Those Fake Death Numbers From Hamas Out Of Gaza

Biden Admin Should Check Hamas Ministry of Health Death Stats Expert Warns

He noted that the proportion of deaths reported through media sources has increased from about 30% in December to nearly 80% in the first quarter of 2024. There are irregularities in the death toll reported through media sources, like the gender breakdown of victims, which he says is "so skewed that it is almost hard to believe."

If one combines both categories of victims, he says, it appears that around 70% of victims are women and children, as Hamas has claimed. Utilizing only the first category of individuals, whose records the health ministry labels as "complete," about 60% of victims are women and children.

Adesnik referenced the work of economist Michael Spagat, a longtime proponent of the accuracy of the Ministry of Health’s data. Spagat recently found 3,407 records within the data set of supposedly complete records that have been duplicated, have missing or invalid identification numbers, or lack an age for the deceased. When these records are removed from the first category’s count, Spagat found that 53.3% of victims were women and children.

originally posted by: Lazy88
In other words. How many children deaths in Gaza are part of children under 18 fighting for extremists in some way?

And all the teenagers who are fighting for Hamas and who die ... they'll be listed as 'children deaths' by Hamas and the useful idiot Hamas-huggers won't even question it.

Biden Admin Should Check Hamas Ministry of Health Death Stats Expert Warns

Adesnik also encouraged closer scrutiny of children in Hamas’ death figures, explaining that many Hamas fighters are under the age of 18. "If you look at the gender breakdown of people who died under the age of 18, you can see the teenagers have a surplus of men," he explained.

Gabriel Epstein, a research assistant at The Washington Institute’s Koret Project on Arab-Israel Relations, reported in January the "many reasons to treat Gaza Ministry of Health and [Government Media Office] fatality numbers with skepticism," including their underreporting of male deaths. By March 26, Epstein noted that "discrepancies in official Palestinian counts and their growing reliance on questionable data" have ensured the ministry’s "numbers themselves have lost any claim to validity."

From 2014 ... many more have been trained by now I'm sure.

Numbers more than double in second year of Gaza’s ‘Pioneers of Liberation’ program; females also trained

13,000 Teens Complete Hamas Training Camps

The Hamas government in Gaza celebrated the graduation on Monday of paramilitary camps geared at training high-school children “to follow in the footsteps of the suicide martyrs.”

The camps, titled “the pioneers of liberation,” are run by Hamas’s ministries of education and interior. Some 13,000 students in grades 10-12 participated in the one-week training camps this year, compared to 5,000 last year when the program was launched, Israeli sources with knowledge of the program said.

The corps of instructors consists mainly of active members of Hamas’s security forces, and the curriculum includes weapons training, first aid, self defense, marching exercises and “security awareness” classes on identifying Israeli spies.

And another crop of 15,000 teenagers complete Hamas training one year later.

15,000 Young Gazans Complete Hamas Terror Training Camps

Recruits aged 15 and up taught how to kidnap soldiers, use weapons, and infiltrate into Israel through tunnels

Thousands of recruits as young as 15 learned how to kidnap soldiers, use weapons, and infiltrate into Israel though tunnels at a Hamas paramilitary training camp in Gaza.

On Thursday, some 15,000 Gazan teenagers and young men graduated from the week-long training camps, called the “Pioneers of Liberation.” The 15-21-year-olds underwent military training for the armed wing of Hamas, Izaddin al-Qassam, six months after Hamas and other Gaza terror groups fought a 50-day war against Israel.

Drills included weapons training and exercises simulating kidnapping IDF soldiers and infiltration into Israel through tunnels. Portraits of Israeli leaders were used in target practice for sniper training. “We are participating in the camp so that we will know how to fight the Zionist enemy and regain our ancestral home of Palestine,” one teenager said, in footage from the training camps screened on Israel’s Channel 2 TV on Thursday night.

No reason to think these Hamas programs for teenagers have ended. And all the teenagers that Hamas uses ... any of them die in the war they will be listed as 'child death' by Hamas ... and the useful idiots who hug Hamas will buy it.

UN Revises Gaza Death Toll - 50% Less Women and Children Killed Than Previously Reported

In a dramatic shift, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has revised its data pertaining to the number of Palestinian casualties in the seven-month-old Gaza war, reducing almost by half the number of women and children it previously said were killed in the hostilities between Israel and the Iranian-backed terror group Hamas.

Hamas’ death toll figures have been disputed by Israel, which claims more than a third of those killed are combatants, yet they have been widely and unquestioningly quoted by the international media, humanitarian organizations and world leaders, including President Biden.

