Order of the Black Sun

Anyone heard of, or have any information about, the Order of the Black Sun?

I have had a hard time finding any information on it. From what I have gathered it was a very exclusive society in 1800s and turn of the century Germany, linked to the Thule Society (and therefore, likely an offshoot of the Cabal). There were known links between the Thule Society and the early National Socialist Party (Nazis), and it was known that Hitler was heavily influenced by both societies.

What information I have found seems to indicate that the Nazi SS were all members of the Order, signified by their black uniforms. I have also read that there are some German/tuetonic themed artwork at the new Denver International Airport (which happens to be in close proximity to the newest Monster HAARP array), and indicates a Cabal influence in this facility.

A few excerpts of what little I have found on it so far...

The symbol of the swastika according to Blavatski depicts the flowing in or out of this Atma power. The left-handed swastika is presumed to be the clockwise rotation and depicts the flowing in of the Atma power at the North Pole. It prophetically describes the Aryan exodus from the inner earth via the North Pole. The right-handed swastika (the one the Nazis used) is presumed to be the counter-clockwise rotation which depicts the flowing out of the Atma power from the opening at the South Pole referred to as the "Pit". This reverse sign is also the Wheel of the Black Sun.(The SS or storm troopers are also from the Order of the Black sun hence the black uniforms). This also prophetically depicts the Aryan return to an inner earth via the South Pole or the Pit. This �pit" may be the same pit mentioned in the Bible in Revelations 17!

groups.msn.com...

Then come fast forward to today and see that the CIA (NAZI based Black Majick through Order of The Black Sun) involved with JPL/NASA (with it's heavy Mormon influence), Naval Intelligence involved with Scientology and the O.T.O. being considered the Highest Black Majickal Society and how all of these are intricately intertwined with each other. It all starts to make sense as to what they are all doing as regards their mutually deep set beliefs in the Egyptian Osiris Myth and the totally unbelievably suprising planets involved with the Astronomical Events of Aug. 11th and what their exact positions mean from the perspective of the Osiris Myth.

www.davidicke.net...

The Thule Society (Thule Gesellschaft), the real inspiration of Nazism, was founded in August, 1919, in Munich, as an offshoot of the Germanen Order, another secret society, founded under the initiative of a strange character named Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf. Among its most important members were also Max Amann, Anton Drexler, Dietrich Eckart, Hans Frank, Rudolf Hess, Alfred Rosenberg, Gottfried Feder, and others who later became Nazi leaders. Adolf Hitler belonged to the Society as an "associate" or "visiting brother." The emblem of the Thule Society depicted a German dagger over a sinistroverse swastika (the one whose virtual rotation is counterclockwise) with its curved legs pointing to the right.
The Thule Gesellschaft was a front for a whole web of secret societies which had similar racist and anti-Semitic occultist roots. Among the members of these groups were influential people, like the political theorist Gottfried Feder, whose Hammer Union furnished cadres to the future Nazi Party. In this circle of initiates was also Hans Frank, a lawyer member of the Nazi party and future governor-general of Poland. The initiative for the creation of the Thule Society came from Baron von Sebottendorf, head of the Bavarian branch of the Germanen Order. In the name of the Thule Society, Sebottendorf bought the newspaper Voelkischer Beobachter -- which later became the official Nazi Party journal. Dietrich Eckart, for many years Hitler's mentor, provided the money for the purchase.

www.sierratimes.com...

Any information you might have would be appreciated!

DR, on your topic, these few links is all I could muster after 'googling' 16 pages....
They seem to refer to a few books written on the topic and information you are speaking and eluding of:

"The Black Sun: Montauk Nazi-Tibetan Connection"
www.hiddenmysteries.com...

"Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity"
pages.prodigy.net...

217.206.205.129...

www.cultsandsociety.com...

Hope this helps.

regards
seekerof

[Edited on 23-8-2003 by Seekerof]

An Ex Boyfriend got into this #. hes all into that super nazi aryan crap, hence, why he is an ex boyfriend. he Now uses the black sun everywhere.

Anyway, theres a couple of ragtag fringe groups in the US that still hold onto the black sun crap. Wyatt Kaldenberg, that skinhead that smashed gerlados nose with a chair, is really into this stuff. My ex really takes this stuff at face value, even believes that Aryans came from the north pole, and all that crap, and were the products of super aliens, ect ect ect.

The black sun today to them measn the Aryan Dawn, out of darkness, because they beloieve we are in the middle of a race war, and must exterminate all the non whites or "mud races" on the planet.

