Police attack nurse because she called her supervisor.

Metaphysique
reply to post by pavil

 

it seems to escape your notice

but hospitals do have rules in place.

you paxnatus,defcon, et al in your servile [or self serving] defense of these thugs are essentially claiming it's ok for police:

to just waltz in and arrest somebody

or kidnap somebody

or silence/intimidate a witness

or snatch a baby.

without anybody questioning.

thus, there are rules and protocols in hospitals for very damned good reasons

of course according to you folks some "people" are above such things.

Sigh...... Ok once again, Hospital POLICIES DON"T TRUMP POLICE WARRANTS. The Police weren't "kidnapping" that man, they were ARRESTING him with a valid WARRANT.
You Can't stop Police for exercising a WARRANT.

Hospitals aren't Foreign Embassies, please learn the law before you talk about it.

Trust me, when Police overstep their bounds, I draw attention to it. This isn't one of those situations.

reply to post by pavil

Trust me, when Police overstep their bounds, I draw attention to it. This isn't one of those situations.

Exaclty. I changed sides Immediately upon realizing that the police had a warrant. Nevermind all the other information that is present in the incident report, but lacking in the news article or the open post.

Bottom line, she didn't need to be treated the way she was by police. They could have done their job without it. No way to rationalize that it is OK behavior.

How long before when a driver is issued a traffic ticket, he is punched first just for good measure. Society needs some snap......

reply to post by tamusan


Good points for sure.

I have empathy for Hospital personnel, they have to put up with a ton of crap, literally as you will see in this story. In one local ER room they know this one particular Drunk who ends up getting admitted all the time. He finally ends up defecating in his pants and then proceeds to walk around naked, leading him to be restrained. When I saw this first, I asked "Does this happen all the time" and they said, with "Don" it happens about once every week or so. They have to let him sober up and then eventually someone comes to pick them up.

I'm sure they become numb to it after awhile. There are a lot of crazy people who don't seem to fit the definition enough to be put in a mental health facility. Maybe the ACA can help with that.

reply to post by pavil

I've written “policy and procedure” manuals for my lab, I guess, at the time, I didn't realize that I was writing the highest law in the land. Apparently, even higher than the US Constitution...
Next time I have to edit it, maybe I'll have to add some new “laws” to the books.

1) Remove the Federal Reserve.
2) Penalties for corporate and banking fraud.
3) Removal of lobbyists from Washington.
4) Penalties for off-shoring.

Anyone got any other good laws they want to add to it while I'm at it?
I'm open to both suggestions and bribes.

tamusan
reply to post by pavil




Exaclty. I changed sides Immediately upon realizing that the police had a warrant. Nevermind all the other information that is present in the incident report, but lacking in the news article or the open post.

Trust me, when Police overstep their bounds, I draw attention to it. This isn't one of those situations.

In case some here doubt me, take a look at this ATS THREAD,

reply to post by gladtobehere


I've been told by copss tha they DO fear the public.Only so many complaints against an offfice can be made before someone will be force to take action. Of course, if that officer isn't a registered "violent offender" in the system, they'll likely just be transfered or whatever. The problem is that people argue they have rights, but don't assert them!

reply to post by Metaphysique


I never said I believe what the police said. The surveillance video has no audio so we really don't what was said to set those officers off.

This is the kind of he said, she said thing that goes on all the time here.

I actually hope that this story gains more traction and even goes to court. That way we will then know the truth of the matter.

But I've seen way to many people who just insist upon calling for blood when it comes to LEOs, when they have absolutely no clue as to what they are talking about. They just don't like cops so all cops must be bad.

"I saw it" doesn't cut it in this case, or most others for that matter. People are basing decisions upon their emotions rather than rational thought. That is also why the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

reply to post by TDawgRex


There seems to be at least a handful of Hospital employees there....... the Truth will get out. Of course some here will just contend that those hospital employees statements were coerced by the Police.

You would be hearing about them already if there was something.

reply to post by roadgravel

Bottom line, she didn't need to be treated the way she was by police. They could have done their job without it. No way to rationalize that it is OK behavior.

