Discrimination now Legal In Mississippi

reply to post by doubletap

doubletap
A simple yes or no question:

Do you want government to force business owners to serve customers the owner would rather not?

What I want is equality. Equal treatment under the law.

A business owner should serve the public. If he opens a business and then refuses to serve a certain group of people, then yes, I want the law to step in and make him obey the law, just like everyone else does.

If so, how is that not involuntary servitude?

They opened a business. They are VOLUNTARILY serving the public with their business. No one forced them to open a business.

Benevolent Heretic

Another case of making the bigots look like victims.

“You stupid bible-thumping, hypocritical b**ch. I hope your kids get really, really, sick and you go out of business,” read one e-mail.

“Here’s hoping you go out of business, you bigot. Enjoy hell,” read another.

That's the hate you're subject to if you refuse to commit a sin.

The only thing you people have proven in this thread, is that you're not capable of even a fraction the tolerance that you demand from Christians.

reply to post by doubletap

doubletap
Care to enumerate the punishments that are hoped for?

I already did. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bone75

Benevolent Heretic

Another case of making the bigots look like victims.

“You stupid bible-thumping, hypocritical b**ch. I hope your kids get really, really, sick and you go out of business,” read one e-mail.

“Here’s hoping you go out of business, you bigot. Enjoy hell,” read another.

That's the hate you're subject to if you refuse to commit a sin.

The only thing you people have proven in this thread, is that you're not capable of even a fraction the tolerance that you demand from Christians.

When the rubber hits the road, it is okay to be intolerant of intolerant institutions, that is just a human nature thing.

People are not tolerant of Nazi, KKK members, good old boys, islamo fascists and a certain brand of "Christian"

Benevolent Heretic

A business owner should serve the public. If he opens a business and then refuses to serve a certain group of people, then yes, I want the law to step in and make him obey the law, just like everyone else does.

The baker isn't refusing to serve a certain group of people, gays are welcome in his bakery. The baker is refusing to make a cake that violates his religious beliefs.

That's where you are consistently twisting the issue.

Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by doubletap

 

doubletap
A simple yes or no question:

Do you want government to force business owners to serve customers the owner would rather not?

What I want is equality. Equal treatment under the law.

A business owner should serve the public. If he opens a business and then refuses to serve a certain group of people, then yes, I want the law to step in and make him obey the law, just like everyone else does.

If so, how is that not involuntary servitude?

They opened a business. They are VOLUNTARILY serving the public with their business. No one forced them to open a business.

I genuinely think in this case, it would be more productive to let the bakery be ridiculed and boycotted. It takes a lot of energy to stay mean and hateful, let them live the lesson because it might be what the people need to improve their understanding of Christian.

reply to post by Bone75

Bone75
That's the hate you're subject to if you refuse to commit a sin.

I definitely do not approve of that, either. I think it's disgusting.

And baking a cake is not a sin. Baking a cake for a gay couple is not a sin. No one is forcing the baker to have homosexual sex.

The only thing you people have proven in this thread, is that you're not capable of even a fraction the tolerance that you demand from Christians.

I don't care if Christians tolerate homosexuality or not. I'm not holding my breath. And frankly, I don't tolerate Christians well... But I do expect them to obey the law, just like the rest of us. If a gay baker refused to bake a cake for a Christian, I would be supportive of the Christian. So, it's not about being a Christian, it's about equality under the law.

reply to post by Bone75

Bone75
The baker is refusing to make a cake that violates his religious beliefs.

You do know that he made a wedding cake for two dogs, right? That's in line with his religion, I suppose...

The CAKE does not violate his religious beliefs. MAKING the cake does not violate his religious beliefs. Same-sex marriage violates his religious beliefs, but no one is forcing him to marry.

Benevolent Heretic



What I want is equality. Equal treatment under the law.

A business owner should serve the public. If he opens a business and then refuses to serve a certain group of people, then yes, I want the law to step in and make him obey the law, just like everyone else does.

If so, how is that not involuntary servitude?

They opened a business. They are VOLUNTARILY serving the public with their business. No one forced them to open a business.

Since they serve people voluntarily, that action is also subject to voluntary denial of service as well.

Its good to see where you stand on the idea of freedom. You advocate government forcing involuntary servitude upon business owners, and hurt feelings supercede the rights of association, property, and religion.

With actions like this, the gay community is acting like the modern day version of the racial extortionists like Jesse Jackson and al sharpton.

If you don't cave in to their constant whining and crying , you will be villified, punished, and damaged all for having an opinion they don't agree with.

reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge

spurgeonatorsrevenge
I genuinely think in this case, it would be more productive to let the bakery be ridiculed and boycotted. It takes a lot of energy to stay mean and hateful, let them live the lesson because it might be what the people need to improve their understanding of Christian.

I'm fine with that, personally. But the law in some states is not. Then again, if a business gets boycotted and protested, they make it sound like they are the "victim" of the "gay mafia". There are consequences for our actions.

Benevolent Heretic
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Bone75
The baker is refusing to make a cake that violates his religious beliefs.

You do know that he made a wedding cake for two dogs, right? That's in line with his religion, I suppose...