My ex knows alot about this stuff though, but hes a guillable idiot. he went to Russia to try and get some teenaged wife because no American woman can stand his ass. He was going off about the Black Sun to her, and she smiled and knodded and all that. Seems theres a rise in racism and # over there too, jusdging by the numbers of attacks on blacks and jews that have been perpetrated by Russian skinheads recently.

I wonder if theres an idiot somewhere whose gonna try and revive this black Sun crap. that would not be good, because this obviously reaches into the depths of the Illuminati and freakish power and knowledge people shouldnt be messing with.

Incidentally, the Russian broad decoided she didnt like him, since, according to her, he was weak, complained to much, had a bad smell, and was not very nice.

Even poor desperate third world women cant handle him.

Found this article while locating some information on the Thule Society.

Article:
"The Black Sun" (will need to scroll about a 1/4 page down to see the Vril and the Black Sun heading)"

www.conspiracyarchive.com...

regards
seekerof

Great find Seeker, thanks!

This is where the philosophy turns dangerous. The moment we speak of an elect and "illumined" class which is above the general populace, you inevitably encounter racism and classism � with fascism in due course. "We must beware of this notion of a mutation," Bergier warns. "It crops up again with Hitler, and is not extinct today."

Nope, not extinct... can be found at Harvard and Yale, in the guise of Skull and Bones to this very day...

And found these by narrowing/broadening the search to:
Vril Society and the Order of the Black Sun....:

"Vril Society--Black Sun--Dark Matter"
esotericathesixth0.tripod.com...

"Vril Society--Dark Matter--Swastika"
www.crystalinks.com...

"The Black Sun"
www.greatdreams.com...

"Hyperborea"
mailbox.univie.ac.at...

"1936: Horror Campaign"
www.vialarp.org...

"The Science of World War II"
www.geminiwalker-ink.net...

Hopefully more information that you will find helpful.

regards
seekerof

Good people, know this: It can be said free will is the greatest gift of God. Before you begin forming opinions in your mind about all YOU connect with theophilosophy and YOUR emotional need inside to answer questions you must realize that the sum of your experiences are yours whether by will of God or whatever you conceive that entity to be that induced THE Creation. But that's the point right there is it not? No matter what any man, woman, or child says to you, and no matter how any one thing as a unit of equated matter, (anything that your mind relays to itself as distinguishable as 'being.') you always , in the end, do whatever YOU decide. Opinions are 'suggestions' by others. It must be said that emotion as a motivator to action IS confirmation to self of the choice or course of action to be taken by self. I know what the black sun is, or means but that is my choice. Universally it isn't correct for us to offer opinion or act without considering that it is received by the other as THEY INTERPRET. The retort they offer you must remember is NOT THE THOUGHT WHICH INITIATED THE
NEED FOR YOU TO OFFER IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. We each create ourselves in our own minds. No one can know you inside except for God, or whatever you conceive him to be. Before you run into secret societies consider you may not want to know why they are a secret. Has anyone ever given thought to the fact that one who keeps a secret may be sparing the truth they find from those who foolishly poke into that which may hurt them. If I say don't look into the Black Sun you may just because a sense of danger is thrilling. If I said go for it, then I would be guilty of leading (in the reality I create for myself) others to that which I feel MY way about. Its dangerous if you let it become dangerous, or not if you don't. Just have self respect, ignore fears and negatives, (you do it to you) and know it is your choice to go where you do.

I wonder if the member above me is talking about the Vril Force.
Oh yeah,I decided to resurrect this thread because its interesting!

The Thule Society (Thule Gesellschaft), the real inspiration of Nazism, was founded in August, 1919, in Munich, as an offshoot of the Germanen Order, another secret society, founded under the initiative of a strange character named Baron Rudolf von Sebottendorf.

The Thule society was more the front organization of the Bavarian chapter of the socalled Germanen Order. That Order was an anti-mason secret society who convinced that the mason where preveting Germany from prefulling it's destiny, on a sidenote there is some evidence that Sebentendorf was sufi mason before joining the Order and maybe he still was.

Nightwolf leave it to Bavarians to destroy Germany, they always hated the unification and everything Prussian, they sided with Napoleon, they were terrible. Nazism was undoubtedly a Bavarian off-shoot of their anti-Prussian fanaticisms.

Sadly, Nazism came to represent all of Germany and not just the House of Wittlesbach which was its patron saints.

Originally posted by NightWulf


The Thule society was more the front organization of the Bavarian chapter of the socalled Germanen Order. That Order was an anti-mason secret society who convinced that the mason where preveting Germany from prefulling it's destiny, on a sidenote there is some evidence that Sebentendorf was sufi mason before joining the Order and maybe he still was.

very good

"Sebottendorff believed that the esoteric tradition of Islam, particularly Sufism, was the purest stream of Ancient Wisdom and that it had nourished European occultism through the Rosicrucians, alchemists and authentic Freemasons of the Middle Ages." Rene Alleau relates that Sebottendorff also wrote that: “...‘secret Muslim Masters’ had entrusted him with the mission of ‘illuminating’ Germany through the revelation of the secrets of advanced magic and initiation into ancient Oriental mysteries.”

for enyone interested in Nasizm - a must read: 'The Hidden Origins of Nazism'
www.blackraiser.com...

