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a reply to: themadgenius

So they're bringing in 24 Luftwaffe aircraft, on a permanent basis, and are going to fly a deep black project out of the same base, when there are hundreds of other choices?

a reply to: themadgenius

So..... .... you're saying the hangers in question can hold 4 average sized fighter jets each? You're right!!!! This is suspicious!



.... or they are designed to hold three or four fighter-jet sized aircraft.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: themadgenius

So..... .... you're saying the hangers in question can hold 4 average sized fighter jets each? You're right!!!! This is suspicious!



.... or they are designed to hold three or four fighter-jet sized aircraft.

I never talked about fighter jets, so I have no idea where you got this from, this makes no sense to me.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: themadgenius

So they're bringing in 24 Luftwaffe aircraft, on a permanent basis, and are going to fly a deep black project out of the same base, when there are hundreds of other choices?

Can that be confirmed through a News article or Base annoucement on the 24 Luftwaffe aircraft?

a reply to: themadgenius

There's already a Luftwaffe training center as well as a cargo base there. They're closing their Ft Bliss facility and moving them to Holloman. They have aircraft at Holloman all the time. They've been there since 1958.

alert5.com...

It's been in the works from 2011.

Possible UAV,s as well.Maybe get the Brits to have the Taranis there for joint training..

a reply to: Zaphod58

copy on the typhoon, other then endo atmospheric hypersonic i would assume everything from now on will be delta-ish or maybe even lenticular.....that would be something wouldn't it.

if i were going to store a secret aircraft i would keep up up further on the west coast at bases where they did bio/chem weapons testing. seems like a good play out of the area denial book. "hey they may be unexploded VX bomblets around...better stay out".

or just keep it on a nice warm island but watch out for that humid air, Guam was little embarrassing/expensive.

themadgenius:

i can promise you that you will find NOTHING on google earth they(us gov) doesn't give it's okay for. why would they hide from overflights and russian sats if said russians or who ever could just go on google earth?

Im all for exploring and looking at stuff and google earth is super cool, i got sucked into it for a hour or so after looking at what you were talking about. but TS is TS for a reason, they wouldn't just black out buildings, the pics wouldn't exist.

Ok, so long time lurker, zaph, you are nuts with the cahonies you have posting some of the tidbits you post lol. So i live in utah, i am a design engineer (tooling for robitics) my father holds top secret clearance and works for boeing here in utah. (all im willing to say here on public chat)

i was told last night that some new "information" has come forth and it is no longer a RINGER for LM/Boeing at this point in time, what exactly that is, i do not know and am not allowed to press my dad.

curious if you knew what hes talking about zaph.

a reply to: Lostcausez06

I haven't heard much lately, but it looked like NG was back in the air a few months ago. They may have overcome the problem they had.

a reply to: Zaphod58

From what I can gather the two companies bombers are different enough in capability that they should probably buy some of both. The Lockheed bird for most of the work load use her like a b1 or a b2. Make a few, like 4 or 5 of northrups birds for missions that require extreme stealth. Best of both worlds. Maybe never disclose the northrups assets exist.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Lostcausez06

I haven't heard much lately, but it looked like NG was back in the air a few months ago. They may have overcome the problem they had.

cool cool. My father is extremely tight lipped about everything, and almost parnoid. He spends alot of his time at Vandenberg and every now and then up in alaska. Every now and then ive accidentally walked in the house with him having pictures open on his laptop and having my jaw drop. those are few and far between though as he is very very diligent and careful.

he has told me stories about how he and other high ranking employees have been targeted and have to be very careful at airports and such because people will attempt to steal their laptops. Apparently his laptop gives him direct access (via a keycard he slides into it) to the networks through a VPN im guessing.


He was sayin they value the work laptops at Multi million dollars a piece just because of the information that can be accessed on one, and trade secrets that can be stolen.

Thats the only thing i would not like about being in a position like that. Is the fear of some other government trying to kidnap/coerce me into committing crimes against my country, or even just accidentally saying something confidential i wasnt supposed to say and having the "men in black" at my door telling me im in big trouble lol. My dads carefulness and paranoia definately has paid off though because he wouldnt be where he is at without it.

a reply to: Lostcausez06

A few months ago one of the BAE higher ups was traveling from England to France for a meeting and had his briefcase stolen. They estimated the information in it at a very large number. They never said if it was targeted espionage though.

a reply to: Lostcausez06

I would imagine though, that the most secret of things aren't on laptops -- or computers even connected to the internet.

Tell him to hit up the Moose's Tooth for pizza the next time he's in Alaska. Amazing pizza and microbrewery.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

The VPN card allows for access to the internal network where stuff is kept. That's why it's so valuable.

a reply to: Zaphod58

What I'm saying is that for the most secret of secret stuff, the computers are completely stand alone, not networked even internally, and shielded from RF leaks. This would be the safest way to contain the highest security clearance material without risk of it being compromised.

I'm not talking about nozzle designs for the F-35 here, I'm talking about things much more classified/secret.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Lostcausez06

A few months ago one of the BAE higher ups was traveling from England to France for a meeting and had his briefcase stolen. They estimated the information in it at a very large number. They never said if it was targeted espionage though.

hey zap...isn't the secrecy more about detection these days. unless they are working on a uber-speed-and-maneuver UCAV?

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I know what you're talking about, but there are times when engineers need remote access. Even to the really secret stuff. It can only be accessed with the VPN card to get to the internal network. You can't even see it without the card.

a reply to: jimmyx

It's about detection, and countermeasures mostly. Materials is another big area.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well, I can see engineers and other team members needing to have information for testing purposes outside of a lab setting -- RCS ranges and who knows where else. I get what you're saying...

I still think that the proprietary, classified information could be loaded onto a laptop or device directly-- without it needing to gain access to any internal network. At least, that is how I would manage my project team. I wouldn't want to risk their mobile computing device having any more information on it than it needs when outside of a secured area.

But, then you wouldn't be able to do email -- which is a vital component to any project. So a VPN in that instance would probably be your best bet.

They make external hard drives that tamper resistant, encased in epoxy with a manual, external keypad/pin. They don't rely on the computer they're connected to for encryption either. Basically, if someone steals it and they don't know the PIN -- they're SOL. Even if they try to pry the thing apart to get to the drive, it'll self-destruct.

They're pretty cool

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I know what you're talking about, but there are times when engineers need remote access. Even to the really secret stuff. It can only be accessed with the VPN card to get to the internal network. You can't even see it without the card.

you are correct, the things they can see on their laptops secure VPN IS the top secret stuff.... it read credentials and top secret level directly off the ID card just like a cell phone. (his work badge actually has a CELL sim built into it)


he wont tell me what level of top secret clearance he has, he said its against protocol to do so. but that basically he is privy to just about anything possible to be privy to as far as his company goes. I guess they also get an internal secret newsletter that goes out with internal only news, which he also wouldnt talk about. (youd think he could trust his son heh)

but all i know is for all of the talk on how much of a failure our GMD system is.... its COMPLETE BS... our GMD program is EXTENSIVE, and none of you ever need to worry about an ICBM attack, unless its an all out attack from russia or something with sheer quantity of missiles.


i was talking to him about the militarization of space and the pacts we have to not have weapons in space, especially the new lasers and such that they are designing right now. He made a really funny comment to me that got me thinking. i said ya know dad it sucks we cant put a laser in space to take out targets easily with no casualties. His reply was " what makes you think we need the laser in space, mirrors are not considered weapons..... " my jaw hit the floor and i realized i had never even thought about that.