Mental Illness Conspiracy: ADHD, Manic Depression, Schizophrenia, and etc.

I would never trust any expert who says anything, unless they being cross examined in a court of law under penalties of perjury. That is the Federal Rules of Evidence on Expert Witness Testimony. You can look it up.

Here are the federal rules for evidence www.law.cornell.edu...

Please note the entire chapter dedicated to ARTICLE VII. OPINIONS AND EXPERT TESTIMONY

Rule 701. Opinion Testimony by Lay Witnesses
Rule 702. Testimony by Expert Witnesses
Rule 703. Bases of an Expert’s Opinion Testimony
Rule 704. Opinion on an Ultimate Issue
Rule 705. Disclosing the Facts or Data Underlying an Expert’s Opinion
Rule 706. Court-Appointed Expert Witnesses

a reply to: intrptr

I also agree that diagnosis of mental health issues is waaay off the mark. The proof of that is the meds don't cure anything. They only subdue symptoms or the awareness of symptoms so the larger world doesn't have to deal with the root cause of the problem. We aren't healing anything, we are medicating it. We are covering it up. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am sorry but your above statement is completely not true. Most mental health illness is not curable...I am not talking about clinical depression i. e. type of depression that will respond favorably to antidepressants..

Bipolar illness, schizophrenia are life long diseases there is no cure. Fortunately their are meds that can manage the symptoms and give that person a better quality of life...I am an advocate of different types of therapies to assist in helping someone stabilize. Meaning no hallucinations or delusions..No break with reality....

The focus needs to be on research...we need scientist of the mind and the nervous system to commit to finding something that would cure MI. I am sure I am not alone in that desire.

Thanks,
Pax

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Teetotaler

The issue of the TREATMENT OF CHOICE for DEPRESSION

[i.e. not brain stroke, car accident caused depression]

IS:

COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY.

1. it's far more effective.
2. Its effects last a lifetime.
3. There's no negative side effects.

It does require motivation and work--usually with a skilled well trained therapist.

I'm not sure I really get the gist or focus of your rant, however.

Is the mental health field a mess? Yes.

Is the Oligarchy complicit in using the mental health field, meds, techniques, research etc. against the global populace? ABSOLUTELY.

Does the Oligarchy use mental health stuff to hurt, ignore, damage, mistreat veterans even more than they have already used and abused them? Certainly.

Are there a LOT of really caring and very skilled mental health practitioners doing veterans, individuals, marriages, children and families a LOT OF GOOD? ABSOLUTELY.

Do a lot of mental health professionals damage far too many clients far too much? Yup.

The research indicates that the best therapists come from two sources:

1. Very damaged folks who HAVE SUCCESSFULLY WORKED THEIR OWN MENTAL/EMOTIONAL ISSUES THROUGH.

2. The cream of the crop of the fairly healthy, well trained professionals.

I argue the point that therapy is just the profession of dealing with irrational people. I remember when I was depressed, it was based on an internal factor of physical illness which you would call mental. Everyone on Earth is not enlightened to the point of pure self actualization. For example, someone who has been self enlightened would not (in most cases) harm anyone because they would find it fairly negative to their ultimate agenda and slightly beneath it. You are replying to a so called schizophrenic whom is actually a product of schizoaffective disorder and I can tell you that your version of reality changes and almost warps into a perfectionist state producing a person prone to delusions. I automatically thought that I was somewhere between Christ and Lucifer. I'll give you kudos that a therapist was needed at that specific time, but once I was blessed to learn about esotericism and that Christ reveals hidden knowledge to the few (and Christ's conversation with Nicodemus about being born again with water and spirit, I automatically knew he was talking about a transformed ego and a self-manifestation of heaven within self). With this I was able to see all the manipulation around me and was able to stop, prevent, and confront it entirely because evil knows evil best.

I digressed. The only reason I brought up the religious part is to remind everybody that each person is accountable for their own actions and the products of low self esteem in say a sociopath is no excuse to commit harm and to treat such an individual would require therapy versus someone who literally mentally escaped the matrix of the mind from society.

