Objects found in Malaysia Airlines search

reply to post by Trubeeleever


LOL! I'm sorry that I do. Home for a work-related injury, unfortunately. ahh well.

reply to post by Trubeeleever


I'm amazed at all the things you think you know. Exactly what secrets did Monica Lewinsky access?

Top Secret access isn't blanket even if you say it is.

reply to post by thetruth2014


The altitude changes are consistent with fighting a fire on board. Overflying the airport was because there was no longer a crew to land.

By all means, explain why a computer can't operate 8 hours without human intervention.

yorkshirelad
The pilot has his own simulator and yet he wiped his computer. So either mad or planning something illegal.

No, he erased some files in February. Perhaps he needed some room on his hard disk. Erasing files does not mean "conspiracy." It's a normal procedure.

The planes transponder was switched off meaning nobody knew where it was including people on the plane.

The plane's transponder WENT off. No one knows if it was "switched" off. Of course "nobody knew" and transponders don't talk to passengers.

The plane flew erratically to-from different altitudes.

Maybe. This "information" was derived from ground-based radar at a distance, not precise instrumentation aboard the plane. There is some question as to whether this information is legitimate. In any case, it doesn't mean anything by itself. You can say this is "proof" of a "struggle" or you can say "Pilot attempting to put out fire." Both are speculation.

Debris found at the limit of the planes travelling distance.

That may be true, but nothing else follows from it.

Come on folks....brains on....this is easy!!!!!

It was a plain old ordinary heist. The pilot and copilot know what was being transported on the plane....chinese gold for example. They practised the heist on their simulator making sure they had the right route, avoiding certain areas, drop off point for whatever was being stolen etc etc. They fly plane up to high altitiude and knockout all the passengers with low pressure. They put the plane on auto pilot to fly to the middle of the indian ocean where it will drop out of the sky when the fuel runs out. They bail out somewhere near malaysia with the contraband. The authorities in Malaysia know what was on the plane which is why they are being very cagey. You might even find that there was some report on some agents desk informing them of a possible hesist but the arrogance of authority made them ignore "such an outlandish idea".

Pure fantasy. Chinese gold? Where'd that come from? Simulator files? Unsubstantiated guesses. High altitude knocks out passengers with lack of pressure? The cabin is pressurized and 35,000 feet would work just as well. No need. Bail out with gold? Gold is pretty heavy. How did they do that, exactly? Just kind of trot over to the unpressurized cargo hold, attach multiple parachutes, push the gold out and follow it? Hey, D.B. Cooper! Malaysia being cagey? Try inexperienced and incompetent.

Pure fantasy. Would make a good movie, though. Write this up as a script and sell it to Hollywood. We can see it on History channel as a "documentary." And your story does trump laser weapons and tractor beams from UFOs.

Splodge
I have a sick feeling Australia is going to find the debris.

This would fold into my international relations -based theory that the US/Aus possibly other allies are responsible.

Australia is a strategic asset of the US in the SEA region. My belief is it will find the debris and It will then fall to Australia to start waging a 'war on terror' on SEA. The net effect of this will be to force countries to align themselves either with China or the US ('if you're not with us you're against us" type thing) as well as allow perhaps a greater military and intelligence presence in the region thus securing it further for western corporations.

It was George W. Bush's dearest wish for Australia to become the "sheriff" of SEA, a role which current conservative PM Tony Abbott is more than willing to take on as he loves bullying and is very good at it, as is his Foreign Relations Minister Julie Bishop (a glare that could kill at 100 metres). When this was tried before (under the conservative PM John Howard) SEA effectively shut Australia out of some trade talks and other regional think tanks. The Labor Party healed the rift to a degree during its time in power but but now the conservatives are back in power again, I would imagine it will stir quite the hornets nest in SEA if this comes to pass.

In short, God, i hope Australia doesn't find the debris.

edit on 19-3-2014 by Splodge because: typo

speculation upon speculation upon silly ideas

I think the plane was hijacked, and then flown to the far side of the moon.