How long before when a driver is issued a traffic ticket, he is punched first just for good measure. Society needs some snap......

Nurse Gee acted in a criminal manner by interfering with the leo's ability to enforce a lawful warrant. I really see no excessive force. My initial reaction was because the article and the opening post neglected to mention the warrant. Her statement "this is not going to happen while she is in charge" is a clear intent to obstruct. She was advised that she could be arrested for obstruction. Locking herself behind the nurses desk demonstrated that she was willfully obstructing the service of the lawful warrant. She earned her take down. It could have been a lot worse.

Now to the claim of injustice and being a professional. The only injustice was that a mentally ill sexual predator was allowed access, to his victims, by hospital staff. The hospital staff were not professional with the operation of their loony bin. The only professionals in this situation are the police. I think they handled themselves well, considering how obstructing the warrant opening them up to any amount of force they wanted to use.

Metaphysique, you tickle me! Because defcon, pavil, a couple of others on here and myself will not argue with you
from an irrational emotional state, you become so frustrated and bail.....

Look I have been a nurse for years! Do you know why I became a nurse? Because I love and care about people!
I want to help them however I can within the confines of the law.. We cannot compromise law just because we don't like what it says.. It is our right to have the protection of the law..The nurse in the case who was quoted as saying "NOT on MY Shift" No respectable nurse speaks that way!! We do not walk around claiming ownership of something that we do not own.. Yes, there is a responsibility we have to our patients, but we are not their keepers!
When someone steps in with a legal warrant to arrest a patient and they bring 5 officers, we have the good sense to get out of the way!!!

This nurse was aware of the touching the patient was doing! Yet, did not do a thing to insure the inappropriate touching would stop!!!! such as call the doctor for an order to isolate to safe environment, or admiinister meds, or whatever....! The nurse said " Stop it"!!! Excuse me, but what the hell is that??? She chose to look the other way cause she did not want to deal with it! But by golly when the police showed up, she was bound and determined to be seen as the heroine!!!

The nurse should lose her license!!! She is in the wrong field!!!

Pax

reply to post by tamusan



tamusan and Trex Dawg, hats off to you for logic and common sense!
Stars stars!!

TDawgRex
I have a question.

Why are people here defending a nurse who was blocking access to an alleged sexual predator?

Just curious.

Were they related somehow either through friendship or family.

I'd like to know more about this story.

On the first page from a professional point of view, was the protocol that legally even the police have to follow with hospitals, and they violated it, for she was doing the protocol. Hospitals have a legal protocol. I'll find it and link it.

This, but also the second would probably explain the reason there is official policy for how its done.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

oh and this one:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

5 officers on scene but there is the need to knock a woman to the floor and hit her in order to keep her out of the way or to detain her.

Can't believe anyone thinks that as OK. Doesn't anyone remember the world before 2001?

reply to post by pavil


I have great empathy for mental health patients, nurses, and doctors. I also strongly believe that mental patients, who cannot or do not control their actions, should be effectively dealt with. The situation never should have been allowed to escalate to the point that the suspect was grabbing the victim. I have no sympathy for the suspect or the staff. He should have been controlled, by the staff, until he was able to control himself.

reply to post by Unity_99

You don't have to bother...
Legal protocol relating to patients can be overruled by other laws. When someone breaks the law, a warrant is issued, and an arrested is underway, they lose all their legal rights that you are speaking about. So for example HIPPA, does not apply when a judge orders that the records be opened or confiscated. HIPPA also does not apply to someone taken into custody. When arrested your rights are suspended (which is why they can take away your right to movement and freedom), and you become the property/responsibility of the agent/agency that has taken you into custody.

pavil
reply to post by gladtobehere

 

Sorry on this one. The Nurse really didn't have authority to stop, delay or hinder the officers. There is no "Wait, I have to call my supervisor to see if you can do that" kind of conversation. If the officers are there to apprehend someone, you can't block them without obstructing. You can't stop an LEO from trying to apprehend someone, it doesn't work that way.