Just to point out op Aspburgers is not an illness nor a disease.
Also you still call it manic depression? It is now called bi polar here in the uk.
Also to add meds don't work on their own much of the time, therapy like Bo Xian said is more of a cornerstone in mental health treatment now...at least in the places I worked in....with great results also.

I think in the UK we don't have a problem as much in Doctors pushing certain drugs because they get paid more because we have socialised medicine .

originally posted by: Teetotaler
The DSM-IV is inadequate at determining mental health issues and the DSM-V creates a mockery of every human beings on Earth.

DSM-IV is better than the newer DSM-V. IMHO

It is my opinion that all "mental illnesses", ... are traceable to manic depression and the Schizophrenic gene

ALL?? Really? WHY? What makes you say that ALL mental illness are traceable to one gene? I'm seriously not seeing it.

originally posted by: Teetotaler

originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Teetotaler

The issue of the TREATMENT OF CHOICE for DEPRESSION

[i.e. not brain stroke, car accident caused depression]

IS:

COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL THERAPY.

1. it's far more effective.
2. Its effects last a lifetime.
3. There's no negative side effects.

It does require motivation and work--usually with a skilled well trained therapist.

I'm not sure I really get the gist or focus of your rant, however.

Is the mental health field a mess? Yes.

Is the Oligarchy complicit in using the mental health field, meds, techniques, research etc. against the global populace? ABSOLUTELY.

Does the Oligarchy use mental health stuff to hurt, ignore, damage, mistreat veterans even more than they have already used and abused them? Certainly.

Are there a LOT of really caring and very skilled mental health practitioners doing veterans, individuals, marriages, children and families a LOT OF GOOD? ABSOLUTELY.

Do a lot of mental health professionals damage far too many clients far too much? Yup.

The research indicates that the best therapists come from two sources:

1. Very damaged folks who HAVE SUCCESSFULLY WORKED THEIR OWN MENTAL/EMOTIONAL ISSUES THROUGH.

2. The cream of the crop of the fairly healthy, well trained professionals.

I argue the point that therapy is just the profession of dealing with irrational people. I remember when I was depressed, it was based on an internal factor of physical illness which you would call mental. Everyone on Earth is not enlightened to the point of pure self actualization. For example, someone who has been self enlightened would not (in most cases) harm anyone because they would find it fairly negative to their ultimate agenda and slightly beneath it. You are replying to a so called schizophrenic whom is actually a product of schizoaffective disorder and I can tell you that your version of reality changes and almost warps into a perfectionist state producing a person prone to delusions. I automatically thought that I was somewhere between Christ and Lucifer. I'll give you kudos that a therapist was needed at that specific time, but once I was blessed to learn about esotericism and that Christ reveals hidden knowledge to the few (and Christ's conversation with Nicodemus about being born again with water and spirit, I automatically knew he was talking about a transformed ego and a self-manifestation of heaven within self). With this I was able to see all the manipulation around me and was able to stop, prevent, and confront it entirely because evil knows evil best.

I digressed. The only reason I brought up the religious part is to remind everybody that each person is accountable for their own actions and the products of low self esteem in say a sociopath is no excuse to commit harm and to treat such an individual would require therapy versus someone who literally mentally escaped the matrix of the mind from society.

Why would you make a comment about sociopathy to make a point on MI? Sociopathy is a personality disorder and is not even diagnosed on the same axis as mental illness. Plus low self esteem is not associated with sociopathy but that's really a side issue.

Anyway, aside from that I agree with a lot of what you've said. The issues I have with psychotropics and the like is the lack of guidelines for juvenile doses which are left up to the discretion of the doctor who is usually basing it off the adult guidelines. I also think cognitive therapy is extremely valid but each patient is different. Some may require med therapy long term and some may only need it until they get far enough into their behavioral plan. Regardless, each patient must be treated as an individual and their treatment team must be flexible enough to provide the best treatment for the individual.

I am a mental health specialist so I've seen the horrors as well as great successes. I worked mostly with children but spent a few years with adults as well. The field has a long way to go but there are better practices than what is widely used today already available... Just got to get the right professionals to the patients

originally posted by: ItCameFromOuterSpace
a reply to: Teetotaler

I think the rise in mental illness is due in part that our world today is not conducive with being mentally stable. Over stimuli, constant media saturation, materialism, etc. are just a few of the things that are counter to how the human mind should be working. To me, most everyday mental illnesses stem from these things.

