The worship of maleness

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I have no hatred towards women or hatred towards feminine things. All I am asking for is a male temple, a place where OUR virtues and ideals are championed, preserved, and taught to our little brothers. That is my expectation from a fully developed nation.

In that case you would not mind that women have a place of their own to fulfull their own potential.. and to nurture it in their younger sisters.

I haven't the time to spend debating withladies about this matter. It seems folly to do so, anyway.

You seem to know very little about women.. how can you pretend to know what drives them?

So ladies? There is a much bigger topic at hand, and I don't see ANY of you dealing with it.

Why do you bother asking when you have already deemed their opinions folly anyway? Are you just 'challenging' to inflate your ego? If males are suppose to be so naturally strong women wouldn't be able to influence them.

You just want to live like everything is OK, take your share and go. That is why I say to you, you are not worthy of equality with males.

I personally have no desire to be 'equal' to a man.. if I were to do that it I would only be hindered by his limitations.

Good for you.

Tell me ladies, what exactly DO YOU worship? Does what you worship ever occur in YOU? Or does it occur in men only?

Let us know, thanks.

Ark

Originally posted by TrueLies
Maleness to me is something less deep then what you posted...

I worship a good looking bulky body, ripped arms, and a nice tummy amonst other things...

Sorry to go a little off-track.. But, I find this post (the very first post after Arky's original) to be absolutely hilarious.

It does nothing but give credit to Arkaleus' arguement.

At first I thought it was like a sarcastic/joke post, then I realized that the poster was serious.

You may be on to something Arkaleus

Actually, I have agreed with many things you have said in here, as much as it pains me to admit it. There are some things I find kinda radical, but it could just be misunderstanding your real meaning. The part I most agree with though is how sick .. I dont think you said "sick", Im using it though.. it is that people adorn themselves with pleasures of the flesh. How people grunt and bang on their chests all in an effort to attract the oh-so-important opposite (or perhaps same) sex. Its something I have never understood, and because of that "standing on the outside looking in", I have seen how much of a negative effect sex and the "hunt" for sex actually has on the world and its peoples. But thats another story, and this thread isnt for me to express my displeasure with our culture of pleasure. (Hoho, see what I did there, clever clever me)

Keep it at arky and I might not "strike at you from the shadows" as much anymore

[Edited on 26-11-2004 by shidge.]

would dare say that the TV is where we are getting our gods from now, the MALE learned to be male from the ridiculous imaginary people he sees on tv. He thinks the drama and the comedy of TV shows are the models for his own behavior. I don't mean violence and foolishness, I mean he takes his social cues from TV. He speaks like them, dresses like them, and seeks what they are selling.

Arkaleus

Arlaleus, i beleive the above applies equally to both genders. There is no more individuality, we have become the models of our own infatuations. we no longer have any "real" role models, rather we follow like sheep, instead of boldy leading. Each generation perpetuates the fallacys and falsehood of the last. Where did we lose the way? When did mammon and shallow commercialism become god?

[Edited on 26-11-2004 by instar]

It is no coincidence. It has happened uniformly, over every region of the united states. Once the powers at be learned what these things were, they began to replace them with their own creations. Now they have won what they are seeking, they have stolen the minds of the people, throwing thick darkness over them.

They have made them ready for slavery and submission, because that is what they are building for everyone.

Arkaleus

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Good for you.

Tell me ladies, what exactly DO YOU worship? Does what you worship ever occur in YOU? Or does it occur in men only?

I don't 'worship'..that would imply that there is seperation between a more universal energy.. I 'connect'/embody that energy instead.. besides which.. since when has worship been exclusively a male thing? Why do you refer to 'ladies' as if we all clones of the same individual? My point of view is only that of one individual so it wouldn't apply to most women. You are very closed minded. If I took on your commercialised perception of humanity I would assume that most men have no spirituality whatsoever and worship their own penises and expect all others to do the same.

Connected to what? Can you describe it? Or is it just what you say?

What are the virtuous properties that you absorb from this connection? What are the advantages of being connected to it, versus being disconnected?

Can you describe (or PRAISE) this thing you are joined to? Does it have a name? A shape? Where did it come from? Does it have a will or a mind or a way that you can relate to us?

What is it you embody? What is better about it than say, a demon or an alien? Are you honestly your own being, so that I might not group you with all women? Why don't you give us some real words and reasoned expressions, instead of just insulting the gentlemen and leaving? I think you are incapable of doing so!

Arkaleus



[Edited on 27-11-2004 by Arkaleus]

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Connected to what? Can you describe it? Or is it just what you say?

What are the virtuous properties that you absorb from this connection? What are the advantages of being connected to it, versus being disconnected?

Can you describe (or PRAISE) this thing you are joined to? Does it have a name? A shape?

No. I.. I don't think it's an individual being. It's the combined energy that resonates from everything in the cosmos.. including me. It helps me have empathy to all living things.. most importantly [because I am one].. the thing I hold in a higher regard is human beings.. we have alot of potential.

Where did it come from? Does it have a will or a mind or a way that you can relate to us?

Doubt it.. it's an energy.. I'm not sure about 'will' as fate seems to sometimes be preordained as 'destiny'.. which could be just probability.

What is it you embody? What is better about it than say, a demon or an alien?

I don't believe in 'demons'.. [negative 'ghosts'/spirits I'm not sure about] and aliens are a part of the universe so I guess I'm connected to them as well. Lucky them.