I have seen hospital personnel somehow think they are above Police jurisdiction in situations like this literally over a dozen times. I kid you not. The Hospitals think that they have to give permission for LEO to do things, they don't.

... Obstructing a LEO from performing their duties isn't one of those. You do it at your own risk.

You sound like a cop. Or one of those ridiculous police apologists. (Some people will defend cops no matter what. The cop could be caught, red-handed on video stomping in the skull of an infant and these people would say "Well, we couldn't see what happened before this.... maybe that baby made the cop fear for his life. Babies really should not resist arrest like that. You saw it crying and holding up his hands-- that's clearly resisting. The baby was asking for it.)


*cue heavy eye roll*



You seem to think like the cops do. Namely that the badge gives them the authority to go anywhere, or do anything they want. It does not. Allow me to break this down for you very simply:


Medical treatment takes precedence over interrogation, arrest, and criminal prosecution. Always.


This suspect was not just a suspect, but also a patient at a hospital. Theoretically that means they are unwell. Possibly unwell enough for interrogation, arrest, or transport. I have seen many times, cases where a suspect was injured at the scene, where the cops showed up, and instead of being arrested and taken to jail, was escorted to the hospital.


Thing is, those cops are not doctors, or even nurses. Hell, from what I've seen, most of them aren't even smart enough to be cops in the first place. ("We fixin tah bust wunna yo nurses, yuhuhgh") Not to mention their sever ego and attitude problem which causes them to severely over-react in situations like this. But I'll get back to that...


As I was saying, these cops are not doctors. They can not determine the condition of the patient. They can't just go in and rip someone off life support and drag them on a stretcher down to the station. Is this person in critical condition? Are they infectious? Do they need regular medications? Do they need to be regularly checked by medical personnel? You don't know this, and the cops didn't either. You know who should know this? The supervisor.


So this poor woman was probably just following protocol, and looking out for the wellbeing of their patient. Even if the suspect is guilty of what they're accused of, they still have an equal right to medical attention. And the police have no right to interfere with necessary medical treatment.


But of course these mega-dumb cops, aside from not caring about the wellbeing or proper treatment of a human being, have massive egos and attitude problems. So anything even maybe, possibly, slightly interpreted as questioning their authority to do anything they please is seen as both a threat and an insult and so they over-react and engage in brutality. Seems par for the course, for stupid egomaniacal cops these days.


I hope they're sued penniless.


And I hope they one day need to rely on this nurse to treat them when they're critically ill or injured.


I'm sure she'd be the bigger person, and give them proper care anyway... very much unlike what these ego maniacs would probably do, if the roles were reversed.

reply to post by roadgravel


This could have happened years ago, this is not new law.
Obstruction is an old law, warrants go back to the writing of the Constitution.

defcon5
reply to post by Unity_99

 

You don't have to bother...
Legal protocol relating to patients can be overruled by other laws. When someone breaks the law, a warrant is issued, and an arrested is underway, they lose all their legal rights that you are speaking about. So for example HIPPA, does not apply when a judge orders that the records be opened or confiscated. HIPPA also does not apply to someone taken into custody. When arrested your rights are suspended (which is why they can take away your right to movement and freedom), and you become the property/responsibility of the agent/agency that has taken you into custody.

If it could, then the staff would still follow their protocol or they'd be open to libabiltiy, so they did wrong to the nurse who was only calling the supervisor, which was the protocol.

Sorry, they don't get it both ways.

If they have some loop way to get it both ways, with staff trained one way, then that "law" needs its ass handed back to it, because hopsitals train staff to do what she did.

There are quite a few posts given by those who worked in these types of situations, and those posts showed that she did the right thing.

So there must be a wire being crossed here, that wasn't crossed prior to recently, because they knew the protocol.

reply to post by iwilliam

Judges trump doctors, and can order things that may not be medically advisable in a doctors opinion.
For example, Judges can order a prisoner to take meds if they are in custody and refuse to do so. In that instance they can force them, with an extraction team, to take months worth of them at one time injected via a mega dose from an air syringe.