"U.N. agencies have consistently shown they prefer to trust the numbers coming out of Hamas-controlled sources rather than doing basic due diligence"

originally posted by: FlyersFan

UN Revises Gaza Death Toll - 50% Less Women and Children Killed Than Previously Reported

In a dramatic shift, the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has revised its data pertaining to the number of Palestinian casualties in the seven-month-old Gaza war, reducing almost by half the number of women and children it previously said were killed in the hostilities between Israel and the Iranian-backed terror group Hamas.

Hamas’ death toll figures have been disputed by Israel, which claims more than a third of those killed are combatants, yet they have been widely and unquestioningly quoted by the international media, humanitarian organizations and world leaders, including President Biden.

"U.N. agencies have consistently shown they prefer to trust the numbers coming out of Hamas-controlled sources rather than doing basic due diligence"

I think this should be its own thread.

Of course, those of us who have followed this conflict for years expected this. Hamas always lies and then the numbers get revised down later.

The people who support the rape and murder of Jews will continue to use the propaganda numbers. Throw this in their face every time. You will know they support the rape and murder of Jews when they double down.

NOBODY knows how many people have died in Gaza. Not Hamas. Not the IDF. Not the UN. People are just throwing numbers and statistics out and about ... then changing their minds and adding to them or subtracting from them ... with no justification for doing so. TOTALLY UNRELIABLE information from anyone ... be it Hamas, or the IDF, or the UN. Watch ... tomorrow the UN will decide it's a whole different group of numbers and Hamas will claim that 80% of the dead are children .. or some damn thing.

Israels their estimate of the dead in Gaza ....
14,000 terrorists
16,000 civilians.
If true, that's an extremely LOW ratio of dead civilians in urban warfare.
That's about 30,000 dead, which is lower than the 35,000 claimed by Hamas.
Hamas claims they are all 'palestinian civilians' ... of course.
Israel has the number about split even between civilians and terrorists.

Israel Issues Estimate Of Dead in Gaza

Israel for the first time has released its estimated civilian death toll in Gaza, saying that 16,000 have been killed in the war that began on Oct. 7 instead of the approximately 35,000 that the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas' Ministry of Health is claiming.

Israel government spokesperson Avi Hyman tells Fox News that for 221 days, his country has been "condemned globally because of a fake and fabricated civilian death toll created and disseminated by Hamas.

"The United Nations has rubber-stamped these Hamas numbers and become a Hamas newswire to the world," he said. "In reality, Israel is setting the new gold standard for urban warfare with what appears to be the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratios in history."

On Monday, Hyman, citing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said in a video that "we believe we have killed in excess of 14,000 terrorists and sadly around 16,000 civilians" inside the Gaza Strip.

Not enough hamas and/or palestinians have died because they are still fighting Israel, shooting rockets, killing IDF soldiers.

The neat and magic part of all of this is if palestinians surrender, then no one needs to die.

originally posted by: FlyersFan
Israels their estimate of the dead in Gaza ....
14,000 terrorists
16,000 civilians.
If true, that's an extremely LOW ratio of dead civilians in urban warfare.
That's about 30,000 dead, which is lower than the 35,000 claimed by Hamas.
Hamas claims they are all 'palestinian civilians' ... of course.
Israel has the number about split even between civilians and terrorists.

Israel Issues Estimate Of Dead in Gaza

Israel for the first time has released its estimated civilian death toll in Gaza, saying that 16,000 have been killed in the war that began on Oct. 7 instead of the approximately 35,000 that the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas' Ministry of Health is claiming.

Israel government spokesperson Avi Hyman tells Fox News that for 221 days, his country has been "condemned globally because of a fake and fabricated civilian death toll created and disseminated by Hamas.

"The United Nations has rubber-stamped these Hamas numbers and become a Hamas newswire to the world," he said. "In reality, Israel is setting the new gold standard for urban warfare with what appears to be the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratios in history."

On Monday, Hyman, citing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, said in a video that "we believe we have killed in excess of 14,000 terrorists and sadly around 16,000 civilians" inside the Gaza Strip.

First of all you don't know if it's true. IDF isn't reliable as a source and they have a great interest to inflate the number of combatants died and do the opposite for the number of civilians who they killed.

Even if it is, they accept they have killed 16,000 innocent civilians in comparison to 1,200 Jewish people killed by Hamas ( I think around 800 civilians).

