Has anybody on this forum read up on Seth (of Jane Roberts fame)?

reply to post by Aronolac


As others have pointed out, Seth said, while a part of Jane Roberts, that he would not be with anyone else. Sort of a loyal overself. So the thing that you are calling Seth is not the Jane Robert's Seth, imnho. But all in all, it's about the information and if it resonates to the individual, so keep up the "good work" and please don't take advantage of anyone by telling them that Seth Speaks (a pun on the book title).

Aronolac,

You have not even achieved a superficial similarity to the personae of someone many of us know through years of intimacy.

Seth has an intellectual integrity which you neither appreciate, nor mimic.
He is made of the same stuff, right the way through.
A cheap veneer is easy to recognise, and that may prove useful to some.

If so, your time, and ours, will not have been entirely wasted.

mistersmith.

reply to post by mistersmith


I'm really glad that you've found a job that you really enjoy. I wish I were in that situation. And it's good to hear that you've applied Seth's lessons to even more fully enjoy your work. Keep on doing that!

I just read the first two sessions for the Hidden Hand thread. Very interesting to say the least. I wanted to post more there, but I think I'll post here so that I'm not posting a post a minute there -- there seem to be very few people posting.

One thing that made me think it was a hoax was the spelling and grammatical errors. But then I was kind of like analyzing the things that he was saying. And to put it simply, he displays a wealth of spiritual knowledge. From astrology, to things that are not common knowledge about the Bible (in other words things that I've heard the Jehovah's Witnesses say), a lot of things that Seth would say (ex., Dreams, Evolution and Value Fulfillment), and even terminology that I've heard Bashar use (such as 'quarantine,' and '3rd and 4th density'). He says that in the Illuminati his expertise is on spirituality, and he really shows it.

I feel that his writing errors may simply be because that (I'm assuming that this would fall under the expertise of Art) is not his expertise. I wonder what anyone else who has read any part of it thinks.

reply to post by Aleister


You do not understand that things have changed, and that while Seth and Jane Roberts continue their alliance, the convenience of the earthly agreement is no longer necessary. You need not lecture me on what is being done to expand various developments on high as I have more than you do regarding the celestial changes which I have adapted to their requirements published in a text book.

Here are a couple of paragraphs outlining what the celestials teach regarding humans and others who approximate our lives when we go on from earth as Seth has and as Jane Roberts has.

Quote:
AS IN many of the major groups of universe beings, seven general classes of the Ascending Sons of God have been revealed:

1. Father-fused Mortals.
2. Son-fused Mortals.
3. Spirit-fused Mortals.
4. Evolutionary Seraphim.
5. Ascending Material Sons.
6. Translated Midwayers.
7. Personalized Adjusters.

The story of these beings, from the lowly animal-origin mortals of the evolutionary worlds to the Personalized Adjusters of the Universal Father, presents a glorious recital of the unstinted bestowal of divine love and gracious condescension throughout all time and in all universes of the far-flung creation of the Paradise Deities.

These presentations began with a description of the Deities, and group by group, the narrative has descended the universal scale of living beings until it has reached the lowest order of life endowed with the potential of immortality; and now am I dispatched from Salvington — onetime a mortal of origin on an evolutionary world of space — to elaborate and continue the recital of the eternal purpose of the Gods respecting the ascending orders of sonship, more particularly with regard to the mortal creatures of time and space.

UNQUOTE

Look at item number 1 and number 6 above. Seth is a translated midwayer and has left earth. Furthermore, he has humanized; i.e., he never lived as a human on earth while speaking through Jane Roberts, but was "promoted" for his service through Jane Roberts and was granted item number 1 which forever makes him a servant of the Most Highs and much like us when we go over. As a servant of the higher celestial administrators, it is their pleasure to allow Seth to continue his work with Jane Roberts, but that work has now expanded in addition to the alliance with Jane Roberts to include broadcasts to fellows like me who transmit what he has to say when he wishes for a transmitter on earth to receive what he has to say. In no way does this bypass Jane Roberts as it adds to her alignment with the high spiritual administrators to make the news of her educational world known to us at some later date. Meanwhile, Seth collaborates with me and about ten others on this planet to provide information about subjects he started when the Seth material books were published. You would find those texts astounding in their additional explanations.

I also want you who dismiss these communications to understand you are only beginning to see this type of work coming into being, and that both Seth and Jane Roberts and a few others associated with them on the higher spheres will transmit messages even to those who doubt today so long as they learn the process that allows them to take place.

