Racism and Jay Z - Does it matter?

Ok.....apparently the greatest point of issue has been overlooked.

His jewelry has meaning and negative connotations. But

how does it fit in to the music and messages contained therein?

It doesn't. His rap hurts and demoralizes the very people he regards as Gods. Drugs streetlife etc. Those are thoughts and ideals that destroy the black community through his influence.

Yes the 5% are racist for black power as it were

does Jay Z empower Blacks at all by profiting off the poisoning of their minds and community? I could posit that Jayz HATES black people because he's willing to poison their minds with his influence.

He loves green more than he loves black. The jewelry could be considered more ironic than indicative of his true nature.

I think the jewelry is simply meant to be flashy or controversial. In that purpose he has succeeded or maybe his stylist or publicist did.

He got rich peddling poisonous influence to the very people he should regard as sacred if he did in fact accept the beliefs of the 5%

due to his hypocrisy I am unable to judge whether he's problack/antiwhites or just simply progreenbacks.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You totally overlooked all of my points. I get what you guys are doing with this racist propaganda and its funny the same clowns come out to dance everytime.

Please go back and read my post. Do not read it just to make some snappy comment really read what I typed. If all of this is true WHY IS THE ORIGINAL OWNER OF THE CHAIN MARRIED TO KATE ROTHSCHILD WHO HAPPENS TO OPERATE UNDER THE TITLE WHITE/EUROPEAN. You guys no very little about race and how it effects everyone directly and indirectly. The whole victim, race card nonsense is exactly what you are playing. We are in your casino and just playing the cards you gave to us.

And that was a poor example about the klan, very poor considering no one in the klan will marry a person of african descent.
You guys have no idea what racism is, I swear......smh @ ignorance.

It may have negative connotations because thats what wiki told you, but did they tell you how they turn 'zombies' into productive citizen. They also empower the youth with real knowledge. Not the stuff your brain has been washed with.

reply to post by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS


Because someone is in an interracial relationship means that they aren't racists?

Actually, the common thought among black separatists is to sleep and reproduce with as many white women as possible in order to "dilute" the race while also using it as a means to "get revenge" upon the "white man" for raping slaves back in the plantation days.

I find it hilarious that Jay Z goes on record in the media and calls white people 'White Devils" but we don't know what racism is and it should be of no concern.

Yes, Jay Z being a racist should be of concern, how would the media react if one of the Bush's or Clinton's was really good friends with a KKK Grand Wizard? There would be outrage.

I can think of an infinite number of reasons that Jay-Z and his illuminati wife would appear in public, with Jay wearing that necklace.

1) He's subliminally promoting anti-white gangs...?
2) He's a member and proud.
3) He wants attention and knows that if he wears something like that people are going to flip the f*** out. (but then again he decided to re-invent the "sign of allegiance" into some idiotic "rock sign")
4) He's an illuminati insider that is trying to start something.
5) He's....completely irrelevant in the scheme of everything going on in the world...?
6) He's an idiot.

To be honest, jay-z being racist doesn't surprise me, nor does wearing a necklace that symbolizes some anti-white hate group. He's an idiot, his "music"(if that's what you could call it) promotes drugs and gangs and shiznit like that and he consistently does things that show possible illuminati influences.

In my book he is a class A delinquent that I couldn't care less about. So what if he brainwashes people or blasphemies God. I know that if he is doing severe wrongs he will pay the price after death.

Although he could just be doing it like what Miley has figured out. If you do off the wall, controversial shiznit people are going to talk more and you get more publicity. It's dumb, but it's clever.

edit- or even better, he's trying to make it "hip" and "rad" and "cool" to walk around being apart of hate groups. It's a means to divide the public even more. Just a theory though.

reply to post by Timing


This is ridiculous.

Because someone is in an interracial relationship means that they aren't racists?

I really can't believe this came from a thinking thinking man. Really. Historically and present, racist despise other races. For example, you will never see anyone in the clan with a black wife or mistress. Racism = hate can we agree on that. I don't know anyone on planet earth that will get with some one they 'supposedly' hate because

Actually, the common thought among black separatists is to sleep and reproduce with as many white women as possible in order to "dilute" the race while also using it as a means to "get revenge" upon the "white man" for raping slaves back in the plantation days.