So they accept mass murder and crimes, war crimes and crimes against humanity. There is no way out of this.

In reality the true number of civilians is much higher than the number given by the IDF, 16,000 civilians. It's absurd for some posters to claim look they haven't killed 300,000 so they are not committing war crimes and mass murders/killings.

originally posted by: FarqQ
Even if it is, they accept they have killed 16,000 innocent civilians in comparison to 1,200 Jewish people killed by Hamas ( I think around 800 civilians).

Alienborg/Leviathan4/Venkuish1 etc etc etc ..... you are clueless.

WAR isn't a matter of making numbers 'even'. WAR is a matter of winning. EVERY war has a higher number of civilians who die than combatants. And EVERY civilian who dies in the Israel/Hamas war is the fault of Hamas and the 'palestinians' that support it. THEY caused the war. THEY attacked a country that could beat the snot out of them. THEY hold hostages and refuse to release them. THEY refuse to lay down their arms all the while proclaiming that they won't stop until Israel is destroyed and the Jews are genocided.

Most likely 16,000 dead civilian men, women and children. NOT 35,000 dead civilian women and children like the Hamas propaganda has been putting out and that useful idiot Hamas huggers have been proclaiming. That's the bottom line.

a reply to: FlyersFan

They have already accepted they have killed 16,000 innocent civilians. But the true number could be much higher. We can't take anything they say for granted as they are not very reliable.

So we do have mass killings, war crimes, and crimes against humanity by the IDF.

It's terrible when you try to downplay it even if we were to accept 16,000 innocent civilians have died. As it could be much higher.

There is no excuse and the propaganda doesn't work I am afraid.

originally posted by: FarqQ
There is no excuse and the propaganda doesn't work I am afraid.

YOUR Hamas propaganda doesn't work.
The statistics, basic math, and the facts have proven it wrong.
Deal with it.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarqQ
There is no excuse and the propaganda doesn't work I am afraid.

YOUR Hamas propaganda doesn't work.
The statistics, basic math, and the facts have proven it wrong.
Deal with it.

The math is simple and there is an admission from the Israeli Government they have killed 16,000 civilians at the very minimum. That's an admission of mass killings, mass murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

You want to offer yor services to defend Israel in some upcoming court trials. You can use the excuse it's not one million the IDF has killed so far not only....16,000 innocent civilians. I am sure it will work.

The IDF has given a ratio of 2:1 civilians to combatants killed (at least). You can do the math.

The reason it changed to 1:1: is because of the widespread condemnation by most countries in the world. They are desperate to present the lowest possible civilians deaths.

originally posted by: FarqQ

The math is simple and there is an admission from the Israeli Government they have killed 16,000 civilians at the very minimum.

The Allies fire bombed Germany to break the Germans will and surrender. Was that genocide?

So. You have Hamas that has used indiscriminate rocket and motor attacks into Israel in the ten’s of thousands for years.

Hamas broke a cease fire to murder, rape, torture, kidnap over 1000 people in Israel. I think there are still five American hostages not returned.


Hamas stated a war they couldn’t finish, where they do nothing to evacuate and protect their civilians.

Where they store munitions in schools. Then act shocked when civilians are killed when they use them as human shields.

Don’t want civilians killed. Don’t cower behind them and don’t use civilian infrastructure as bases of military operations.

More civilians are dying because Hamas keeps committing war crimes by using human shields.

originally posted by: FarqQ
The math is simple

Yeah .. and I have given it. The Hamas math is a lie.

and there is an admission from the Israeli Government they have killed 16,000 civilians at the very minimum.

Yeah ... and that number is LOW for an urban war. And as I said, every dead civilian is fault of Hamas and the Palestinians. THEY are the ones that attacked Israel forcing it to defend itself. THEY are the ones holding the hostages and refusing to give them back. THEY are the ones continuing the war by not laying down their arms, all the while calling for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of jews.

That's an admission of mass killings, mass murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

You are delusional. That's no admission at all. There is no 'mass murder'. There are no 'war crimes' and there are no 'crimes against humanity'. Hamas propaganda and useful idiots suck it up.

You can do the math.

I did. And so did math experts. And the Hamas math LIES. It's not 35,000 dead women and children like their propaganda claims and that useful idiots like to repeat. It's around 16,000 dead men, women and children civilians. That's expected and it's a VERY LOW RATIO in an urban combat zone.