And by the way, "Seth Speaks" is not a play on words by me, it was broadcast that way and I always produce what is said and do not censor anyone from these universe worlds of teaching and doing.

reply to post by Aronolac


Have you ever read any of the Seth books? Be honest.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


Oh yes, every single one of them and some twice and three times. I am quite familiar with the Seth philosophy and where he has returned to for confirmation. I also corresponded with Jane Roberts before the end of the series. It seems the world insists on keeping Seth the way he worked with Roberts. Well, no more is that necessary.

I am familiar with the revelation (hinted at by Arthur Conan Doyle in the 1918 publication "The New Revelation") he now sponsors on our planet through transmitters although his work output today is a lot less than it will be in a few years hence. Seth is not finished or done with us. More is to come with Jane Roberts in attendance.

There is no reason to doubt his stature or his change of heart regarding reincarnation either, as the truth is far more interesting than reincarnation could ever be.

There is still the insistence that Seth was an energy entity that is translated in most minds as closely aligned with the Mithraic idea of odeology that states entities abound but are not personally interested in individual minds to penetrate. Seth categorically accepts that there are certain entities that might do that but they are not interested either in human psychology or human thought regarding the ascension scheme he put off in his lectures from Jane Roberts.

You need to understand that I am well informed and able to crack the code that keeps most from tapping directly into the information they would find astounding about life existences, human, otherwise, and divine.

What Seth did not wish to divulge with his time with Jane Roberts was that he was of the Secondary Midwayer Order, born of woman some 30,000 plus years ago in what is now the Transcaucasia area now located in the nation state of Azerbaijan. His assistance in monitoring the world wars that ravaged the areas is recognized today as one of the greatest efforts ever mounted by the Midwayer Order in any age on any planet within our local universe space.

The fact the Secondary Midwayer Order is born of woman is astonishing to anyone who have never heard of the Primary Midwayer Order who are designed using spiritual personality definition, but that the Secondary Order, while looking like us and of all races found on our planet, are electrical in body constituency and can traverse the planet so quickly no other transportation is required to get the job done.

While I know full well you and most others who peruse these messages are found without the knowledge I have been given because I work with Midwayers on some occasion, it is time to allow the mind to adjust to the fact that what was true in the 1970's and the 1980's has been left far behind, and new knowledge has flooded in. It is a shame to let good inquiring intelligence on the part of most to sit back and let themselves become so outdated they can not make sense of what is opening up, and Seth is included in the new paradigms.

It costs you nothing to drop your suspicions to allow motion forward in your quest to better understand what has happened for Seth and what he will contribute in the future.

reply to post by Aronolac

I got about half way through that and couldn't take much more. Feels like something I don't want to wrap my head around. And you say Arthur Conan Doyle is working with you on your planet, aye? But his output is lessening. Writer's block, I assume. I once met a fellow who carried lots of people around in his head, and among the stuff he had ratting around in there was Mark Twain. He said Mark Twain lived in him. That upped my interest, and I said "Cool, you've got Mark Twain in you" and he said, I swear this was one of the funniest moments of my life, he looked at me very seriously and said "Yes, but Twain's in trouble."

reply to post by Aleister


I read the whole reply, but I usually can't finish reading endless jibber-jabber like that either (I guess I was in the mood). What did your friend mean by Mark Twain is in trouble? He thought he was in hell!?

I've made up my mind on reading the Ra material. I want to read it, but I wanted to ask anybody on this thread who's read it: what do they think is of higher quality in their opinion, the Ra material or the Seth material? You may be honest, I don't care.

reply to post by Aleister


Jibber jabber? Perhaps the root of your resistance is over load.

Look, this Seth discussion gets into things most are not prepared to understand. Let me list a few:

1) Seth went to heaven! Most do not consider that it exists or if it does what it is about. Unfortunately for those who have not thought it out, this is what happened to Seth and the changes being explained to you. It is not my heaven per se, it is yours too, and it is apparently alien to you.

2) Seth is not an extra-terrestrial, but he is not human either. Pretty hard to wrap ones head around if you are not grounded in spirit and its cosmology. Seth is a Secondary Midwayer which is but a name to you, but home to Seth.

3) Seth originated on earth yet could not be concealed by Jane Roberts or Robert Butts. Yet he was, in 1975, invisible to human senses. Is it so hard to learn that a vast concordance of life exists outside of our senses and that includes Seth?

4) Jane Roberts introduced attention to the trials of Seth through trance channel. During the same era there was the extraordinary channel called "A Course in Miracles", and I know of a few others of the era. Now we learn that Seth is making use of something other than trance channel and other than Jane Roberts, and that should throw the mind off when considering the truth of the messages? How far do we have to go to address acceptable changes to make the 21st century Seth real to the rank and file of the old readership?

