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Mary Rose
He talked about it in his presentation that he gave at the 2012 Bedini-Lindemann Science and Technology conference.
Before the showing at the Bedini-Lindemann conference, why had no public audience ever seen that video clip? Paul Babcock explains. “We made that video almost ten years ago, and we buried it. Because all it got us was trouble.”
When trying to raise funding to build a company, he explains, telling the truth about how world-changing your discovery is may create resistance in the status quo. He and his team ten years ago were younger “and kind of naive, thinking ‘Hey we have a great thing. The world is going to welcome us with open arms.’ Wrong. It’s time to get your beating for doing good work. And it really set us back,” Babcock adds, “in the world of finance and business anyway.”
When is his company going to take that revolutionary prototype shown in the film and develop it into a commercial motor? Not until he can pay the million-dollar cost of product development himself, Babcock tells us vehemently. Not until he doesn’t have to beg for startup money and go to financial institutions for funding. In the meantime, Flyback Energy is happily in the business of making acceptable helpful products.
Mary Rose
Mike Waters is a beneficiary of and technology consultant for Sterling Allan's New Energy Systems Trust.
The way he is abusing the term, if you put a fart in a vacuum, it would be vacuum energy. But that's not the way vacuum or zero point energy is defined.
Actually I have to give credit to mbkennel for noticing this problem with Haisch's patent also, and mbkennel demonstrates more knowledge of this topic than 99% of ATSers. I added a diagram and my own comments but I basically agreed with mbkennel's description of the apparent problem here.
Mary Rose
Please share with us what you think you know.
That's more of an indication that it's not helpful, isn't it? In order to be helpful expressions need to be shared by more than one person for communication to take place. Besides, we've been breaking molecules apart using their kinetic energy long before he made up that term, and it's facilitated chemical reactions which can release energy but it's pretty standard stuff...I don't see what it has to do with free energy. Seems like a "snake oil sales pitch" to me to call something this well understood by a fancy name. Normally it's just done with temperature, by heating things up which speeds up the molecules and with certain molecules this can break them apart or facilitate chemical reactions.
Mary Rose
He also said there is no reference to it in google.
The kinetic energy motion is essentially the same thing as heat. So as you add heat to a chemical reaction, the kinetic energy will increase, making the molecules collide and increasing the reaction rates.
My first post in this thread was a complaint about people making up their own definitions, aka dictionary abuse.
will2learn
Maybe ZPE is just a large fart, but I define it as all that electromagnetic energy left after you take everything else out. Now exactly how do you wanna define the vacuum energy?
I notice you avoid this simple q.
Will
Notice the reference to "the lowest energy state", meaning unless you can bring the field to a lower energy state, you can't extract any energy from it, and if you can lower the energy state, then it wasn't vacuum, or lowest "zero-point" energy state to begin with. So almost by definition, this zero point energy can't be extracted as someone else already pointed out earlier.
The concept of zero-point energy was developed in Germany by Albert Einstein...
Vacuum energy is the zero-point energy of all the fields in space, which in the Standard Model includes the electromagnetic field, other gauge fields, fermionic fields, and the Higgs field. It is the energy of the vacuum, which in quantum field theory is defined not as empty space but as the ground state of the fields. In cosmology, the vacuum energy is one possible explanation for the cosmological constant.[3] A related term is zero-point field, which is the lowest energy state of a particular field.
Arbitrageur
That's more of an indication that it's not helpful, isn't it?
Uploaded on Aug 4, 2010
Presented at the Annual Meeting for the Society for Scientific Exploration, June 10-12, 2010 Boulder, Colorado, USA.
We propose to indirectly tap a new source of energy, potentially greater than nuclear, well known in quantum physics but considered by physicists not to be useful since it cannot be directly accessed. Zero-point energy is a well established concept originally proposed by Planck and Einstein in 1913. Later it was shown to arise in quantum physics from the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. It has a number of well-known effects. For example, zero-point energy prevents helium from solidifying under normal pressure even at absolute zero temperature. It can also be detected as quantum noise in circuits.
We investigate the feasibility of accessing this zero-point energy source indirectly by capturing electromagnetic energy emitted by transient changes in energy levels of electron orbitals, due to interactions of atoms (preferably monatomic noble gases) with the quantum vacuum field while cycling through Casimir cavities. We would induce shifts comparable in principle to, but larger than, the well-known Lamb shift, by suppressing quantum vacuum field modes within the Casimir cavities. The "Lamb shift," a well explored mainstay of quantum electrodynamics, consists of a shift in the energy levels of electron orbitals, resulting from an atom's interaction with quantum vacuum fluctuations. Recent experiments have shown that Lamb shifts can be controlled and enhanced. It is likely that electron orbital shifts analogous to (but not identical with) Lamb shifts can be induced by moving atoms under modest pressure through Casimir cavities, due to suppression of some wavelengths of quantum vacuum fluctuations in Casimir cavities. This orbital shift should produce emission of electromagnetic energy (photons) as the atoms enter the cavities. We refer to the shift so induced as the "Casimir-Lamb shift." As the moving gas atoms leave the Casimir cavity, the Casimir-Lamb shift would be reversed due to absorption of electromagnetic fluctuations from the ambient quantum vacuum field, without violating the second law of thermodynamics.
