Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by DJW001

 

The issue here is not what Putin wants, it's Crimean people's concern.
If they vote to stay in Ukraine, I will be the first one to step in and say I respect that.
And it is my opinion that Russia will respect decision of Crimean people.

edit on 12-3-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: (no reason given)

With Russian boots in Crimea with guns it's hard to see that referendum will be legal.

DJW001

zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by MessageforAll

 

G-7 Warns Russia Of "Grave Consequences" If Crimea Annexed

Those are exactly Obama's words when he made his first statement about Crimea.
So puppets are only copy-pasting.

*G-7 CALLS ON RUSSIA TO 'DE-ESCALATE THE CONFLICT IN CRIMEA'

Maybe I'm blind, but I'm not seeing any conflict there, only conflict is in the sick minds of EU-US officials.

*RUSSIA ANNEXATION OF CRIMEA WOULD VIOLATE UN CHARTER: G-7

Russia wont annex anything. It's the people of Crimea that wants unification with Russia.

*G-7 CALLS ON RUSSIA TO HALT SUPPORT FOR CRIMEA REFERENDUM

How can "most democratic states" to call halt for referendum which is the most democratic principle. Hypocrisy much?

*G-7 SAYS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE RESULT OF CRIMEA REFERENDUM

Masks felt. Their true face has been revealed.

What do you suppose will happen if the vote doesn't go the way Putin wants? Serious question. Will the Russians simply leave?

If I remember correctly, Putin's last win at elections was sketchy at best. I think we all know how this vote will go. Rather its a true representation of ALL the people there or not, no one will ever be 100% sure. (Could really be pro Russian. I'm not Crimean so I wouldn't know, but I have a feeling Tatars will discriminated in this)

xavi1000

zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by DJW001

 

The issue here is not what Putin wants, it's Crimean people's concern.
If they vote to stay in Ukraine, I will be the first one to step in and say I respect that.
And it is my opinion that Russia will respect decision of Crimean people.

edit on 12-3-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: (no reason given)

With Russian boots in Crimea with guns it's hard to see that referendum will be legal.

Sorry, but those are western media biased reports.
There are no presence of troops in the streets of Crimea, life is still the same there.

reply to post by maddy21


What the hell does it matter what putin thinks . Crimea is not his . So if Pakistani leader thinks kashmir is his and there's a rally in pakistan , should india just say 'oh they have a legitmate right' .

Why is this thread not in the Hoax bin? Russia never declared war on anybody!

zilebeliveunknown

xavi1000

zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by DJW001

 

The issue here is not what Putin wants, it's Crimean people's concern.
If they vote to stay in Ukraine, I will be the first one to step in and say I respect that.
And it is my opinion that Russia will respect decision of Crimean people.

edit on 12-3-2014 by zilebeliveunknown because: (no reason given)

With Russian boots in Crimea with guns it's hard to see that referendum will be legal.

Sorry, but those are western media biased reports.
There are no presence of troops in the streets of Crimea, life is still the same there.

With all due respect it is abundantly clear that Russian troops are in Crimea. There is no such thing as "pro-Russian forces". Those men are from the Russian military. There is a pretty good report by a NATO Commander that was posted on NATO's website pointing the aforementioned out. Even some of the soldiers have been caught admitting they are from the Russian army.

zilebeliveunknown

Sorry, but those are western media biased reports.
There are no presence of troops in the streets of Crimea, life is still the same there.

Hahahahaha, thanks for the laugh

What are these? Crimean independence mighty army ?

DrunkYogi
Why is this thread not in the Hoax bin? Russia never declared war on anybody!

Not the thread makers fault. He had to use the headline in the original article (as per ATS rules) and it was obviously over sensational, but this is a good thread on what all sides are reporting. Even false and sensationalized headlines.
This has been brought up and buried under hundreds of pages a few times now.

reply to post by ProfessorT

reply to post by xavi1000

You guys might want to read my post again carefully.
But it's ok, I don't expect you to see what has been posted since your minds are already predetermined.

DrunkYogi
Why is this thread not in the Hoax bin? Russia never declared war on anybody!

The Implication of what Russia is doing .. is war all but in name.
They have invaded a sovereign nation.. with de-tagged Servicemen.

That's an act of war by any standards.

reply to post by zilebeliveunknown


Lol what are you smoking and where can I get some . Its abundantly clear who those troops are . I mean siriusly lol . I can't even think who else they would be if tried to .