I have schizophrenia, I promise you it's not a result of being overly stimulated. I haven't owned a TV in 5 years and I haven't had cable for 8. I stay away from social media (though I do read many forums... I do a lot of reading), and considering everything I own can fit in the back of my car at once I would say I'm not materialistic either.

The things you mentioned do not create mental illness, though they may have some impact on a persons attention span.

a reply to: paxnatus

Most mental health illness is not curable…I am not talking about clinical depression i. e. type of depression that will respond favorably to antidepressants..

I agree with that. Sorry, I should have been clearer in my remarks. My comment was more directed at the veterans and others who acquire depression during their lifetimes due to psychological trauma associated with prolonged exposure to mental and physical abuse like combat or sexual abuse, that kind of thing. Not the "diseases" (if thats the right word) some are born with.

a reply to: Teetotaler

You are replying to a so called schizophrenic whom is actually a product of schizoaffective disorder and I can tell you that your version of reality changes and almost warps into a perfectionist state producing a person prone to delusions.

That pretty accurately describes my mother sometimes. The change is sudden and in my view a different person altogether. The mental health profession calls this a disorder of the mind, but I have observed it first hand. There is another person there that takes control and lashes out. Would you say that it was a "you of a different color" or an actual invasion by another entity? In your experience, that is.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Thank you for your input BO XIAN, I have come to respect your input here on these issues.

Nevertheless, opening the hospital doors in the 70's and turning the patients into homeless street wanderers was not an overwhelming success in terms of effective compassion and care.

I remember that. Definitely a shift in the paradigm. We "feared for our lives"…

However, how free are they wandering the streets in a zonked out mentality . . . isolated, alone, emotionally fractured and fearful?

If I may, I met a lot of these folk under bridges during the "outdoors" phase of my life. Although some had obvious problems most of them were the nicest people I have ever met. The ones that were threatening were destitute dope fiends looking to take advantage of you to secure their next fix, a different sort of mental and physical "illness".

Lookng back, the "mentally" incapacitated people I knew, although at times down cast or caught up in their symptoms, ultimately seemed happier disconnected from society as it were. Their freedom as you put it was a freedom from the stress of having to perform in the workaday world, pay rent and "measure up" to society.

They might have been dirtier, ragged and smellier in appearance to that world for living "outdoors" but their minds seemed more relaxed that they didn't have to fight against their own internal desires or view of what was acceptable to them. A day of can gathering and a beer or two at the end of the day seemed to be all they needed to be content.

If that makes any sense. It was when they had to make occasional appearances in that other world for whatever reason that their stress levels escalated, bringing out their disease symptoms. After they returned, they would be relaxed, amiable and communicative again.

Just my observations.

a reply to: Teetotaler

When will psychiatry get it's you know what together and start treating patients like they ought to be treated which is a trial and error approach and multiple medication therapy? -

let me tell you about your, trial and error approach and multiple medication therapy. they do do this now and have been doing it for years. i can remember seeing just about every drug that was ever made for depression in our medicine cabinet at one time and many different ones at the same time, and it screws people up.

my aunt who lived with us most of my childhood, was diagnosed as a manic depression , schizophrenia and later on they said she was bipolar too. i can remember seeing just about every drug that was ever made for depression in our medicine cabinet.

all through her life they have given her multiple medications, and the bad thing about it she would get stable and they would change medication or dosage, and it would screw her up. sometimes it would take years for her to get stable again. bad thing about it, during all this she became unemployable and lost her insurance, and wound up on SSI and medicare ands medicaid. my mother wound up being limited in what she could do as far as getting her treatment, and by the time i was 16, she was unable to care for her the way she should be. it also didn't help that during this time my aunt became uncooperative. as a result of this she has for the last 35 years been in and out of mental health facilities, rehab homes and halfway houses. now she is in a old folks home at 70 and is bed ridden, and suffers in just about complete silence. mostly just saying repeatedly she wants to die and hates everybody.

