Japan orders military to strike any new North Korea missile launches

reply to post by JiggyPotamus


Actually their are UN sanctions or what not that make it illegal for NK to test fire missiles.

Xeven
reply to post by JiggyPotamus

 

Actually their are UN sanctions or what not that make it illegal for NK to test fire missiles.

To clarify this point -

The sanctions passed the security council, so even Russia and China agreed with how bad of an idea it is for north korea to have certain military items.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04

Neighbor B says I want a gun, but I am only using it in self defense.

Your self defense analogy would be fine except you are backed my the Military Industrial Complex of the West and you do not use this might for self defense, instead you invade and / or destabilize country after country.

I agree NK needs some correction, in a big way but:

If it was not for their military, NK would have been gobbled up decades ago. Their fears are justified, just ask Iraqi and Afghanistan.

P

reply to post by Xcathdra


Communist or not, China is becoming a civilized Nation. They don't want war because they are happy and their country is doing well economically, education, etc... To go to war would hurt that in that their economy could not support a war nor would the morale of its people.

reply to post by Xeven

So what are they going to do? Sanction them some more? What's left?

Invade with UN troops? China might have something to say about that.

This is all just posturing and bluster to refocus the world conversation from the Middle East and Russia (one power faction's fave playground) to Asia (another power faction's fave playground). The power factions get jealous if one gets more attention than the other.

Geopolitical hypothesizing is so fun.

reply to post by pheonix358

Might makes right in humanity and always will. We can only hope the might stays with those fighting for Human dignity, freedom and movement toward advancing not retracting civilization (Taliban).

pheonix358
The next move by NK could be to tell the world of another launch date, as they do, and secretly try to launch a manned mission into orbit, ie, put some poor sod on top of the missile. Great publicity at home, lovely looking ace pilot blown away by the Japanese dogs with the support of the evil US colonialists, that sort of thing.

Russia and China would rush in and send delegates to the state funeral. What a great PR exercise. Un crying at the funeral!

When the AEGIS Destroyer blows it out of the air, NK can legitimately try to blow the Destroyer out of the water for killing an Astronaut, or would that be an Unonaut.

I say try to, because while they have more than enough missiles to easily overwhelm the Destroyers self defense capabilities I am not sure they can actually hit it with any accuracy ...... unless ..... someone else lends them a hand.

It is all part of the two stages, two dog and pony shows. Move and counter move on the world stage.

P

Do you have any idea how ridiculous this post is? It's like you want to hate the West so bad you just say the most inane things.

Xeven
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Communist or not, China is becoming a civilized Nation. They don't want war because they are happy and their country is doing well economically, education, etc... To go to war would hurt that in that their economy could not support a war nor would the morale of its people.

Of course... I was merely pointing out to Phoenix that try as they might, trying to lay all the blame on the west is based on an unrealistic view of the world. The sanctions against North Korea, which the list is a long one, had the support of Russia and China. Yet for some reason those 2 countries are left out of the discussion with the west being the focus.

Xeven
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Communist or not, China is becoming a civilized Nation. They don't want war because they are happy and their country is doing well economically, education, etc... To go to war would hurt that in that their economy could not support a war nor would the morale of its people.

Agreed. The fact that China has not gone in and removed Un in favor of their own puppets should tell you something of the size of the problem in attacking NK.

China would not care how many troops they lost, their male / female balance is way off, but NK would be a difficult nut to crack.

P

pheonix358
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

Neighbor B says I want a gun, but I am only using it in self defense.

Your self defense analogy would be fine except you are backed my the Military Industrial Complex of the West and you do not use this might for self defense, instead you invade and / or destabilize country after country.

I agree NK needs some correction, in a big way but:

If it was not for their military, NK would have been gobbled up decades ago. Their fears are justified, just ask Iraqi and Afghanistan.

P

No, you simply don't like my analogy because it's true, and you are stuck in a bind. If you answer truthfully you admit your position is wrong. If you lie you make yourself look foolish.

So instead you simply skirt the question and don't answer. Your non-answer is all the answer we need.

pheonix358
Agreed. The fact that China has not gone in and removed Un in favor of their own puppets should tell you something of the size of the problem in attacking NK.

China would not care how many troops they lost, their male / female balance is way off, but NK would be a difficult nut to crack.

P

There is a reason why China is protecting the other brother of Un. North Korea is about at their limit with Chinese patience. If north korea does something that could result in open warfare, I doubt China will support North Korean. The Chinese people don't even support their countries actions towards north korea.

