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interupt42
China Achilles Tendons:
Maybe you can help with the list here.
1. we would revert to old school tech. this is partly why the military hangs onto old tech. as a backup.
2. I would venture that there are WAY more Americans who reload ammo.
mikeone718
interupt42
China Achilles Tendons:
Maybe you can help with the list here.
Inexperience - the US has spent the past decade sharpening its military skills.
China shot up a few tibetans.
interupt42
combatmaster
reply to post by interupt42
IMHO If war broke out between US and China... it would quickly escalate into an all-out nuclear conflict!
So put on your sunglasses cos its gonna get bright
Do our nuclear facilities have any chips manufactured in China? Who is to say if we press the number something will happen?
From November 2007 through May 2010, U.S. Customs officials said they seized 5.6 million bogus chips. Yet many more are finding their way into the U.S. and even the military, which federal officials consider especially worrisome because it could affect national security.
Read more at: phys.org...
But it's not just the military that's at risk. Chips perform key roles in countless commercial products, as well as phone links, banking networks, electronic grids and nuclear power plants. Given the flood of phony chips, said Diganta Das, a University of Maryland expert on the subject, "we can be assured that we have counterfeit parts in all kinds of systems."
Read more at: phys.org...
The year-long investigation found large numbers of counterfeit parts – mainly from China – have been making their way into critical defense systems. A 112-report produced by the committee highlights cases in the U.S. Air Force's largest cargo plane and in assemblies intended to go in special operations helicopters and U.S. Navy surveillance planes.
The report concludes that China is responsible for more than 70 percent of the suspect components.
Another conclusion was that the use of unvetted distributors to supply electronic parts meant that the Department of Defense (DoD) and defense contractors are frequently unaware of the ultimate source of parts used in defense systems and that this "results in unacceptable risks to national security and the safety of U.S. military personnel."
interupt42
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
OccamsRazor04
interupt42
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
All valid points especially in traditional warfare.
However unlikely, there is a possibility that our advance technology could have a highly vulnerable weakness.
Our ships controlling those shipping lanes , our anti defense systems, and nuclear facility all have electronic components in them.
If we are truly using electronic components on our advance technology that is manufactured by foreign entities including China , then we could be open to hardware weakness. Therefore isn't possible that our advance system might contain electronic components with open backdoors? If so, we might be surprised when we go press the button and nothing happens or something happens that we weren't expecting.
Show me a single piece of actual hard evidence saying this is so, and we can discuss it. Otherwise it's baseless speculation. I might as well speculate the US has demons working for it that will eat all of China in 2 hours.
Fake chips threaten military:
phys.org...
Other serious roadblocks deter the detection of counterfeits within the military, according to the Commerce Department. It found the armed forces had no reliable method for tracking bogus chips and that numerous attempts to warn military authorities about counterfeits "have fallen on deaf ears."
Separate studies this year by the Commerce Department and the Government Accountability Office concluded that the armed forces -- which use chips in everything from communications and radar systems to warplanes and missiles -- is alarmingly vulnerable to fakes.
Commerce officials partly blamed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars for diminishing the supplies of chips the military normally uses for equipment repairs and forcing it to rely on questionable dealers for replacement parts. Moreover, both studies cited serious flaws in the Pentagon's procedures for spotting sham components.
Read more at: phys.org...
edit on 21-11-2013 by interupt42 because: (no reason given)
superman2012
g146541
reply to post by superman2012
More bellies to feed, logistics has always been the military killer and always will.
Why do you think the Russians with their inferior equipment and training defeated the Superior Germans?
Scorched earth and the Russian winter, killed Germany.
All one really needs to do is survive the initial assault, then we can do like the French partisans did.
Then it is an easy war of attrition.
I don't think that China would invade. I think they would draw their enemy to them. Think about it, if China defeated the US military, and that is a big if, and then they slowly starting coming to the continental US and offered food, safety, whatever was needed to people if they killed the infrastructure, people would jump all over it. Sure, it would be a warzone and there would be pockets of people that would resist, but for how long? At the expense of their family's safety? Sure there are millions of guns in the US, but it isn't the movies. There are not too many Rambos left. The majority of Americans are out of shape and wouldn't last too long out in the woods without the modern conveniences of home.
Russia had more flesh, that is how they defeated the Germans. Winter and Hitler's moronic orders also fed Germany's loss.
superman2012
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
The have no way militarily to attack the US. Don't forget who owns the most debt.
Don't forget who is buying up all available farmland around the world.
Don't forget where all the jobs are. Don't forget which country most of the world isn't happy with right now (hint: US).
Not China. And the second war is declared that debt is 100% cancelled.
You mean the land China loses the moment they declare war because they have ZERO force projection capabilities and can not defend anything outside their border?
What does this have to do with a war between the US and China? Americans don't work in China, it would bring jobs back home.
Meanwhile the US would close all trade with China and destroy their economy.
superman2012
reply to post by OccamsRazor04
Not China. And the second war is declared that debt is 100% cancelled.
Yes, China. You have to be kidding about cancelled debt. Show one other time this has happened. If anything, more debt happens because of war.
You mean the land China loses the moment they declare war because they have ZERO force projection capabilities and can not defend anything outside their border?
Pure speculation, no bearing on the fact that I provided.
What does this have to do with a war between the US and China? Americans don't work in China, it would bring jobs back home.
It means, that they manufacture/build most things that you use everyday. Go to a store and pick 10 random items, then look to see where they were manufactured. You need infrastructure in place as well as skilled workers in the US if China and America were at war. None of which exist anymore. Eventually? Yes. Not now.
Meanwhile the US would close all trade with China and destroy their economy.
How? They have everything they need in Asia or the Middle East. It might hurt them, but it would cripple the west.
So now you cherry pick and switch from who owns the debt to which FOREIGN country owns debt. The real answer is the Social Security Trust Fund .. most US debt is owned by ... the US. Japan owns almost as much as China. China owns about 7% of US debt, Japan 6%. Sorry, you are wrong. How about you show me one time war was declared and then the country they engage in war with repays debts after they win the war. Take your time.
Not speculation. China has ZERO force projection and everything outside their borders is vulnerable. That is a fact.
India and other countries will replace them. There would be short term shortages on non essential goods, nothing that impacts a war effort.
China's entire economy is based on trade export. No exports, no trade, no money, collapse. Where will China get oil from? They are the world's leading importer. Without oil imports they would collapse.
Which other countries? You do know that India and China are allies right? Unless, of course, China keeps pushing them away, but for now they are allies.
As Chinese army incursions continue to recur, India has cautioned China that any disturbance of peace and tranquility in the border areas can vitiate the overall atmosphere of bilateral ties.
China owns 7% of US debt. Not a large amount.
China would be paying the US money. Go look at WW I and WW II war reparations.
As to siezing land, it is impossible to prove what would happen. I have proven the US COULD sieze it. Doing so would hurt their enemy and is logical, please give me reasons why the US would not do it when they could? If you can't offer reasons why it wouldn't be done, the logical assumption is it would be.
Allies?? Are you serious? Now I understand the trouble, you are delusional. China just forced India to accept terms ending a border dispute that is entirely pro China. India and China are not allies at all, and India would almost certainly attack China if war between China and the US broke out.
Also Chinese oil production can not even come close to supplying their demand. How about you look at how much they use and how much they produce. Seriously, you are just getting stupid.