Moorish Science Temple

Manly P. Hall: Hermetic Marriage


(1) The Order of the Illuminati, represented by Mohammad, prophet of Islam; Roger Bacon, father of chemistry; and Paracelsus, father of modern medicine.

It is an interesting fact that the present buildings and school of Rudolph Steiner, the German mystic, are located in the grounds of the old estate of Hohenheim where Paracelsus lived.

(2) The Order of Freemasons, represented by the great Robert Fludd, master of symbolism and alchemy, and Elias Ashmole, the unique philosopher.

(3) The Rosicrucians, a sacred organization founded by the mysterious Father C.R.C. after his return from Arabia.

In the mythological city of Damcar he had been educated in alchemy and astrology by Arabian adepts.

After him came Sir Francis Bacon, the remodeler of British law. And then Count Cagliostro, the sublime adventurer. And last..., the great Comte de St. Germaine, probably the world's greatest political reformer, and Alchemist by Fire.

These superlative minds leavened the loaf of materiality. And, according to those who study The Mysteries, kept alight the flame of Hermes during the medieval centuries of religious intolerance and bigotry.

Don't know how this could possibly tie-in with Nazism though(in reference to the last few posts)?


Some Nazis, including Hitler, were members of the White Lodge, and then later deviated and became slaves of Klipoth, or the Black Lodge.

So a member of the Black Lodge(such as Nazis) who might "practice Sufism" we could say is an inverted-"Sufi", or a Black Magician.


Originally, Sufism/Sopheeism is Islamic Gnosis, is of God(Theurgy), and is of the White Lodge.

Godfrey Higgins' ANACALYPSIS

"Abul Fazl says, “When, through the good fortune of mankind, the season arrives for the revelation of the truth, a person is endowed with knowledge, upon whom God bestows the robes of royalty, in order that he may lead men in the right way with absolute dominion : such is the Emperor of our time.” This shews that Abul Fazl either was, or pretended to be, a believer in him. After the above, Col. Van Kennedy goes on to observe, that Akbar was believed to have some peculiar and immediate communication with the Supreme Being;**

but the mode in which this was effected was considered a mystery, only confided to the higher orders of the initiated. Here we have the gradations of the Sophees. … "

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Originally posted by tormentor
I wonder if the member above me is talking about the Vril Force.

You see, Vril is none other than the Astral Light, or Virility.

It can create demons, or it can create Supermen.


The Nazis were not Supermen, they were demons.

They inverted the Vril Force for Satanic powers.

Demons and Saints look with horror and terror at the revolutionary Adepts of the Path of the Middle.

No one understands these rebels of the Path of the Middle.

The Revolutionary Walker of the Eightfold Path, even being surrounded by many people, walks terribly alone.


Hitler, who was terrorized before the presence of an Adept from the Path of the Middle exclaimed: “I know the Super-Man. I have seen him. He is terribly cruel. I, myself, have felt fear.”


The path is sexual. We advance by annihilating the ego and sacrificing ourselves for humanity...

...There are also a great deal of Masters who fell on the path of the Left by means of Black Tantrism...

Tamahu
After him came Sir Francis Bacon, the remodeler of British law. And then Count Cagliostro, the sublime adventurer. And last..., the great Comte de St. Germaine, probably the world's greatest political reformer, and Alchemist by Fire.

The claim is that Bacon was one incarnation of everliving St. Germaine!(powered with his Violet Fire)!
And all Tantra is Black.

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Originally posted by blue bird
The claim is that Bacon was everliving St. German!

"Master Rakoczi is the same Count Saint Germain, Roger Bacon and Francis Bacon. This Master directs world politics. He presently lives in Tibet, and possesses the same Physical Body with which he was known during the seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in all the courts of Europe. The centuries have passed over this Master without death having any power over him, because he is a Child of Resurrection..."

And all Tantra is Black.

"The “mystics” of Theosophy, the "Rosicrucian Order", and Spiritism were naming us as materialists. These offensive ones believed themselves to be super transcendental and they forgot that nothing can exist, not even God, without the help of matter. Sex is repulsive to them, but from where are they coming from? Who enrolled them in the school of life...?"

