Do you believe in a Creator?, If so why do you believe in a Creator?

1) I think therefore I am
So at least I know for a certainty that I exist and that existence is real. Even if I am all that exists and everything else is a dream/illusion, I am the creator of this dream/illusion and therefore I believe in a creator.

2) You cannot go back indefinitely from a point in time or a series of processes because if you could then you would never have reached the point where you are now. There had to be a starting point. When it comes to the universe, this starting point is the creator.

3) If I am created, and therefore not the creator, who created the creator? This question is the wrong question to be asking, just because it is a question that can be asked, it does not mean it is the right question, that it addresses the reality or that it is meaningful. In fact it is a paradox and meaningless because by very definition "the creator" has no creator. Therefore the creator is the un-created one, the first cause.

To some it is what caused the universe to expand, to others it is themselves, to others it is a creative force inherent in the stuff of the universe, to others it is a loving God.

Incidentally either the first cause actually spoke to Moses or Moses was a first class philosopher ahead of his time.
Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And he said, "Say this to the people of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
That's it, "I AM", the essence of existence, always been, always am.

Cinrad
Incidentally either the first cause actually spoke to Moses or Moses was a first class philosopher ahead of his time.
Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM."

Wow, and Popeye said "I yam what I yam".

The father, the son, the holy spirit and the sailor man.

Levels of responsibility, infinite progression is the platform with many tests and responsibilities downloaded from higher levels to lower ones, all the way up. Intelligent Design and tweaking was done by different Cosmic workers/ETs, not just one. We come from different family groups. But thats just the body, and the whole system comes from outside the Universe, Beyond, projected in onto the plasma screen, so its actually a playpen created by Higher Ups/Family/God, from HOME.

God is the hard one to define. I don't know what I believe there except I believe in Good Family and Mother/Father. Family grouping. I suspect that the Infinite Spirit of Peace and Love and essence of Spirit that interconnects souls is God/Creator, but not in the usual way, and Family is more akin to infinite fractals, each flowing out of the other, so we would have Mom/Dad, Uncles/Aunts, Grandparents, Great Grandparents, all infinite parts of infinity.

reply to post by AlienView


And the chicken said, "I made the egg".

My sign posts of intelligent design:

A seed, an egg, DNA, cell division, the magic of the womb.

Question:

Why does a fetus grow air breathing lungs when it forms in a bubble of water (the womb)?

Obseravtion:

Computers will never know that they know. The most they will ever be capable of is executing the next instruction.

If the universe happened by intelligent design, why did it take four billion years for humans to pop up? It takes four billion years for a higher intelligence to make something intelligent? Pfft.

And as for the 4 billion years. Cycles, and universe are older than this, infinity is the game.

Dvd runs occur many times.

Saying humans, or human type cosmic beings, because our model is relatively common, not the exception, amongst other beings, considering the infinite runs and that all things have Creators/Designers from above and beyond the system, to say, what came first, insect, reptile, mammal, is erroneous. Its more like saying, which came first, the chicken or the egg? These are perpetual runs for infinite spirit children that need to grow up in Love and Goodness.

Every part of the universe gets recycled in the black holes and spit back out again, infinitely.

Every run may have a beginning and an end, but in infinity, it just continues.

All those here now human, could already have been reptile or insect, so we're not talking about babes in the woods, but many who have journeyed long in the system.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


How long does it take to "terraform" a lifeless planet? Or make a diamond?

But I wasn't there either.

reply to post by intrptr


An example, if earth was ravaged by a very large scale cycle, and a new start was occurring, (which is not happening soon, this is go out into the solar system and hopefully not under darth vaders banner cycle, in other words start to empower the people).

But, some groups would be taken up, often the children. In space, from above, in a different time zone, it would seem as if it took perhaps months or a few years, while much longer periods of time occurred on earth. large scale ice ages, while the planet rests and restores, with mile high ice grinding down the past, evidence mostly hidden and buried for the long hidden civilizations, and most probably a new prototype or cookie cutter human body suit, or humanoid.

Those children might be young adults by the time it was finished in their perception of time. Time doesnt exist its perceptional, a program in your computer brain.

intrptr
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

How long does it take to "terraform" a lifeless planet? Or make a diamond?

But I wasn't there either.

You would think a superior or "higher" intelligence would know how to do it instantly. At least, everyone around here seems to assume that such an entity would be like a superpowerful "done in a flash" miracle-worker.

Also: "I wasn't there". None of us were, theists or atheists. Not a single person on this planet was there, dead or alive. So by that logic, none of us has anything but an opinion on the matter. Bottom line.

Children are always taken off when cycles happen, and planets reorganzied so to speak. They always take some of the kids.

No, Do not believe in one, tho im open to the idea.

To my current understand whether something has a creator or not is useless.

There is no way to prove such things, so it has no point value for discussing.

I let the thing be until its time where it is important and needed to be investigated,,,

i don't know something like a giant light in the sky talking or something?

Personal faith and vision are for the individual themselves and no others, it goes for the guy who spoke to the burning bush, the snake, and the hearing voices in the caves.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

You would think a superior or "higher" intelligence would know how to do it instantly. At least, everyone around here seems to assume that such an entity would be like a super powerful "done in a flash" miracle-worker.

Yah, the 7 day thing. We both agree thats a lot of contrived nonsense, errm… religion.

If you can prove everything is a creation, you can prove it was created by a designer, but there is nothing that shows it is a creation. There's no signature, no blueprints, no design—no designer.

reply to post by Aphorism


Vegetables can't see their gardeners either.

intrptr
reply to post by Aphorism

 

Vegetables can't see their gardeners either.

Vegetables can't build microscopes, telescopes, or space shuttles or satellites. So I really don't think vegetables make an effective analogy.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


I see. You are "more" sophisticated…

…how about 2D "Flatlanders" arguing about "up"?

I welcome your take as well.

intrptr
Vegetables can't see their gardeners either.

I would put as much faith in a vegetable's concept of a gardener as I would a human's concept of a creator.

reply to post by intrptr

Vegetables can't see their gardeners either.

Are you implying we designed vegetables? Or are you implying that we are like vegetables, and that someone is cultivating us for consumption? In the end, the statement is vacuous.

intrptr
reply to post by AfterInfinity

 

I see. You are "more" sophisticated…

…how about 2D "Flatlanders" arguing about "up"?

I welcome your take as well.

I don't understand your question. Are you talking about inhabitants of a two-dimensional reality pondering the existence of a third dimension? Well, I suppose if you wanted to compare their quandary to ours, you'd have to explain what our equivalent is supposed to be.

reply to post by AlienView


I believe in spiritual energy since I know how it feels in the body and can use it for instance with Reiki to calm another person down and make them relax in a high level like a being does when he/she for instance meditates.

Since I have played around a little with synchronicity with psychics I am able to send information that the receiver can tell me back if the receiver is not ego projecting, and because of that I know that I am connected to another being even if we are separated by time and space.

If you wanna call where the ki/light that comes from "the creator" or source do not really matter to me. The oneness with everything is the oneness with everything no matter what view religious or scientific you create.

Boxed man made views are not interesting to me. Understanding what is hiding behind those views are what interesting to me.

Namaste