That is so juvenile. This is sub-conscious guilt manifesting and its scary. You can tell who hasn't met a so called black person, because the speak from pure ignorance. We could careless about anyone who invest in our detriment.
We don't have to dilute anything, this planet has a way of making everybody brown one way or another. We are terrestrial beings whose life is centered around the sun just like everything else, you do the math.

we want revenge for other things like constant police harassment, half-assed schools, removing our rightful place in human affairs and that eurocentric nonsense you call an education. In school did you notice, black history starts at slavery? Once upon a time there were more castles in africa than any other place in the world??? The african diaspora has contributed so much to the entire planet but its overlooked and minimized. Due to someones ego, the child of the human family.

You guys are pitiful. I bet you you guys youtube these videos that are uploaded by children that just got into their own awareness, and they don't OWN ANY BOOKS. Its just the same regurgitated nonsense. Im almost 30 and I studied studied studied before I got the internet. If you want to know the real truth pick up some books on symbolism and occult history.

How can you be racist and part of a supposed secret society that is dominated by white supremacy.
It bothers me that so called white people google, youtube, wiki,and go on world star to post racist comments and to learn how to demoralize 'black culture'. Its something you can never understand. We don't go to google, youtube, wiki, and go on sites looking for trouble. The whole entire world knows the truth and they know who the trouble makers, and the hate mongers are. Its not a secret colonialism left a nasty bloody trail all around the world............


For the people that thinks hes doing it for shock value,
10-12 albums in history, surpassed the beatles and many other records, shock value is not necessary, neither is propaganda.
People are looking for reason to validate their disdain for people(s). It will never work.......

I know that if he is doing severe wrongs he will pay the price after death.

Everyone will pay, including the fathers of racism. People are really afraid of that karmic debt.
and hes not a member.

Conspiracy theorist screaming Illuminati
They can't believe this much skill is in the human body
Jay-z - Heaven

I know you can't believe that a "black" man is that successful all on his own huh. That is the real truth behind all of this illuminati nonsense.

AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
I get what you guys are doing with this racist propaganda and its funny the same clowns come out to dance everytime.

The only one pushing racist propaganda is the guy with the anti-white racist bling around his neck.
The people pointing out the racism aren't the racists.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You guys have a hard time accepting facts. Your just running with it for your own little show. I'm not entertained by lies. There is no way u read my whole post. And I know your the only guy starring these undercover racist.

reply to post by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS


well here is a little bit of racism for ya. all ya got do is pop over to a blog like this and you see thread just like this or even worse. this is black folks saying this or is just white folks pretending to be black typing all of this. an don't bother saying there are white sites doing the same thing, i know. but at least white folks aren't saying that there are no white racist, when we know they are. blacks are some of the biggest racist there is.

Marrying White Women Tarnish Black Men...

reply to post by hounddoghowlie

WOW ... I clicked on your link. That was ... um .... entertaining.
Talk about self segregating! The comments made me just shake my head ...

reply to post by FlyersFan


like i said there are some of the sites that have threads a lot worse than that, and some of the posters put post pictures of themselves for their avatars. no mistaking what they think or believe.

reply to post by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

He doesn't own the medallion, its actually from his artist Jay Electronica who is a 5%er.

well maybe not that one, but what about all of these, or is he just borrowing them to.

hangin with spike

jettin to somewhere

standing in front of the stage

getting in or out of his ride

at the radio station

hangin with smilin white devils

at a party


for some one who doesn't own a medallion, he sure does like to wear it. or are it/they just borrowed, maybe on permanent loan.
i'm sure i could search the web and find more, but i'm sure you get the point.



ETA: three of the pictures may have been taken on the same day look at his shirt.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


Action = Reaction.

You guys love to claim this reverse racism CRAP. We never invaded people because we thought they were less than human, not civilized, or not worthy of sharing the same space and time. We have never, in modern history been in a position to do that. Blacks being racist is a reaction to someone castrating their father just because, or raping someone's mother and then stabbing her stomach. I hate to be so graphic but this is REAL HISTORY. We never commandeered military planes to bomb a self sufficient white only city based off a false case of rape. We have never done ANYTHING of that nature. Remember that. So, if your going to talk about how emotional "black" people are about race, lets not ignore the truth or the facts. He can wear a chain that promotes whatever, but I can guarantee that no 5%er will bomb a church with kids in it. You can exclaim racism to your blue in the face, you guys no what real racism is.
For every action there is a reaction and I can guarantee that if you don't address so called "black" peoples wounds the results will not be desirable. You guys are so arrogant you parade around with your head in the sky and have the nerve to claim that everyone is delusional, and full of it.

5%er motto is Knowledge, wisdom and understanding.
Islam motto is peace.

