So You Like Obamacare...

I came across this YT video of this young gals perspective on Obama Care. She pretty much says it all. I just don't understand how so many people can be so damn/darn ignorant!

Is there even any real hope left for America?Your thoughts!

The single most important thing in healthcare is per capita cost. US is highest in the world at $8000, which means if any platform is not going to reduce this, it is a failure. Americans should be demanding lower per healthcare cost, simply, no arguments. Any healthcare system that doesn't achieve this is garbage, whether it's named Obamacare, Rodneycare, Bushcare, Clintoncare, etc.

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Also considering the US cost of crime is pegged somewhere at 4000 per capita (the amount most countries with good health care system spend) it seems odd that safe guarding your person can't be done for the same amount, done in public funds. *

Corruption is main problem, people need to demand lower cost healthcare.

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I agree, but where are the many billions of dollars spent on healthcare ending up? Everyone in the healthcare "food chain" is complaining that they're being squeezed by cuts. Doctors, Medical Device makers, Hospitals, Insurance Companies, Insurance Brokers...they're all complaining about increased taxes, fees, reimbursement reductions, etc..

You'd think that at least someone would be getting filthy rich from this Golden Goose that Uncle Sam invented in 2010.
-cwm

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You say the biggest problem facing the US is health care cost. I respectfully disagree with that.



The biggest problem facing this country is not following the constitution. If we would actually follow what the founding fathers had in mind everything else would fall into place including health care and banking.


The farther the progressive filth push us away from it the worse our country and lives will be. If we would pull it all back in and cut our government down to size again it would all return to good times with jobs and wealth for everyone willing to work hard.

SubTruth
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You say the biggest problem facing the US is health care cost. I respectfully disagree with that.

The biggest problem facing this country is not following the constitution. If we would actually follow what the founding fathers had in mind everything else would fall into place including health care and banking.

The farther the progressive filth push us away from it the worse our country and lives will be. If we would pull it all back in and cut our government down to size again it would all return to good times with jobs and wealth for everyone willing to work hard.

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Invoking the intent of the founding fathers as your entire argument is always a good way to show that you're a critical thinker (and a true patriot). What did the founding fathers say about healthcare? Would you do away with the entire welfare state? Medicare? Social Security? Seems the founding fathers endowed Congress with the power to provide for communication (post offices), transportation (roads & navigable waterways) and national defense (army & navy). Maybe they would have included healthcare if such a thing had actually existed in 1776, a time when the same people who cut hair performed general surgery?

So when exactly did the progressive filth set us on this course of certain destruction again and how can we save ourselves?

Also, can you please articulate how what you are suggesting will actually result in job creation?

carewemust
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I agree, but where are the many billions of dollars spent on healthcare ending up? Everyone in the healthcare "food chain" is complaining that they're being squeezed by cuts. Doctors, Medical Device makers, Hospitals, Insurance Companies, Insurance Brokers...they're all complaining about increased taxes, fees, reimbursement reductions, etc..

You'd think that at least someone would be getting filthy rich from this Golden Goose that Uncle Sam invented in 2010.
-cwm

edit on 11/9/2013 by carewemust because: (no reason given)

Maybe because getting "squeezed" is a relative term. There's plenty of money in healthcare:

Rick Scott was founder and CEO of Columbia/HCA and under his watch, his company's hospitals defrauded Medicare so badly that they ended up paying the biggest fines in history, $1.7 Billion. How does a guy with a scandal that large already under his belt go on to become governor of Florida?

The there was Damon Corp, a medical testing outfit that Bain Capital bought while Mitt Romney was in charge.

In October 1996, federal prosecutors announced that Damon was agreeing to pay $119 million in both civil and criminal fines after pleading guilty to defrauding Medicare. The company was providing doctors with forms that didn’t make clear what tests included, so doctors were checking off additional tests that weren’t necessary, according to the Globe’s summary of the government’s case.

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Clearly these two weren't concerned that robbing Medicare might lead to "rationing."

For example, federal authorities announced on May 2 they had arrested 107 health care providers, including doctors and nurses, in several cities and charged them with cheating Medicare out of $452 million.

Or there was the 2010 story in which federal officials charged 94 people with $251 million in phony claims.

The problem isn’t new. Federal officials set up the Medicare Fraud Strike Force in 2007, which visited at random nearly 1,600 businesses in Miami, ground zero for Medicare fraud, that had billed Medicare for durable medical equipment. Officials found that nearly a third of the businesses, 481, didn’t even exist, yet they had billed Medicare for $237 million over the previous year, according to National Public Radio.

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Maybe the Hospitals should not charge $12 for an aspirin when you are staying, or $11 for the toothbrush they give you. Common people, the health care in this country is every bit as messed up as our government. Now they are just going to be taken down a notch. This reform will eventually work itself out

theantediluvian

Also, can you please articulate how what you are suggesting will actually result in job creation?

I will prove the opposite. The intended beneficiaries of ACA is those whose employers do not provide insurance. The hotel workers, taxi cab drivers, cooks, waitresses, etc. These are traditional low pay/zero benefit types of jobs. They also happen to be jobs that are dependent upon people having disposable income.

If your personal budget is reduced by being required to purchase a policy, you will have less money to dine out. You will have less money to hop a cab and watch a movie in a theater. You will have less money to go to Disney World or what have you. So by using very simple logic...what is going to happen to that cabbie, usher, waitress, guy dressed in the Micky Mouse costume?