Here's a 2 part YouTube video of Haisch himself talking about the patent:
The mission of Jovion Corporation is to develop pollution-free, portable, scalable, distributed power sources that require no fossil or nuclear fuel and emit no waste, carbon or harmful radiation, based on the Casimir-Lamb shift.
See “Test of zero-point energy emission from gases flowing through Casimir cavities"
4. Conclusions
A clear infrared signal has been measured for gases flowing through polycarbonate Casimir cavity nanotubes, both when uncoated and when coated with gold. The signal was obtained for all gases tested, N2, Ar, Xe and He. In an attempt to explain the results in terms of conventional thermodynamics, we analyzed them to see if Joule-Thomson cooling, frictional heating, adsorption/absorption heating, or turbulence could account for the results. None of these clearly fit the data, but it is possible that a combination of effects could. At this point it appears that ZP energy extraction from the quantum vacuum remains a possible explanation for the observed radiation. More experimental work will be required to determine if this is the correct explanation.
I noted that about Mary Rose's failure to offer her own take or twist on what she's posting before. It's not conducive to productive discussion or debate. I saw her offer her own opinion once or twice and even thanked her for doing it, hoping positive reinforcement would encourage more such behavior, but it didn't seem to help much since it's still pretty rare.
boncho
All you ever do is repost presentations, conference power points, papers (many of which aren't scientific), and if you are lucky enough to find a bonafide scientific paper, you quote a portion of it, and offer no opinion of your own.
At least you cited a real scientist this time!
Mary Rose
Here's a 2 part YouTube video of Haisch himself talking about the patent:
Vacuum energy is the zero-point energy of all the fields in space, which in the Standard Model includes the electromagnetic field, ....
So if you withdrew energy from it, it wasn't at the lowest energy state, because the only way to withdraw energy is by lowering the energy state and by doing that you've proven it wasn't zero-point or vacuum energy to begin with.
In quantum theory, zero-point energy is a minimum energy below which a thermodynamic system can never go.[12] Thus, none of this energy can be withdrawn without altering the system to a different form in which the system has a lower zero-point energy.
Mary Rose
This gives me hope. This is my first experience seeing a mainstream source express a sincere interest in tapping the zero-point energy.
They are presently (as of Feb. 4, 2009) looking for major funding of around $10 million to carry out more sophisticated testing.
Not exactly, Stirling Allan's website needs some updating since he says Jovion has no website, but now they do:
Mary Rose
They are presently (as of Feb. 4, 2009) looking for major funding of around $10 million to carry out more sophisticated testing.
So, that's where it stands?
So they completed an experiment but they can't really explain the experimental results and whether they result from zero point or more conventional explanations.
In an attempt to explain the results in terms of conventional thermodynamics, we analyzed them to see if Joule-Thomson cooling, frictional heating, adsorption/absorption heating, or turbulence could account for the results. None of these clearly fit the data, but it is possible that a combination of effects could. At this point it appears that ZP energy extraction from the quantum vacuum remains a possible explanation for the observed radiation. More experimental work will be required to determine if this is the correct explanation.
Mary Rose
So four years later the mainstream is not providing funding for the needed experimentation. Too bad.
Mary Rose
reply to post by Arbitrageur
So four years later the mainstream is not providing funding for the needed experimentation. Too bad.
Bernard Haisch is an astrophysicist based in Palo Alto, formerly working on a NASA grant at Lockheed, now heading up his own nascent scientific think tank, the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics.
Bernard Haisch has recently received a $200,000 DARPA grant...
Based on this work, a multi-year NASA study (funded by NASA Headquarters and separate from the Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program) began in 1996 at the Lockheed Martin Advanced Technology Center. Toward the end of the NASA study, over $2M in private philanthropic funding became available and as a result the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics (CIPA) was established in Palo Alto.
boncho
www.metroactive.com...
Bernard Haisch has recently received a $200,000 DARPA grant...
. . . So one must take that “extra step” from the observable zero-point level to the nonobservable virtual state vacuum fluctuations, and then directly connect the two. . . .
1) The 'Radiant Event' which is developed from the H.V. steel anode and coupled to the load circuit by the copper collection tubes appears to provide a large increase in energy. I attribute this to the ionization of air molecules in the spark gap. Each bound electron gains a quanta of electromagnetic radiation during the ionization process. As there is a multiplication of free electrons due to avalanche the release of quanta of electromagnetic radiation when the free electrons strike the H.V. anode is proportional to the increase in free electrons. The process by which electrons release EMR on impact to the H.V. anode is referred to as the "Inverse Photoelectric Effect."
2) The increase in 'free electrons' due to avalanche is directed back to the primary and secondary batteries. See schematic and trace the circuit path back to the neg. terminal of the batteries.
3) The current in the circuit is recycled back to the negative terminals of the batteries.
4) The power pulse delivered to the electromagnet load is [ in phase] high voltage, high current for the optimum duration at the optimum time.
5) The collapsing EMF of the electromagnets is utilized to recharge the secondary batteries. Not shown in the schematic but stated in the Tech. Discussion and Patents.