Foxtrot7x
reply to post by maddy21

 

What the hell does it matter what putin thinks . Crimea is not his . So if Pakistani leader thinks kashmir is his and there's a rally in pakistan , should india just say 'oh they have a legitmate right' .

Kashmir ? where the hell did Kashmir come from ? ... lol ..... Go open a new thread if you want a history lesson on Kashmir , no need to derail it...

Crimea has been Russian for 300 years the change of allegiance for past 20 years changes nothing , if Crimea wants to join Russia and if Russia wants Crimea to join Russia, who the Hell are the west or anyone else to interfere ?

zilebeliveunknown

But it's ok, I don't expect you to see what has been posted since your minds are already predetermined.

You sir, are waste of time.Everyone sane and rational person , even Russians KNOWS that Russia invaded Crimea which is part of Ukraine.If you get that come later and we will debate.

reply to post by maddy21


I don't want to open a new thread but you know very well what I meant by using kashmir as an example. Please don't side track my question. As for russia being Crimean for 300 years , I think they were part of Ukraine technically before this mess started. And frankly you are only thinking about the majority pro russian Crimean people who want to join russia. What about the rest ? Ofc you don't care . It does not give a country the right to invade another country on the basis of what some of its people want . So let me ask you following your own analogy, turkey also has a right to crimea so if the tartar people ask for it should turkey also invade it ? I eagerly await your answer .

reply to post by xavi1000

I'll try again, but mind you, I'm not ophthalmologist nor do I treat blind persons.
I didn't say they aren't Russian troops.
What I said is that there are no troops in the STREETS, and life's still going fine over there.

General Dempsey: US ready for military response to Russia if Crimean conflict escalates

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States General Martin Dempsey has claimed that in the case of an escalation of unrest in Crimea, the U.S. Army is ready to back up Ukraine and its allies in Europe with military actions.

According to the Web site of the Atlantic Council, Dempsey said that "he's been talking to his military counterparts in Russia, but he's also sending a clear message to Ukraine and members of NATO that the U.S. military will respond militarily if necessary."

"We're trying to tell [Russia] not to escalate this thing further into Eastern Ukraine, and allow the conditions to be set for some kind of resolution in Crimea. We do have treaty obligations with our NATO allies. And I have assured them that if that treaty obligation is triggered [in Europe], we would respond," Dempsey said.

According to the General, the incursion of Russian troops into the Crimea creates risks for all the countries of Europe and NATO allies. "If Russia is allowed to do this, which is to say move into a sovereign country under the guise of protecting ethnic Russians in Ukraine, it exposes Eastern Europe to some significant risk, because there are ethnic enclaves all over Eastern Europe and the Balkans," Dempsey said.

This is the first clear sign from the US that they may use military action in the event of further escalation in Crimea but what will they determine as an "escalation"? Also Ukraine believe that Russia are getting ready to launch a full invasion of the country. I think this Sunday will determine which way this bloodless conflict (so far) will go.

reply to post by Foxtrot7x


If Majority wants it and they vote for it through a referendum then its as legal as it gets , now for those saying the referendum is through a barrel of a gun.. No it isn't...Voting is done in a booth, an enclosed space and hence no body has any clue whom a person voted for , so forcing a person to vote for someone is very stupid.... As for the minorities , too bad .. Nothing really can be done if the majority wants to join.. it would be quiet stupid to upset the majority to please a minority

www.worldbulletin.net...

reply to post by ProfessorT


I expect a military response in Syria , i really doubt they would respond by directly engaging Russians in their own backyard . I hope not. IF a war starts there is little doubt that it will escalate pretty badly into a nuclear conflict . Neither Russia nor America will give in ...

zilebeliveunknown
reply to post by xavi1000

 

I'll try again, but mind you, I'm not ophthalmologist nor do I treat blind persons.
I didn't say they aren't Russian troops.
What I said is that there are no troops in the STREETS, and life's still going fine over there.

And you would be wrong plenty of videos showing armed russian troops walking around on the streets and setting up checkpoints and in general taking over by moving airdefense digging ditches and fortifying areas.They have taken over the downtown areas,as they say Hitler would appreciate how efficient the Russians were but then again they have plenty of practice.

reply to post by maddy21


IF the U.S. responds it will be with NATO from troops in neighboring countries like Poland moving into Ukraine. The treaty obligation would force action in the region, not in Syria, unfortunately.