As for a war with North Korea, no it would not be a tough nut to crack. The conditions inside North korea are horrible, and with the issues they have been having with their military 1st policy, its getting worse. People join the military simply because they get food / supplies before the civilians. Should war occur, I would wager that we would see mass surrender from North Korean military units. I think we would also see high ranking officals try for their own power play, just like the uncle did.

When senior leaders are rounded up and executed, along with their subordinates and families, it paints a picture of extreme paranoia while supporting the theory that the government is not stable and that currently Un does not have the same level of support / loyalty that his father had.

Whether by war or internal collapse, the number of refugees going north to China would be massive. China knows this, and I think they see it coming since over the last few years they have increased their military and police forces in the border areas.

pheonix358
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

They are firing them towards an ocean / sea as almost everyone else does.

Incidentally, just in case someone takes it the wrong way, the 'get stuffed' was directed towards the hypocrisy of the west NOT at any poster!.

If SK was firing test missiles towards the sea of japan we would not be discussing this.

P

There is a huge difference between your example of S. Korea vs. N.Orks launches over sea. The south has normal diplomatic relations with Japan and thus would inform them of any impending launch and its approximate course this is how normal countries do business.

pheonix358
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

South into the East China sea. Why is that not a valid option?

I would imagine it is too small and likely too crowded for a safe test.

Thank you for the effort, I think you see the problem. For a long range test required for Ballistic missiles the only choice is to go over Japan and into the North Pacific Ocean, and quite honestly, they would be at such an altitude that they may be out of Japanese 'airspace' and into, I don't know what to call it, "space space."

This is a dog and pony show by the West, they do not want NK testing anything.

Now if everyone stops testing, I am fine with that! But that is a pipe dream. The West may test but Nk can't.

P

no, i really think it's a matter of "i don't want you launching missiles toward my country"

imagine if paupa new guinea started doing missile tests, and they were launching their missiles toward queensland.....jokes about queensland aside, i'm pretty sure you'd have some opinion on that, and i'm pretty sure it wouldn't be "oh, it's alright"..

try to put yourself in their place for a moment, and see if you can't understand why those missile tests might be of some concern for them...

reply to post by Daedalus


Personally I think the only reason north korea launches in the direction they do is because that is the direction of the US. For whatever reason, north korea thinks the tests will have an impact on US foreign policy towards north korea. The problem is north korea is a country out of time and their leadership does not understand anything outside of their own borders.

Xcathdra
reply to post by Daedalus

 

Personally I think the only reason north korea launches in the direction they do is because that is the direction of the US. For whatever reason, north korea thinks the tests will have an impact on US foreign policy towards north korea. The problem is north korea is a country out of time and their leadership does not understand anything outside of their own borders.

that could be it too....i mean, who really knows? the leadership is friggin insane over there...

in any event, my point, and example still stand.

Isn't shooting down missile tests in international waters a little illegal?

crazyewok
Isn't shooting down missile tests in international waters a little illegal?

I think this question is one where the answer will be established after the fact.

If I had to guess I would say yes, its probably a violation on its face. The flip side would be the sanctions in place that prohibit the North from doing those types of tests. If the action of launching is a violation in and of itself, then would it be illegal to shoot it down?

Xcathdra
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Not really... Its the same issue as Iran. At no point has the US ever stated either country is not entitled to a civilian nuclear energy program. The issue centers on nuclear weapons. Sine N. Korea pulled out of the NPT their actions are their own and all the world can do is try to engage them in conversation and try to get them to change their mind.

I hate North Korea lets get this clear.

But this is where I see the hypocrisy.

The USA is a Nuclear power yets its telling North Korea and Iran they cant have nukes? Thats hypocrisy at its greatest.

Plus Israel is not part of any Nuclear weapons treaty s and refuses oversight yet the west is willing to overlook that and be best friends? Again hypocrisy.

reply to post by _BoneZ_


Although Japan should not accept missiles flying over their heads

It is also a huge mistake to have your foreign policy dictated by USA, like being friends with a drug dealer, he might one day stab you.

crazyewok
Isn't shooting down missile tests in international waters a little illegal?

Would you call that International Waters? Is that how it should be interpreted for a Missile in flight?

I think North Korea has a real geography problem but they just decide to ignore it and act like it doesn't exist anyway.

They are..oddly speaking..landlocked for Missile testing in 3 directions. By that I mean, they have nations that don't appreciate being downrange and on the overshoot path of what may or may not be a live missile being tested. They can shoot south, which is what they've done when it matters to them. Like whatever they put into a polar orbit and the world declared a dud...(has that ever come down? It was still orbiting last I checked awhile back).

If they shoot East for a test though? Imagine standing behind the bullet stop on a firing range ..and just hoping no one shoots high by accident.

I can see Japan's point of view.