what do you imagine the afterlife to be like?

a reply to: FlyersFan

JESUS ruled it out. JESUS Himself. He came from Heaven, and He proved that He came from Heaven via his miracles. He knows exactly what is going on in heaven. He said ... in heaven there is no sin so sex would stay in marriage, and since there is no marriage then there is no sex. PERIOD.

Sounds like heaven isn't a place for me. Eternity without sex the heck with that. Who would want to spend eternity worshiping and praising a deity that expects you to remain celibate? If God wanted us to be that way then why did he give us sexual urges.

originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: FlyersFan

JESUS ruled it out. JESUS Himself. He came from Heaven, and He proved that He came from Heaven via his miracles. He knows exactly what is going on in heaven. He said ... in heaven there is no sin so sex would stay in marriage, and since there is no marriage then there is no sex. PERIOD.

Sounds like heaven isn't a place for me. Eternity without sex the heck with that. Who would want to spend eternity worshiping and praising a deity that expects you to remain celibate? If God wanted us to be that way then why did he give us sexual urges.

To reproduce. He gave sexual urges to all animals. Sexual urges are the lowest form of urges any animal has, many insects/fish die just for 1 orgasm. Have you ever noticed how when you feel sexual urges you will do things that otherwise you would not dream of doing, also the pain stopping endorphins can cause the "horney" to harm themselves. What a wonderful biological urge to have, one that takes over rational control of the brain. However, if you can't live without sex, just become Muslim and you can defile all the virgins you want.

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: sk0rpi0n
So how does being like angels in heaven rule out food and sex.....?

Because Jesus said so. And since He came down from Heaven to be born, then that means He knows what is there. He knows better than you or me. He said sex stays in marriage and there is no marriage in heaven so therefore there is no sex.
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the bible said angels ate and some even had sex and made babies. So if we are goimg tp be like angels, physical enjpyment cnt be ruled out

When angels had sex, they created monsters so awful that they were part of the reason for "the flood" God never intended Angels to have sex.

As for eating, it is quite clear in the Christian Bible that there will be eating and drinking. However, eating and drinking will not be required to survive. The physical parts will be present for sex however, the urge to have sex will no longer be present, as it interferes with rational thought and also causes great evil when men especially think they can not control themselves, or are not taught to control themselves (as in societies who blame women for men's lack of self control). All these base urges will be done away with as they cause great evil when people can not fulfill these needs, and in Christian heaven there will be no evil. However, It is my understanding that in Muslim heaven there will be a lot of sex for men to enjoy and women to endure.

a reply to: grandmakdw

It's funny how many people place sexual pleasure at the top of their list of desires in a paradise setting.

What if the joy in heaven were better than sex?

You can all make of this what you will, but I visited Medjugorje many years ago (back in the early 1990's) and one morning while we were all in church righht at the end of mass before the final blessing, the strangest thing happened. It started with this manin my tour group next to me- he had stuck me as being horribly depressed, which was saying something as I too was suffering from clinical depression. He started to laugh, for no good reason. Then the priest announced that if we wanted anything to be blessed in that evening's apparition to leave the items at the front, near the altar.

I kid you not when I say another man, Patrick was his name and he was an irishman who was no less than 90 years old leapt from the pew right beside me and flew across not one, but two rows of pews, bag in hand with some items he wanted blessed. Then it hit me, a feeling of absolute joy and happiness that no drug or any earthly pleasure could provide. It was something so pure that to this day I have never forgotten it. I started to laugh too, them the south African lady next to me laughed and the person next to her. It went through the front rows like a wave and within about 30 seconds we were all laughing and smiling.

For the rest of that day I felt as if I were walking on a cloud and the only thoughts in my mind were about peace, love and joy. The south African lady next to me and I decided to climb Mt Pobdro after mass and I kid you not, we laughed our way to the top. It really was a feeling far better than sex or anything else I have ever experienced.

So, for me, I would so not miss sex which is a fleeting feeling that satisfies your body and makes you feel great but then as soon as its over, you lose interest and start thinking about other things, forgetting all about it.

Whoops, double posted

a reply to: markosity1973

a reply to: markosity1973

There is greater and more enduring joy in pure non-physical joy than in any physical relief.

Heaven?

Those who think they will go to hell, need only know that all you have to do is this:

ask Jesus to forgive your sins, there is no sin too grievous that Jesus/God Yahweh won't forgive,
put aside your pride and shame and just ask - prayer is simply a conversation with God, no particular posture or words
needed

know that because we have all sinned Jesus took the beating we deserved and the capital punishment we may feel we
deserve, or even maybe do deserve, in your place so you can go to heaven

every time Jesus forgave while in his ministry He also said to go and sin no more, so one should do their very best to sin
no more

if you do slip and fail and sin, one simply needs to talk to God/Jesus Yahweh again and ask forgiveness and once again
try and do better next time.


Here is where I have preached to myself.

Skorpion, I have tried to goad you because I was angry that you ignored my honest questions in another thread, and my honest attempt at communication. But you ignored me except to ridicule, and I felt it was because you knew I was a woman and so unworthy of consideration. That behavior engendered anger in me. I am sorry I became angry and tired to goad you.

However, I know that Jesus has forgiven me, He sees me and other women as worthy and equal to all other human beings, men included.

