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Xcathdra
strawburry
I'm still waiting.
No problem...
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Xcathdra
A tactic you and others objected to with regards to Russian military units being a part of the invasion in Crimea. So, again, why should we accept this when you wont accept the other?
Xcathdra
reply to post by strawburry
Yes I linked you to the 300 plus page thread on war un Ukraine where your position has been made clear, especially around the 290 page mark when it comes to Russian actions inside Ukraine.
You dismiss claims about Russian actions inside Ukraine / Crimea while justifying those very actions committed by Russia.
What part of my comment and your posts do you just not understand?
Xcathdra
and stop making excuses for Putin.
Xcathdra
reply to post by strawburry
reply to post by strawburry
Yes I linked you to the 300 plus page thread on war un Ukraine where your position has been made clear, especially around the 290 page mark when it comes to Russian actions inside Ukraine.
You dismiss claims about Russian actions inside Ukraine / Crimea while justifying those very actions committed by Russia.
What part of my comment and your posts do you just not understand?
Vovin
I mentioned nothing in regard to Putin in this thread.
strawburry
Why can you not defend your claims?
Xcathdra
Vovin
I mentioned nothing in regard to Putin in this thread.
When you change your position on a topic because the facts you started using no longer support Putin's version of events / history, you are in fact defending Putin. Since all of the actions on the Russia side are coming thru him, and since you support his actions, you are in fact supporting Putin.
If you don't, then by all means feel free to point out what part of his actions you don't support and why?
Why is a YouTube video sufficient evidence to say American contractors are used in Russia without further investigation?
Vovin
Where the bloody hell did I say that I am advocating on Putin's behalf?
Vovin
I am not Russian, my cause has nothing to do with furthering Russian nationalism. And I do not really idolize Putin, although he is certainly the top politician in the world right now.
Vovin
My cause is anti-fascism. This includes the neo-nazis threatening stability on the ground in Ukraine, along with the western deep state governments that bolster such movements to further their own geopolitical agendas.
Vovin
And when I talk about countries as political entities, I am referring to the state, not the government. There's a huge difference. When I say Russia, I don't mean Putin.
Is that understood?
Vovin
TritonTaranis
Irony and hypocrisy
Sounds like when Russia said they didn't have any Russia troops on the ground in Crimea, and it sound like Russia don't like obstacles in the way of there plans
There only there on request of Ukrainian government to counter Russia spetnaz and agents destabilising Eastern Ukraine hardly there to annex and take over buildingsedit on 9-4-2014 by TritonTaranis because: (no reason given)
See the funny thing here is that you're claiming spetsnaz is acting as agents causing unrest. Right from the start you fail to even know what spestnaz means. Let me explain:
In Russia, there is the Federal Security Bureau. The FSB is in charge of many different branches of spooks, spies and special forces.
Spetsnaz is a term meaning "special operations". Spetsnaz brigades are under FSB command. Spetsnaz operatives are soldiers highly trained to engage ruthlessly in light arm combat against enemy operatives of similar caliber. Spetsnaz GRU and spetsnaz OMON have different jurisdictions (one is deployed in Russian territory, the other is for external ops).
The Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) confirmed March 16 the arrest of a group of Russians in the Zaporizhzhia (Zaporozhye) region of Ukraine. The men were armed with firearms, explosives and unspecified 'special technical means'. This follows the March 14 arrest near Kherson, Ukraine of several Russians dressed black uniforms with no insignia, armed with AKS-74 assault rifles and in possession of numerous ID cards under various names. One of which was an ID card of Military Intelligence Directorate of the Russian armed forces; commonly known as 'Spetsnaz'.
These men were being guided by an ethnic Russian Ukrainian in what appears to be reconnaissance of the 3 Ukrainian army divisions deployed in Kherson.
Spetsnaz commandos operating in eastern Ukraine would have the missions encompassing general ground reconnaissance of Ukrainian army units. They would also have missions conducting provocateur operations dressed in civilian attire, passing themselves off as local ethnic Russians to stir trouble between Ukrainians and local Russians, organize and provide arms to local militants as happened in Donetsk on March 11.