Are you honestly your own being, so that I might not group you with all women?

Yes I am.. besides which so are many other women.. it's just your definition of them I have a problem with.

Why don't you give us some real words and reasoned expressions, instead of just insulting the gentlemen and leaving? I think you are incapable of doing so!

I was waiting for the hypocricy. Maybe I was just emmulating you?* Your perception of women is ludicrous.. and your defintion of 'gentlemen' is laughable. Your perception:

Like a huffing she-bear in full heat, swollen loins, panting tongue - this is how the race of women appears to me. Desiring nothing but the pouring of seed, and the insatiable lust for offspring and little children, whom they coddle and drain for what they desire most, which is the life of the creative force, which they are powerless to bring into being by themselves.

That was insulting. Seems the only women you see are strippers, prostitutes, porn stars and whats spoon fed to you by the media.. this does not equate to the typical female. My main desire in life is not to procreate or 'pour seed'.. though it's often offered. Breeding is just breeding.. I don't consider it some sort of conquest or power thing.. it just is. Do not try condemn me to your primitive ideals.. they do not define me. Alot of 'men' I come across try reduce me into your same narrow little cage hoping I will adhere to it.. they are only flattering/pulling themselves with this deluded fantasy. Have you ever considered that the main reason you see women this way, despite their MANY other virtues and aspirations.. is because your OWN swollen loins render you INCAPABLE of seeing anything else?

[Edited on 28-11-2004 by riley]typos

[Edited on 28-11-2004 by riley]

Lads:

Not a single virtue did she relate, nor a single allegory make.

Her lesson was all herself lads, she has no names for her gods. Not a single virtue could she tell us, except empathy, which is merely the feeling of other's feelings. A spy has more in common with her than any sort of wise person.

If the way of the female be empathy, then I say they are a race of covert spies, obsessing and fondling, reading the thoughts of other people and positioning themselves to their own advantage by these impressions.

What writing have you? Our ancestors did not teach you to be literate. Have ye letters? I am not adverse to your learning, but most of you are without clothing. What philosophy have you read? What have you written?

You desire power, but have no understanding of goodness. You desire to influence other beings, but to what end? What do you intend to do with the power you have in this world? Can you answer?

Do you liberate other beings from your own influence? Do you restrain your empathy in the interest of Liberty, and freedom? Do you set someone free, and let them go, or do you seek to do to others what you would not want done to yourself?

You have but a little ground upon which to stand, and of that you can tell me little, if anything.

If a woman desire to assert her equality with a man, let her come forth and state her case clearly. Give us some speech about virtue, or Liberty! Tell us about morality, or a great woman who has advanced civilization, or perhaps is reknown for nobility. Let us hear these stories, so we do not remain so unconvinced of your pretended status in our "new world."

Arkaleus

Originally posted by Arkaleus
Lads:

Not a single virtue did she relate, nor a single allegory make.

Her lesson was all herself lads, she has no names for her gods.

I never said I had a god. I'm buddhist more than anything.. I would not presume to give it a name.. unlike the hundreds that it already 'has'.. and the millions still that have been slaughtered in it's 'name'.

Not a single virtue could she tell us, except empathy, which is merely the feeling of other's feelings. A spy has more in common with her than any sort of wise person.

You are making an example of me now? If I said I were male you would no doubt have had an entirely different response. Your rhetoric is probably not so dissimilar to what was being spewed as 'witches' were being burned alive.

I noticed you conveniently neglected to answer my question. Can you answer it honestly?:

Have you ever considered that the main reason you see women this way, despite their MANY other virtues and aspirations.. is because your OWN swollen loins render you INCAPABLE of seeing anything else?

I'm getting the impression that the lusts you accuse women of having is the lusts you are trying to hide. Pass the buck.

BTW. The virtue of empathy is that it makes people reluctent to harm others as they would feel it as well. As is evident from the brutal wars and violence man has committed over the ages.. empathy is obviously not something they practice a great deal. Empathy also creates compassion.. when somone sees someone suffering it is the feeling that is evoked and so they help them. Historically this has been and almost exclusively female trait. You also started this thread trying to teach and encourage hate against women.. hate begets hate and nothing good will ever come of it. Whilst women do bare children.. part of their nature is to create anyway; women nuture.. men destroy. As far as I'm concerned they forfeited the right to call themselves morally and spiritually superior long ago.

[Edited on 28-11-2004 by riley]

I speak roughly to you and it was not called for.

Please feel free to learn some of the keys of goodness - The golden rule is the best of them.

I do not live by my bodily lusts. I practise love according to the joy of my happiness. I have no intercourse with women. Nor do I have intercourse with men. That would be yucky.

I have a happy heart today and I don't want to be mean, so I am going to leave it at that.

Arkaleus

Originally posted by Arkaleus
I speak roughly to you and it was not called for.

Please feel free to learn some of the keys of goodness - The golden rule is the best of them.

I do not live by my bodily lusts. I practise love according to the joy of my happiness. I have no intercourse with women. Nor do I have intercourse with men. That would be yucky.

I have a happy heart today and I don't want to be mean, so I am going to leave it at that.

Arkaleus

I did not expect you to try redeem yourself.. er.. may the force be with you.
I do believe that alot of your contempt for women may be sexual frustration/repression or something else as it is not within reason.. but it is not their fault.. you can't see the good in people if you insist on only seeing the bad.