Psycho in Plano, Tx.

not really sure if this fits in this thread, Mods feel free to move if you see fit..

Anyway, here's the deal. Some seriously wacked out mother here in Plano (a suburb of Dallas, Tx) was arrested today for SEVERING off her 11 month old daughters arms.

DALLAS (AP) -- When a mother admitted killing her baby daughter by severing the child's arms this week, she joined a high-profile list of Texas women with histories of mental illness who have killed their children in gruesome fashion.


Here's a link to the story

www.cnn.com...

Now, they have been discussing this on local radio all day, playing the 911 tapes and all..And i'll tell you she sounds extremely- disturbingly calm. She speaking to the 911 operator in a very flat, monotone voice.

All the while you hear religious music playing in the background. And this is not the first occourence of something this bad happening in this city. (This just happens to be the most disturbing).
My wondering here is, are religious oganizations attracting or producing people that are this disturbed? Anyone here from the N. Texas area and familiar with this story?

[edit on 23-11-2004 by thethrall_nb]

[edit on 23-11-2004 by thethrall_nb]

It's odd that in that story you linked that one woman said that God told her to do it and she is from Texas.

Does'nt someone else from Texas have an awful lot of deaths on their hands and they claim God to him to do it? Hmmmm

Must be something in the oil down there in Texas.

Someone needs to cut that rags arms and legs off and throw her in the damn ocean.


[edit on 23-11-2004 by evecasino]

Yes, I'm from Dallas area, and yes, I've heard the story.

As to the religious aspect, yes, I think there's a connection. Although I don't know this particular woman's religious orientation, it is obviously Christian of some form.

The person who kills family members under an extreme psychosis often has other "warning signs." They will tend to be isolated and of a "God talks to me personally" persuasion and someone who "listens to signs."

Not everyone who believes these things will go to this extreme, but if a person is psychotic, these beliefs and attitudes seem to offer a tendency toward acting out homicidal impulses.

Related thread on ATSNN:
NEWS: Woman Charged With Cutting Off Arms And Killing Baby in Texas

Well, from the news i heard , She and her family lived in Keller, Tx, and in a very nice home from what i heard. And she appearently found this "church" they then proceeded to sell off a majority of their belongings and moved to Plano to be closer to this "church"

Another strange thing is that, they have 2 other children (ages 6 and 9) and the father and two older kids lived in an apartment down stairs, and the mother and 11 month old lived in an apartment upstairs....

I have lived in Plano, TX most of my life, until 1 year ago. Small town, but very Corporate, with lots of money.

Numerous corporations in the US have their corporate offices there. Churches on every corner, a couple the size of malls nearby! Many very famous people have homes there. It is also a very educated town, all of the schools are "exemplary" in rating. And everyone also says if you graduate from a school in Plano you are recognized by almost every college. I guess there are sick people everywhere!

I have gotten ridiculed about Plan-0 all my life because even though there is massive amounts of money there it is very, very, plain! Guess it's not any more because everyone is talking about it. Dont ask me exactly why, but Im going back

It's Plano...I'm serious. Move away.

Springer's ex-wife was in Plano - psycho as Bates on a Hotel night.

Plano-weird...that's what it is.

I've heard of post-partum depression before,... but this is a big step away from that. Lady needs some serious help.




I used to live in Plano also years ago,... a unique place for sure,.. and with a couple of skeletons in the closet too. (and whats with that sheep farmer with a whole city block farm,... a couple of miles off Jupiter? (Actually I know, and commend him if the farm is still there.))

No Plano is not weird. Just so happens there are some weird ones in the area Plano was rated #1 place in the nation to live a couple years back. You can support a family nicely there.

Only problem is the heat there, the summers are brutal, although this last one was not too bad.

I can also see where depression can get you there....unless you like to eat out or shop (great places). But there is very little natural beauty, mostly cement.

There's only one cure for this: tubal ligation....

Originally posted by smirkley


I used to live in Plano also years ago,... a unique place for sure,.. and with a couple of skeletons in the closet too. (and whats with that sheep farmer with a whole city block farm,... a couple of miles off Jupiter? (Actually I know, and commend him if the farm is still there.))

Are you talking about the Haggard's land or what used to be Ross Perot's land, (may still be)? Exact location?

It just so happens that I'm from Plano, TX! And yes I was around when the heroin craze occured in the highschools. Plano is host to some weird people. It's a great reprensentation of the current political system.

The "heroin Craze" happened due to the knowledge that the teenagers sported lots of money and cars in the 40k - 50k range, the drug dealers followed this lead. My kids were in the schools at that time. I do regret the upbringing of children there, they adapt a warped view of the real world.

As for this lady, who knows what snapped, very, very heart breaking. But it seems like little ole Plano, keeps it's name in the news every few years!

Originally posted by Gizmoqt
Are you talking about the Haggard's land or what used to be Ross Perot's land, (may still be)? Exact location?

I dont recall the name of the land owner,... I lived off Jupiter, and driving toward 75 on the way to work,... amidst all the developments,... was this huge farm.

I remember it seems he was constantly being pressured to rezone and develop or sell his land,... but he steadfastly refused,... and he paid the lowest taxes per acre in the whole community. He was kinda defying the city by refusing to give up the farm.

Originally posted by Gizmoqt


Numerous corporations in the US have their corporate offices there. Churches on every corner, a couple the size of malls nearby! Many very famous people have homes there. It is also a very educated town, all of the schools are "exemplary" in rating. And everyone also says if you graduate from a school in Plano you are recognized by almost every college. I guess there are sick people everywhere!

Guess it's not any more because everyone is talking about it.

Dont ask me exactly why, but Im going back

Yeah, but look how people are usually talkin' about it. Before this incident, there was the one 'bout a local teacher going nuts and shooting her husband and daughter, befroe that there where all the Heroine related fatalties.

All these Seriously F**ed up things happen in this somewhat small suburb, and no one really seems to notice for longer than a week...

Not to mention there was a point (I believe between 1999-2001) that Plano was ranked the number one city for teenage suicides.

It is tragic that this woman was not able to participate in a post-partum depression support group or to contact a social service agency to intervene before she committed this horrendous crime of maternal filicide.

Why do women kill their own children? Research shows that in the US, women commit only 2 crimes as frequently as men. The first is shoplifting, the second murder of their own children. Women commit less than 13 percent of all violent crimes in the US, yet commit about 50 percent of all parental murders!

Children under the age of 5 in the United States are more likely to be killed by their parents than anyone else.

View the Child Fatality Data by State chart at:

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Any updates on this story?

I discovered that this lady lived minutes from my house in Plano. I'm currently living in the UK so local news is just a little hard to come by.