Trubeeleever
reply to post by Zaphod58

 

Edward Snowden was a military programmer for the NSA. As soon as he realised what he was designing he blew the whistle.

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

The US'of'A military establishment will not tolerate a second misdemeanour within the programming ranks.

No, he wasn't. He wasn't a "military programmer" nor was he "designing" anything. He was a systems administrator running *Nix-based servers (Linux, Solaris, BSD, whatever), for which he gained deep access by many means over several months. He worked initially for Dell, that contracted with the NSA and later for another firm for just a few weeks before he was fired. He was most concerned about the NSA violating privacy laws.

These "programmers" on the airplane worked for a private company designing products they hoped to sell to the government. There is no information to suggest that they had access to government or NSA computers or were involved in any way in stealing US government information.

The two are not related. They aren't even close to the same thing.

Rob48

zarzelius
Listen guys, i just heard a meteorologist speak about the debris. He stated that the sea currents couldnt possibly take the pieces there unless the plain actually crashed on that spot.
Is any1 able to check this ?

Well, here's a map of ocean currents. Looks like in the area where they are searching, the current is coming from the southwest.

Also from that link, the FASTEST ocean curents such as the Gulf Stream average only about 2.5mph at their fastest. That implies that the currents in the Indian Ocean must be slower than that. Let's be generous and call it 2mph.

Let's call it 13 days since the plane crashed (again, slightly generous). That gives a maximum movement of the wreckage, by current alone, of about 2 x 24 x 13 = a little over 600 miles.

So obviously there could be some movement (although I think 600 miles is very much at the upper end of that) but there is no way that the wreckage could have drifted into that spot from anywhere near Malaysia.


Linda - if you are suggesting that the imagery is updating with the weather, then (a) shouldn't that cloud have moved by now, and (b) shouldn't it be dark at the moment? It's currently 9.30pm there, well after sunset.

edit on 20-3-2014 by Rob48 because: (no reason given)

That is a very helpful map, I hope everyone has looked at it.

If I'm looking at it the right way, it seems that the odds of the wreckage being located off Perth are pretty low. If it was already there within two weeks, to me that says the plane would have to crash far enough south to get caught in the South Equatorial Current and then ride the West Australia Current.

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Seems to me that the general "wreckage area" more or less fits with the southern vector of possibilities from the satellite pings. If the plane was following that track after the last ping it could have reached the debris site. It does fall slightly outside the "7 hour" range but we don't know exactly how much range the plane would have had. I don't see that it would have had to ride any currents to get where it is.

See this map

Rob48
reply to post by TheTalentedMrBryant

 

Seems to me that the general "wreckage area" more or less fits with the southern vector of possibilities from the satellite pings. If the plane was following that track after the last ping it could have reached the debris site. It does fall slightly outside the "7 hour" range but we don't know exactly how much range the plane would have had. I don't see that it would have had to ride any currents to get where it is.

See this map

edit on 20-3-2014 by Rob48 because: (no reason given)

I smell BS! no way the plane would have flown that far south if it was on fire! We're talking about a 7 hour flight ON FIRE? That wreckage they found is not of the plane, if they say it is they're full of crap!

reply to post by Cydonia2012


Because the crew probably knocked it out or down to the point it went out. A decompression would starve it of oxygen.

You guys do realise that live earth imagery isn't updated on a regular basis and that these images could date back anywhere from months to the 1980s? I can't believe people are wasting their time looking at old images.

It would cost them millions to update the imagery daily.

This is such a fundamental point and makes speculation based off such imagery irrelevant.

Cydonia2012

Rob48
reply to post by TheTalentedMrBryant

 

Seems to me that the general "wreckage area" more or less fits with the southern vector of possibilities from the satellite pings. If the plane was following that track after the last ping it could have reached the debris site. It does fall slightly outside the "7 hour" range but we don't know exactly how much range the plane would have had. I don't see that it would have had to ride any currents to get where it is.