So when you see someone, on the news claiming to be muslim or misrepresenting the doctrines of peace do these few fools put a bad name for everyone? Or do these actions represent the majority. I really hate to read your answer because I can tell you still watch the news.lol

start @ 39:00-41:00.
You should watch it all so you can see that you are speaking out of your neck

Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'
If the link doesn't work. Youtube, breakfast club jay-s interview. fast to the times, tyvm.
Peace and many blessing.

Timing
reply to post by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

 

Because someone is in an interracial relationship means that they aren't racists?

Actually, the common thought among black separatists is to sleep and reproduce with as many white women as possible in order to "dilute" the race while also using it as a means to "get revenge" upon the "white man" for raping slaves back in the plantation days.

You are soo spot on there.

That is the truth. After all, black is the dominant gene right?

Don't we call Obama our First Black President and he was born from a White mother?....

Typically we call that Mullato, not Black. But him identifying himself as Black speaks volumes....
Same with Holder, That man isn't full Negroid.

Don't get me started on how Blacks hate to acknowledge White heritage in there genes. For them to deny it is in itself Racist.

reply to post by hounddoghowlie


I refuse to believe that is real, I will feel better about the world believing that is just a bad parody and skip along on my merry way.

reply to post by kimish

Typically we call that Mullato, not Black. But him identifying himself as Black speaks volumes....
Same with Holder, That man isn't full Negroid.

Don't get me started on how Blacks hate to acknowledge White heritage in there genes. For them to deny it is in itself Racist.

I can post 2000 characters and your replies always surface, bearing no merit to the original post, or my previous post.

Typically we call that Mullato, not Black. But him identifying himself as Black speaks volumes....
Same with Holder, That man isn't full Negroid.

First off, you should be ashamed of yourself for using antiquated words that are very very disrespectful and they actually don't describe anything about an individual. Bottom line they have no place in an enlightened mans vocabulary. Say those very words to the people you are trying miserably to describe. I would love to see their reaction. This is how I know you don't know ANYONE of African descent and will never know anyone because you lack respect.

Don't get me started on how Blacks hate to acknowledge White heritage in there genes. For them to deny it is in itself Racist.

..........I can say the same for most of humanity who spends billions of dollars like Japan, to prove they don't descend from migrated Africans. BTW, Japan wasted money. Or the european creation of a 2 fictitious regions to purport racist propaganda. Sub-Sahara, and the Middle east.....The whole entire world wants to deny its affiliation to the so called "black" family.
Kimish I know you don't like so called black people you'd made that abundantly clear by replying usually after me, on a race related subject. You usually come off with that " I'm going to put everyone into a box, because of my neighborhood or because of what I see on TV or google. You do it with so much tact and compassion. Something about those eyes tell me you would like to change the world into what it was supposed to be.

side note- do not take an excerpt from my post, and use it to fit your twisted understanding of the world around you.

5%ers are evil and I bet the panthers are too. Guess what, Dr. King was evil to the same people, even the story of Yeshua bn Yosef which I'm sure you know the fictional story where he was renamed Jesus. I can't wait for your racist replies about that.

reply to post by FlyersFan


To me, its not whether white people are the only one accused of racism and blacks are not...its about that FACT
that Racism is NATURAL.


We are ALL racist. Everyone looks at a certain someone they bump into in the street, or see a gang of youths (whatever color) or see something and we all have a racist thought>>> deny it if you all like.

But racism is here to stay no matter how much BS propaganda is spouted by gov, council and the like.

Embrace racism as free choice....the choice to LIKE and DISLIKE who we choose. Just don't make it an excuse to use violence or intimidation.

Racism is part of our make-up. We can't all like everybody equally. (only the dumb BS pro hippy PC people claim we should)

Jews are highly racist as a collective, blacks use nothing but racist material in their rap crap music, whites have a history of racism (cough slavery cough), middle easterner who flock into our countries by the bucket load hate the countries they move to and hate us for our ways and the list goes on.

Racism if used correctly (without violence and abuse and the like) can be a useful tool for personal choices in life!!!

The END of Hate Speech, subtle or otherwise, on ATS
**ALL MEMBERS** The recent surge in Hatred, Racism, and Sheer Stupidity STOPS NOW

reply to post by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS

That was beyond funny. So you falsely think blacks can't be racist and muslims can't be violent? Yeah .. okay. *rolling eyes* Instead of going on an off topic rant about how poorly some people were treated in the past ... address the present day issue of Jay Z proudly wearing a racist symbol many, many times. He's advertising it.

AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS
This is how I know you don't know ANYONE of African descent and will never know anyone because you lack respect.

You don't know anyone here nor their personal life. And you don't know any of our ethnicities or the ethnicities of our families. It's not a lack of respect to refer to someone as mulatto. That's ridiculous. But then, so is your insistence that Jay Z isn't displaying a racist symbol ... so I guess it doesn't surprise me.

Wanna' make an attempt to get on the topic - Jay Z and his black-nationalist/blame-the-white-man-for-all-things-wrong racist bling.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You totally missed the point the point.

And for the record no everyone is not racist naturally. That is a load of BS.

That was beyond funny. So you falsely think blacks can't be racist and muslims can't be violent

Neither can to the degree that the european has because both peoples have never been in a position to do so. I worked with someone in the clan, and I was told in order to get in you have to kill a black person. There is no- I don't care if its 5%er, NOI, or whoever Crips doesn't matter no one operates on this level. This was in 2007 btw and his racist jokes were unbelievably disgusting.
The western world will try to make everything racist so 'he' doesn't have to clean up the blood and rubble. He can justify it by using false claims. There is no such thing as reverse racism. I have never in history walked into a so called black neighborhood where they only served so called "black" people, or couldn't use the normal entrance. People will exclaim this is old and its not. Just ask around.

The point was people have ideas about people they know little about due to the media and other outlets. Everyone was chanting their disapproval for people of so called "middle eastern" descent right after. Saying nothing but evil things and putting everyone into a very tiny box. The same with the news and the idea that they like to portray so called blacks/mexicans as aimless criminals when I bet there are 10 fold more positive stories.

You don't know anyone here nor their personal life. And you don't know any of our ethnicities or the ethnicities of our families. It's not a lack of respect to refer to someone as mulatto. That's ridiculous. But then, so is your insistence that Jay Z isn't displaying a racist symbol ... so I guess it doesn't surprise me.

I don't have to know you. I can tell by your post and the way you approaching the situation. Mulatto is a disrespectful word, and its funny how you didn't mention negroid, when they were mentioned in the same sentence. This is a common tactic. The pick and choose to support you dark and twisted fantasy.

Wanna' make an attempt to get on the topic - Jay Z and his black-nationalist/blame-the-white-man-for-all-things-wrong racist bling.

You have said that so many times like you have nothing else to say about the particular subject. Its annoying. Jay-z-hates whites. I bet you didn't watch the interview, you didn't look up who owns it and the fact that THE ORIGINAL OWNER IS MARRIED........ I'm done.

blacks use nothing but racist material in their rap crap music

This is the kind of nonsense I'm talking about. Rap is racist and there are white rappers?!?!?! I find this slightly offensive because it lets me know you are making a judgement without any evidence what so ever. The white community/youth is probably one of hip-hops biggest investors. I can sit here and rant about how liberating it is but......I'M NOT!
Hip-Hop gave our community a voice.

People sit up and bicker over the most minute things. Jay-z is a celebrity, he has NO POWER what so ever. Now the fact that there are racist symbols in the white house and on our money is that should be in the discussion considering these people make bigger moves. This is not an attempt to derail the thread since its dead anyway and no one else believes this non-sense. Racist Germanic symbols in the United States. Go learn something that is actually going to count at the end.

Peace and Many blessing I'm done.

Out of all rappers you try to make racist, you pick Jay-z. Someone who doesn't even fall into the socio-political-conscious-rap scene where race and struggles are most likely brought up. Very poor shot.

Please go listen to Lauryn Hill- Freedom Time. Its hip hop influenced but its actually an acoustic song and it is very very profound. Some of us here need this.

InverseLookingGlass
I suppose various oppressed groups ultimately want to be the authoritarians?

Human History in a nutshell. The oppressed becoming the oppressor.

reply to post by AKINOFTHEFIRSSTARS


Really? I enjoy Laurens music, she's a fantastic vocalist but, unfortunately, she has a deep, deep hatred for white's.

I've never known a person to find the term "mullato" as offensive except for in some BP followers. This is because "mullato" implies white heritage in the genes.

4 basic races of humans: Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid and Austroloid.
This is why I used the second aformentioned name, my appologies.

On topic, yes Sean Carter is racist. Listen to his music. Many rappers are racist. It's a mob mentality, really. If they don't fit in with the norm, then they are sell-outs, Uncle Tom's or house N-word. It's a shame really because this mentality looks down on education as well. Street smarts are more respectfull than book smarts.

Bill Cosby said it best a few years back. And oh man did he get slammed for speaking up.