The CAKE does not violate his religious beliefs. MAKING the cake does not violate his religious beliefs. Same-sex marriage violates his religious beliefs, but no one is forcing him to marry.

I think the point is, he is assisting in a ceremony that is against his moral beliefs. In a very literal way, the cake is very important part of the marriage ritual in our society (I don't know why).

I think this issue would be akin to forcing a vegan cook up a chicken for strictly carnivore patron. The vegan might not be eating the bird, but that does not change the fact that it may feel violating to the vegan in question.

Benevolent Heretic
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spurgeonatorsrevenge
I genuinely think in this case, it would be more productive to let the bakery be ridiculed and boycotted. It takes a lot of energy to stay mean and hateful, let them live the lesson because it might be what the people need to improve their understanding of Christian.

I'm fine with that, personally. But the law in some states is not. Then again, if a business gets boycotted and protested, they make it sound like they are the "victim" of the "gay mafia".

That is true! They would probably get MORE business from intolerant Christians. Hell they would probably be elected to senate and become a Tea Party darling, but just remember BH, progressives liberal Democrats were the ones who kept Jim Crow alive not conservatives who have no history or inclination of bigoted beliefs in the south

Benevolent Heretic

And baking a cake is not a sin. Baking a cake for a gay couple is not a sin.

Well since you and Gryphon66 are the authorities around here as to what constitutes as a sin and what doesn't, maybe you should point to the passage where it says God has no problem with me baking a cake for a gay wedding.

I don't care if Christians tolerate homosexuality or not. I'm not holding my breath. And frankly, I don't tolerate Christians well... But I do expect them to obey the law, just like the rest of us.

Well thanks to the LAW in MS, a baker can rest assured that he won't be sued or fined for refusing to produce a sacrilegious product.

If a gay baker refused to bake a cake for a Christian, I would be supportive of the Christian. So, it's not about being a Christian, it's about equality under the law.

For some reason, I doubt that Christian would file a lawsuit and wish death, sickness, and poverty upon the gay baker and his kids...
The Christian will go somewhere else, or pick up a new hobby.

I could be wrong though, maybe you can site a case that I'm unaware of?

reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge

spurgeonatorsrevenge
I think the point is, he is assisting in a ceremony that is against his moral beliefs.

He's not even invited to the ceremony, much less being asked to assist it. He's being asked to make a cake, which he does every day.

I think this issue would be akin to forcing a vegan cook up a chicken for strictly carnivore patron.

It's not, though. The vegan business owner does not make chicken for anyone. We're not asking the baker to make something he never makes for other people. If the vegan business owner made chicken for his patrons, but refused to do so for a handicapped person, THEN we'd have a comparison.

reply to post by spurgeonatorsrevenge

spurgeonatorsrevenge
...but just remember BH, progressives liberal Democrats were the ones who kept Jim Crow alive

I don't give a crap. I have never been a member of a political party in my life. I think they're disgusting.

not conservatives who have no history or inclination of bigoted beliefs in the south

Are you serious? This whole case is about bigotry in the south! LOL I've lived in Mississippi. I know what it's like down there.

Benevolent Heretic

LOL I've lived in Mississippi. I know what it's like down there.

What other enlightening generalizations could you make?

If I said I lived in phoenix so I know all the Mexicans there are illegal aliens and criminals, somehow I think you would have an issue with that.

Are your double standards only applicable if they support your opinions?

reply to post by doubletap


Don't put words in my mouth. I know what it's like in the Deep South. That doesn't mean that everyone there is a bigot.

Benevolent Heretic
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spurgeonatorsrevenge
...but just remember BH, progressives liberal Democrats were the ones who kept Jim Crow alive

I don't give a crap. I have never been a member of a political party in my life. I think they're disgusting.

not conservatives who have no history or inclination of bigoted beliefs in the south

Are you serious? This whole case is about bigotry in the south! LOL I've lived in Mississippi. I know what it's like down there.

I was trying to be over the top by imitating the Fox crowd here. Remember BH, Adolf Hitler was a lefty

Benevolent Heretic

Don't put words in my mouth. I know what it's like in the Deep South. That doesn't mean that everyone there is a bigot.

Mmmhmmm.

Anecdotal evidence is solid proof in your little world,right?

That's OK, I grew up in a suburb of phoenix, I know what its like too

reply to post by Bone75

Bone75
Well since you and Gryphon66 are the authorities around here as to what constitutes as a sin and what doesn't, maybe you should point to the passage where it says God has no problem with me baking a cake for a gay wedding.

As soon as you point to a passage that says it's a sin to make a wedding cake for a gay couple.

For some reason, I doubt that Christian would file a lawsuit and wish death, sickness, and poverty upon the gay baker and his kids...

A TRUE Christian wouldn't, but that's about 2% of the people who claim the title these days...

Who do you think is behind these laws like the one in Mississippi? Hateful Christians. Who pushed for Prop 8? Hateful Christians.

There are MANY cases of Christians filing lawsuits against people because they couldn't impose their religion. And hatred?

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
--Randall Terry, The News Sentinel, (Ft. Wayne, IN.), 8/16/93
...
"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."
--Gary Potter, president of Catholics for Christian Political Action
...
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."
--Jerry Falwell

Plenty of Christian hatred quotes at LINK.