*Note: God can BE without matter; however, nothing can exist without matter, not even God.*




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On February 27, 1784, Saint-Germain died at Prince Charles' home on Eckenforde. He was buried locally and the Prince erected a stone that said:

He who called himself the Comte de Saint-Germain and Welldone of whom there is no other information, has been buried in this church.

And then, the Prince burned all of the Count's papers "lest they be misinterpreted."

Supposedly there is evidence that the Count did NOT die, and many occultists claim he is still alive for these past two centuries!

Just love mr. Chohan of the Seventh Ray, the violet ray, of freedom, alchemy, justice, mercy and transmutation...


Tantra is NOT about sex.

Originally posted by blue bird
Just love mr. Chohan of the Seventh Ray, the violet ray, of freedom, alchemy, justice, mercy and transmutation...

You've bit the "New Age" propaganda hook-line and sinker.

Did you know that there's a conspiracy by many Black Magician channellers(many of them Nazis) to make authentic Occultism of the White Lodge look like "New Age-fluffy-clouds-and-rainbows"?

Gnosis has nothing to do with the "Violet Flame" or any other such nonsense.

See this post: "Aquarian Foundation"

Tantra is NOT about sex.

Wait, I thought that "all Tantra is Black"?

Whatever.


Anyway, not all Tantra is related to physical Sex, true.

However, all Tantra, even Jnana-Mudra, is sexual in nature, as it deals with the visualization of Divine Consorts.

Even many authentic traditional Tibetan Lamas are now coming out and publically saying that Karma-Mudra(physical Sex) is an essential part of Tantric practice.


Of course White Tantra is horrifying to those addicted to fornication.....




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O no..no..no You labeled me so wrong.. I am an atheist.
Comment about Germaine was ment in a funny way.

Maybe we need another thread for Tantra....cos let me asure you - I know something about this matter ( btw. i had in minde Kalachacra Tantra - Time Tantra)!

Originally posted by blue bird
cos let me asure you - I know something about this matter ( btw. i had in minde Kalachacra Tantra - Time Tantra)!

From H.H. the Dalai Lama, Master of Kalachakra, on the Karma-Mudra:

"The female role is strongly emphasized in Highest Yoga Tantra. To despise a woman is a transgression of one of the root tantric vows, although no corresponding transgression is mentioned in relation to male practitioners. Also, in the actual practice of meditating on mandala deities, the deity concerned is often female, such as Vajra Yogini or Nairatmaya.

In addition, tantra speaks of the point in the completion stage when the practitioner is advised to seek a consort, as an impetus for further realization of the path. In such cases of union, if the realization of one of the partners is more advanced, he or she is able to bring about the release, or actualization of the resultant state, of both practitioners.

Therefore, it is explained in Highest Yoga Tantra, that a practitioner can become totally enlightened in this lifetime as a female. This is explicitly and clearly stated in tantras such as Guhyasamaja..."

Time, of course, is related to Saturn, Binah, the Sexual Energy, or Holy Spirit:

Saturn Worship

Tantra Dymond 'Vehicle' is occult and secret doctrine - very much like western alkhemy.
Regarding women - Adi Buddha is male. Naf said. It's about creating 'an androgynous being out of a woman means that her own feminine essence becomes subordinated to a masculine principle'.

"Once the yogi has “stolen” her gynergy using sexual magic techniques, the woman vanishes from the tantric scenario. “The feminine partner”, writes David Snellgrove, “known as the Wisdom-Maiden [prajna] and supposedly embodying this great perfection of wisdom, is in effect used as a means to an end, which is experienced by the yogi himself. Moreover, once he has mastered the requisite yoga techniques he has no need of a feminine partner, for the whole process is re-enacted within his own body. Thus despite the eulogies of women in these tantras and her high symbolic status , the whole theory and practice is given for the benefit of males” (Snellgrove, 1987, vol. 1, p. 287)"




And finnaly ist's about power of guru.

Here is a little story:
In another story, the protagonists are this same Naropa and his instructor, the Kalachakra Master Tilopa. Tilopa spoke to his pupil, saying, “If you want teaching, then construct a mandala!”. Naropa was unable to find any seeds, so he made the mandala out of sand. But he sought without success for water to cement the sand. Tilopa asked him, “Do you have blood?” Naropa slit his veins and the blood flowed out. But then, despite searching everywhere, he could find no flowers. “Do you not have limbs?” asked Tilopa. “Cut off your head and place it in the center of the mandala. Take your arms and legs and arrange them around it!” Naropa did so and dedicated the mandala to his guru, then he collapsed from blood loss. When he regained consciousness, Tilopa asked him, “Are you content?” and Naropa answered, “It is the greatest happiness to be able to dedicate this mandala, made of my own flesh and blood, to my guru”.

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