Therefore, I am assured that Jesus will accept me into His Heaven, a place of pure joy of the soul, pure joy of the spirit and fleshly desires will be gone and all that will be left is purity of heart and purity of soul.

a reply to: grandmakdw


Holy #it you need to learn a hell of a lot about Islam instead of believing what you are told!!!

By the way have you mixed materials eg cotton & others?
That's a Christian sin!

Have you ever said the words "Oh my God!" or Jesus Christ!" outside of a prayer?
Again welcome to Christian Hell for taking the Lords name in Vain!

How about using any form of contraception?
Tut tut!


You know absolutely nothing about Islam if I refer to this single post, & you haven't been ignored for being a woman, it's that eye for an eye thing, ignorance begets ignorance!
There is no Suicide Bombers or Rapists in Heaven, maybe you should read the Quran instead of the newspaper...
Or watch The Arrivals instead of your chosen Media outlet, because they've got you by the short and curlys!!!

If that's how you see Allah & Islam, you deserve to be ignored, I should have ignored you as well...
But turning the other cheek only works so often!!!

What about Revelations???
When Jesus "will return" to murder the Anti-Christ and his legion of minions!
How does this Jihad go down in your books???
Where is "Christ" turning the other cheek in his own Prophecy???

originally posted by: buster2010
Eternity without sex the heck with that.

What is waiting in eternity is BETTER than organic animal urges.

Who would want to spend eternity worshiping and praising a deity that expects you to remain celibate?

Why would you want to have animal sex as a spirit? It would be a waste of time.

If God wanted us to be that way then why did he give us sexual urges.

You only have them while in human animal form. Once you are in the spirit, you won't have them. Your desires will be in other directions and no longer on the mundane.

Throw away the earthbound tunnel vision and think about being free of being an animal.

originally posted by: grandmakdw
I see Islamic heaven as hell for women who will be constantly subject to the carnal lusts of their "heavenly husbands" ...

I agree. Being stuck in an organic body with animal urges and needs ... constantly having to physically service a man for eternity. What a dismal sex obsessed afterlife. The Christian heaven is spiritual ... devoid of the physical ball and chain. The spirit soars. Night and day difference.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Of course you're talking nonsense in what some fundamentalists believe. Its all metaphor.
When you're on the other side, all those things peel away as you wake up and remember who truly are.

originally posted by: Unity_99
When you're on the other side, all those things peel away as you wake up and remember who truly are.

A lot of people are going to be shocked at how stupid they were during life ...
And a lot of people are going to be shocked at what the afterlife really is ...
It's SPIRITUAL .. not organic.
The peasants of yester-year made up heaven stories based on what they knew about and liked ...
SEX, FOOD, MONEY.

It's so obvious.

a reply to: FlyersFan

It can feel even more organic than here, super aware consciousness and not just an orb floating around. We have infinite realms more real than the fake dreams, but higher frequency is not the same thing as lower primitive feelings as here. Here is like walking in quick sand wearing heavy lead boots having to deal with body chemical reactions over matters that are demeaning to the spirit, quite frankly.

a reply to: Unity_99

Maybe you'd like to clarify what was nonsensical about my post!!!
The Christian sins?
No that was true!

The true Islamic Heaven not containing Suicide Bombers or Rapists?
No... That was true as well!

Maybe you didn't like my comparison of Jihad to "Christ's" prophecy of Revelation...?
Sorry to inform you but what "Christ" prophecised was Jihad!
There there!

I don't care about fundamentalists, they do not represent the religion anymore than an Atheist does!!!

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I knew I didn't say you were speaking nonsense so had to go and check what I had wrote, nonense about what fundamentalists believe. I apologize for that whole sentence. A better sentence would have been, you were highlighting the nonsense or nonsensical ideas that a small percentage of fundamentalist Christians, primarily US ones, and perhaps a large percentage of Muslims (Im not sure if they are more fundamentalist after ww2 and the black op infilitration or not, I assumed they were advancing like all other societies until that time period and the agenda of corporate heads).

There is no true heavens for each religion, that all falls away.

edit to add: don't know if its happening to everyone on ats, or just a few of us, but I have to go back and forth from a wordpad, and often rewrite posts rapidly several times, when I forget, because I get these time out errors when I'v e finished writing and post it. So your post is one of a flurry, not worded as I would have wished.

a reply to: Unity_99

My apologies if I came across arrogant Unity, I see now that Auto-Correct has changed "Is" to "In"...
Happens to me all the time pal


Yes I agree fully with your post, it's a shame some see it in such a way to be honest!

You're right about religious prejudice falling away as well... One God is what united us, one God will end the separatism!!!

edit to add: don't know if its happening to everyone on ats, or just a few of us, but I have to go back and forth from a wordpad, and often rewrite posts rapidly several times, when I forget, because I get these time out errors when I'v e finished writing and post it. So your post is one of a flurry, not worded as I would have wished.

This has happened to every post of mine recently too...
Best advice I could give is to copy what you've written before you send it, then paste it if necessary!!!


Peace Unity!!!

a reply to: sk0rpi0n

I personally think there is nothing after this life,we just die and rot like all the other animals...But I also respect the religious point of view and admit that it is much more comfortable and a lot easier for some to carry on with life thinking there is an afterlife,specially the one that suits them well if they are good persons.