunt

originally posted by: rockoperawriter
thing is venison tastes so much better than beef. hunt during deer season in washington, idaho and colorado to taste the difference between beef and venison. it kind of makes me wish i could hunt buffalo but our ancestors had to be dicks. but yeah venison, elk, wild animals that have been eating due to preference instead of the metal thing being filled up with food. i have tasted the difference and will get my license to hunt

Its the same with home raised beef and poultry (all i eat). The taste difference is palpable, and the digestibility is night and day different.

Dang, now Im hungry. Cant wait to go eat a nice thick chicken breast tonight (while still respecting the animal's life and the sacrifice it gave so that I could have nourishment)

a reply to: captaintyinknots

now i'm hungry. personally i eat vegetarian and meat stuff. why choose?

So, where is your 'scientific data' that states eating animals is immoral?

ok, now i know i'm being trolled. good day.