Pfffft. Willful ignorance.

a reply to: FarqQ

Talk about fake numbers out of Hamas ..... You spent a month here pushing the Hamas LIE that Israel airbombed a hospital and killed 500 civilians. The evidence clearly shows it was a Hamas missile that misfired and landed in the hospital parking lot killing 50. You pushed it and pushed it and pushed it ...even when shown the evidence.

Are you ready yet to admit that you were just pushing the false Hamas propaganda and that they were false death numbers .. inflated by Hamas to gain sympathy from useful idiots .. and that the report of the hospital being bombed by IDF was also a lie???

WELL??? Show some integrity and admit you were just a Hamas mouthpiece being used by them.

originally posted by: Lazy88

originally posted by: FarqQ

The math is simple and there is an admission from the Israeli Government they have killed 16,000 civilians at the very minimum.

The Allies fire bombed Germany to break the Germans will and surrender. Was that genocide?

So. You have Hamas that has used indiscriminate rocket and motor attacks into Israel in the ten’s of thousands for years.

Hamas broke a cease fire to murder, rape, torture, kidnap over 1000 people in Israel. I think there are still five American hostages not returned.


Hamas stated a war they couldn’t finish, where they do nothing to evacuate and protect their civilians.

Where they store munitions in schools. Then act shocked when civilians are killed when they use them as human shields.

Don’t want civilians killed. Don’t cower behind them and don’t use civilian infrastructure as bases of military operations.

More civilians are dying because Hamas keeps committing war crimes by using human shields.

Please don't make comparisons between WW2 and what is happening in Gaza.

The numbers speak for themselves.

Hamas has killed 1,200 (800 civilians)

Israel has killed at least 30,000 (with at least 16,000 dead civilians).

You also forget Palestine is under occupation. They are the oppressed and not the oppressors. Doesn't mean I agree with the killing of civilians in both sides by the way.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FarqQ
The math is simple

Yeah .. and I have given it. The Hamas math is a lie.

and there is an admission from the Israeli Government they have killed 16,000 civilians at the very minimum.

Yeah ... and that number is LOW for an urban war. And as I said, every dead civilian is fault of Hamas and the Palestinians. THEY are the ones that attacked Israel forcing it to defend itself. THEY are the ones holding the hostages and refusing to give them back. THEY are the ones continuing the war by not laying down their arms, all the while calling for the destruction of Israel and the genocide of jews.

That's an admission of mass killings, mass murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

You are delusional. That's no admission at all. There is no 'mass murder'. There are no 'war crimes' and there are no 'crimes against humanity'. Hamas propaganda and useful idiots suck it up.

You can do the math.

I did. And so did math experts. And the Hamas math LIES. It's not 35,000 dead women and children like their propaganda claims and that useful idiots like to repeat. It's around 16,000 dead men, women and children civilians. That's expected and it's a VERY LOW RATIO in an urban combat zone.

Pfffft. Willful ignorance.

Contrary to how you choose to interpret the numbers and admission of 16,000 killed civilians by the Israeli Government is an admission of mass killings, war crimes and crimes against humanity. Regardless of what everyone else says.

The true number likely be much higher gone that the ratio is most likely not 1:1 as the Government of Israel said but at least 2:1 (civilians to combatants) just as the IDF has said long time ago.

The rest of your post is just an unsuccessful apology on behalf of Israel bit you are not doing them any favors.

originally posted by: FlyersFan


WAR isn't a matter of making numbers 'even'.

Unfortunately we're dealing with a lot of mental deficients on this issue.

They want this to be made "fair" by having 30,000 Jews rounded up and killed. They'd buy tickets to watch it.

Unhinged.

Massgraves. Patients from the hospitals got rounded up and executed, hands tied to their backs. "Unhinged" doesn't even cut it anymore.

Half a year into the war in Gaza, here’s a look at the conflict by the numbers

a reply to: FlyersFan



The Yemen TV channel.

I have a big dish satellite.

I receive Ku band channels. I get to see what those in that part of the world are showing.

The Yemen channel showed they had made a music video after Israel was attacked. He was dancing on the US and Israeli Flags showing how there weapon systems were used. Rather repulsive and threatening music video.

Why don't we see that from the US media?

I also saw a commentator talking about our idea of peace and there idea of peace from another channel.
(There are a lot of channels for that area of the world on satellite)

Our idea of Peace is live and let live.

There idea is they want us dead and or serving them.

Considering that area, Iraq any how is where it is said to be the reason with why there is all these different languages(Babylon) Therefore you can see we don't all think the same.

We have to understand that.

From Iran all the way down to Yemen. They are trying to exert there control.