Ever craved a meal from a restaurant that closed in your area? Do you work a job that might require that waitress to be able to by your product in order to retain your job in the long run? How many people currently working for Microsoft will lose their jobs over the next few years if all these "little people in worthless jobs" don't buy a new PC ever again because they cannot afford one?

Even better one, what happens to the quality of education in schools when the tax base (whether by property taxes, income taxes or a combination) funding the schools becomes hampered those losing jobs and having their mortgages foreclosed upon?

Let's say none of that affects you. Let's say you are 26, have your own business that is recession proof, with a college education, married for 3 years and just had a baby. Your ACA policy (minus any increase in premiums) averages to be $350 a month. That is $75,600 over 18 years. While it doesn't fully pay for a four year degree for your child...investing over those 18 years could have paid for it plus some money left over for a wedding after college.

ACA hurts people now. And destroys our children's future. If we can even afford to have children in the future. Because let's face it, that same $350 a month buys a lot of diapers, formula, food and clothes that the child needs a whole lot more than Blue Cross and Blue Shield needs to just throw into the coffers to pay for some crack addict's heart transplant so he can live to smoke more crack.

Ahabstar

theantediluvian

Also, can you please articulate how what you are suggesting will actually result in job creation?

I will prove the opposite. The intended beneficiaries of ACA is those whose employers do not provide insurance. The hotel workers, taxi cab drivers, cooks, waitresses, etc. These are traditional low pay/zero benefit types of jobs. They also happen to be jobs that are dependent upon people having disposable income.

If your personal budget is reduced by being required to purchase a policy, you will have less money to dine out. You will have less money to hop a cab and watch a movie in a theater. You will have less money to go to Disney World or what have you. So by using very simple logic...what is going to happen to that cabbie, usher, waitress, guy dressed in the Micky Mouse costume?

Ever craved a meal from a restaurant that closed in your area? Do you work a job that might require that waitress to be able to by your product in order to retain your job in the long run? How many people currently working for Microsoft will lose their jobs over the next few years if all these "little people in worthless jobs" don't buy a new PC ever again because they cannot afford one?

Even better one, what happens to the quality of education in schools when the tax base (whether by property taxes, income taxes or a combination) funding the schools becomes hampered those losing jobs and having their mortgages foreclosed upon?

Let's say none of that affects you. Let's say you are 26, have your own business that is recession proof, with a college education, married for 3 years and just had a baby. Your ACA policy (minus any increase in premiums) averages to be $350 a month. That is $75,600 over 18 years. While it doesn't fully pay for a four year degree for your child...investing over those 18 years could have paid for it plus some money left over for a wedding after college.

ACA hurts people now. And destroys our children's future. If we can even afford to have children in the future. Because let's face it, that same $350 a month buys a lot of diapers, formula, food and clothes that the child needs a whole lot more than Blue Cross and Blue Shield needs to just throw into the coffers to pay for some crack addict's heart transplant so he can live to smoke more crack.

So the hotel workers, taxi cab drivers, cooks, waitresses, etc don't need healthcare?

The first incorrect assumption is that the PPACA is only about insuring the uninsured. The second is that increasing the amount of individuals covered with by healthcare plans automatically results in higher insurance costs for everyone. Do you think that uninsured and under insured people don't already contribute to the overall cost of healthcare?

I have bad news for you. Uninsured people get sick, have accidents and some of them even get pregnant and have children. So not only do they require healthcare, they get it and often in the worst ways like non-emergency visits to the ER. Reforming the healthcare system by curtailing RAMPANT fraud and abuse, correcting inefficiencies in delivery (like unnecessary ER visits) and implementing preventive treatment to head off illness before it becomes serious and expensive to treat, will lower costs.

Finally, you create a ridiculous false dilemma--it's the kids or the crack heads folks! Ignoring the fact that this is complete hyperbole anchored in an entirely implausible scenario (crack heads don't get heart transplants, even when they can pay for it in cash), you're just plain wrong. Lowering costs and increasing the number of adequately covered people are not mutually exclusive goals.

You'll need a lot more than fear mongering hyperbole and hypothetical scenarios grounded in inaccurate assumptions and voodoo economic principles to sway me.

Working in healthcare, I just have to put my observations here.

We may pay more than the rest of the world for healthcare and have a lower life expectancy than other countries. This gives the illusion our healthcare isn't as good.

Think about this. We are the most obese nation to ever live. We have fast food on every corner. We consume a lot of alcohol, smoke and due various drugs (prescribed and not). Our water is poisoned. Our food is terrible - sprayed and modified.

Our healthcare has to cost a lot because we are so unhealthy. It costs a lot more to keep a sick nation alive as long as a healthy nation lives. We have people who weigh 300 lbs living into their 70's and 80's. Four bypasses, two bands, etc. It's expensive to keep the US alive. Take away the money and funds and your overweight parents probably won't live to be 80.

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The founding fathers would revolt again and draft a new tougher constitution if they lived in today's world. Look at what we have lost because of the progressive mindset and apathy.





From the freedom of privacy all the way to state rights. We are so far past what they wanted the country will collapse under it's own collective self imposed chains.



Do you think the founding fathers would have been alright with the government forcing the people to buy a product? But this is a tax................LIES,LIES,LIES,LIES.