See this map

edit on 20-3-2014 by Rob48 because: (no reason given)

I smell BS! no way the plane would have flown that far south if it was on fire! We're talking about a 7 hour flight ON FIRE? That wreckage they found is not of the plane, if they say it is they're full of crap!

Who's claiming for certain it was on fire? Nobody knows anything really at the moment.

Rob48
If anyone still cares, I have actually managed to pinpoint the "wreckage" in the pic by Linda. Here it is.

I still think it's a tree.

No I do not still care, but I don't know why nobody else has concluded that the 'straight white lines' are thin filaments of cloud in an otherwise blue sky (if one was looking up from the ground). Follow their course and you'll see that they are wisps of very thin cloud that have been pushed by prevaing winds, from wider masses of equally thin cloud.
Duh!

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Is there anything of interest towards the south pole that would cause someone to want to divert a plane there?

There must be a secret base or two??

If I had to guess I would guess it was flown in the opposite direction.

Cydonia2012

Rob48
reply to post by TheTalentedMrBryant

 

Seems to me that the general "wreckage area" more or less fits with the southern vector of possibilities from the satellite pings. If the plane was following that track after the last ping it could have reached the debris site. It does fall slightly outside the "7 hour" range but we don't know exactly how much range the plane would have had. I don't see that it would have had to ride any currents to get where it is.

See this map

edit on 20-3-2014 by Rob48 because: (no reason given)

I smell BS! no way the plane would have flown that far south if it was on fire! We're talking about a 7 hour flight ON FIRE? That wreckage they found is not of the plane, if they say it is they're full of crap!

Ya according to some it was on fire put on autopilot and ran out of fuel after some 8 hrs lol some ppl really need to get their head out of the sand

Zaphod58
reply to post by thetruth2014

 

The altitude changes are consistent with fighting a fire on board. Overflying the airport was because there was no longer a crew to land.

By all means, explain why a computer can't operate 8 hours without human intervention.

Because why would it fly over military radar on fire with the transponder on standby at 5000 feet and if on fire first protocol is to land and change course and reprogram waypoints plus nearest airports. Explain your fire on board theory based on that corroborated information ?

thetruth2014

Cydonia2012

Rob48
reply to post by TheTalentedMrBryant

 

Seems to me that the general "wreckage area" more or less fits with the southern vector of possibilities from the satellite pings. If the plane was following that track after the last ping it could have reached the debris site. It does fall slightly outside the "7 hour" range but we don't know exactly how much range the plane would have had. I don't see that it would have had to ride any currents to get where it is.

See this map

edit on 20-3-2014 by Rob48 because: (no reason given)

I smell BS! no way the plane would have flown that far south if it was on fire! We're talking about a 7 hour flight ON FIRE? That wreckage they found is not of the plane, if they say it is they're full of crap!

Ya according to some it was on fire put on autopilot and ran out of fuel after some 8 hrs lol some ppl really need to get their head out of the sand

If it was on fire and the cabin was deprived of oxygen and everyone passed out then the fire would have gone out of control to compromise the structure of the airplane and it would have crashed mush sooner than where they're looking.

If the pilots were able to get the fire put out then they would have never flown so far south. Unless the damage to the cabin was so great that they had no way to communicate or change course and they were simply helpless and dead in the sky.

SO which is it? Why look there?? TO divert our attention from the real reason it crashed or to hide where it was flown for some unknown reason?

reply to post by thetruth2014


They programmed an airport that took them towards a 13000 foot runway that was the nearest with no terrain to have to avoid then went to fight the fire. They used a different airport that was programmed instead of taking the time to program where they were aiming for.

moth115
reply to post by Cydonia2012

 

Is there anything of interest towards the south pole that would cause someone to want to divert a plane there?

There must be a secret base or two??

If I had to guess I would guess it was flown in the opposite direction.

Well there is mcmurdo station