this happened about 5 years ago, the last time they changed her meds, she was doing great. she was living with my cousin/ my brother that my mom raised. she was going and staying on overnight and multiple day visits with my mom and her brother. what they did was change one of her medication's raising the dosage, and lowering how many times a day she took it from three times a day to once a day. the meds were always brought to my cousin/ brother by her social worker and they never told my cousin they changed them. he never read the instructions on the bottle, he had been giving her the same dosage for a couple of years and didn't know they had changed it. needless to say he hates himself for that.

the result happened almost immediately, she became uncooperative again, and with this medication it had a side effect that could cause problems with muscles and she got to the point she could hardly walk. this lasted about two weeks before he got the social worker out, and they found the problem, and started the right dosage, but it was to late, the damage was done.

she went to a state mental health care facility and stayed there for about three and a half years and then they dumped her in the old folks home.

so when you say that mental health professionals don't know what they are doing, your right about that. they are just screwing people up more than they are ready are. once they get a treatment that works, they need to leave it alone.

another thing about the approach your talking about, is that using different drugs will also cause a interaction with another, which can make a whole new set of problems. and they may take a while for them to figure that out.

a reply to: Teetotaler

When will psychiatry get it's you know what together and start treating patients like they ought to be treated which is a trial and error approach and multiple medication therapy?

I don't know about others, but my mother has been treated (for schizophrenia) as you want people treated: trying different meds to see which ones work for her...

that along with behavioural therapy (or whatever the correct term is) she has seen huge improvements.

Have you gone through psychiatrists and therapists to find the ones that work with you more the way you wish?

When will it be our constitutional right to take the medicines in which we choose since we know best how we feel?

Not really clear what you mean with that.

Do you mean something like having your own personal scrip pad and writing whatever prescriptions you like?
That could do more damage than good.

Maybe I am just misreading that.

And damn the attack against our Constitution.

I also don't get how the constitution is being attacked, since I don't remember it talking about "drug freedom rights" or anything.

a reply to: intrptr

What a wonderfully astute observation.

I'm confident you are quite correct in your observations and assessments.

[BTW, THX BIG for your kind words]

I think I've seen the same sort of thing. What a telling indictment on what our culture and society have become!

But then . . . truly . . . in terms of those who are the

master !!!!CONTROLERS!!!! . . . the inmates have become the managers of the society. Truly.

May God be with you and those you love.

a reply to: Teetotaler

Curious as to your medical and psychological qualifications to make such ascertations? How many years of scientific observations, experimentations and studies have you conducted and/or been a participant of...? What were the conditions and outcome of those studies and trials, and where were they conducted and by whom?

MS
EMT/ERT
ADLS Advance Disaster Life Support
Emergency Management Institute,
Eastern Michigan Universtiy
University of Michigan
Wayne State School of Medicine
DMC-Detroit Medical Center
Henry Ford Hospital

Here I'll start a new one ,I have Dyscalculia who can diagnose it?

An educational psychologist/psychiatrist would probably be the best bet.

a reply to: mysterioustranger

Take a pill and get back to me. No offense brother.

a reply to: Teetotaler

Take a pill and get back to me.

I realize that wasn't directed to me in any way---I just figured responding to you this way might get an answer/response to my post....

because I'm curious.

I can't help it.

I ask questions, and sometimes it makes people flip and think I am attacking them.....but really I am curious and asking questions. That's what I do A LOT.

Like my post is what it is.( unless I am calling someone out on complete hypocrisy or ignorance of simple facts) No such thing here.

I just don't really understand some of what you said.

a reply to: Teetotaler

(a creator of genius and self-destruction)

As a diagnosed Schizophrenic I can relate more to the self destruction than the genius aspect that's for certain!!!

When will psychiatry get it's you know what together and start treating patients like they ought to be treated which is a trial and error approach and multiple medication therapy?

When will it be our constitutional right to take the medicines in which we choose since we know best how we feel?

It is trial & error...
However multiple medications is only for those with multiple diagnosis...
Because it's dangerous to mix the meds unless it's truly necessary!!!

As for choosing what meds, I've had a say in my medication from day one, as it's experience based, trial & error!!!

This is how it works in London anyways!!!



Peace Tee!!!

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Cell Phone BTS site density and mind control