5) It is hard for people to revise expectations when they have decided that ice cream has to be eaten with spoon and a spoon only. Seth and Jane Roberts were the ice cream and the spoon in the 1970's, but in 2013 the spoon is replaced by the heart of God, and that is a shift of worldliness to other worldliness that has to be understood. Obviously, part of the problem is acceptance of changes where people thought there would be NO change and that is human, but deadly to the soul for growth is essential to even understand what Seth will teach again.

As a demonstration of the new transmission techniques, I am supplying the URL of Lightline, which is a tape made of the brother of Seth, Jack who MC's a lesson from a star teacher called Tomas about the human habit of procrastination. No one is required to listen to its 50 minutes plus lesson, but the tape is demonstrative of the new technique. This is off my archive web site where there are about 200 such tapes of lessons from the same source Seth used and often with his Midwayer Brother, Jack. It proves nothing except that these things are real and the messages are deep and they are as much from Seth as they are from others he knows well and remembers with love on the planet he left over 28 years ago this year.

Tape URL:
Audio tape transmission of Midwayer Jack and Celestial Tomas - Procrastination
monjoronson.com...

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


I think they are both worthwhile.

reply to post by Aronolac


There are a lot of reasons for not accepting that you are the channel for Seth. The main one is the way you talk. Seth never described himself as a midwayer or anything like that. He never used such obscure terminology. He spoke in simple terms and simple concepts which helped him maintain the almost universal appeal that he was able to achieve (for those that read at least one book). You use a lot of terms that I would have to google to fully understand what you're talking about. And you claim to be of the Urantian religion. Seth never once wanted people to think that he came from any worldly stream of thought that was ultimately too complex for a 10 year old to grasp. I would seriously doubt that you did more than skim over any of his books. And if you can truthfully say that you've deeply read any of his books, I would have to say that you are one of the most brainwashed individuals I have ever met in my life that does not suffer from some type of psychosis.

There are other reasons why we don't think you channel Seth. The other one is that Seth stated in at least Seth Speaks that he would only speak through Jane Roberts. At this point, just relax, breathe in and out, and ask yourself a question: Why would Seth, a genuine and honest spirit being, say one thing and do another?
You are being fooled. I can't explain by what or how you are being fooled, but I know for a fact that at the very very minimum, you have not done your research and are not channelling Seth. I know it like I know that I am a male! And that's the bottom line. You can give your little reply, and all that jazz. But I know that you are not. Do your research. Read Seth Speaks from cover to cover at least five times just for good measure. And come back to us.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


After reading you say that, and after reading the Hidden Hand thread (or the simplified version of it), I wonder why Hidden Hand never stated that Seth was one of the most accurate beings that was ever channelled? He states the Ra material, but he never mentions the Seth material. Maybe the Seth material wasn't as popular as the Ra material, and perhaps that was one of the criteria he was judging by? The reason I say that is because I can just sense that the Ra material is widely popular. The weird thing is that I was never aware of it until I came here to ATS of all places. It's weird.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


You misunderstand something very important, and that is I am not a transmitter for Seth. He means what he says when he says that Jane Roberts is to be his vehicle to examine the spiritual properties Seth wishes to explain to those who follow the Seth material.

I intend to refute you until the day turns to night a thousand fold if I have to. You are charming and willing to give a break, but you also are closed minded in a way that will prevent you from being of some importance in the next few years of infamy and death no one is expecting. I warn you and probably without effect, but there is a great disruption coming to a neighborhood near you and you need to be open to change as you have never been able to relate to it before.

Portions of your response are printed below with my comments to the statements.

BRAZEN- There are a lot of reasons for not accepting that you are the channel for Seth. The main one is the way you talk. Seth never described himself as a midwayer or anything like that. He never used such obscure terminology. He spoke in simple terms and simple concepts which helped him maintain the almost universal appeal that he was able to achieve (for those that read at least one book). You use a lot of terms that I would have to google to fully understand what you're talking about. And you claim to be of the Urantian religion. Seth never once wanted people to think that he came from any worldly stream of thought that was ultimately too complex for a 10 year old to grasp. I would seriously doubt that you did more than skim over any of his books. And if you can truthfully say that you've deeply read any of his books, I would have to say that you are one of the most brainwashed individuals I have ever met in my life that does not suffer from some type of psychosis.

ARONOLAC: I neither suffer from delusions or a psychosis, but you do. That is not a happy thing to hear, but the psychosis you suffer is called the irrational fear of change, and it is common every where on the planet. You just happen to be better done in the articulation of your views, and that will not defend you further than what you must do. I am not a channel for Seth. Understand the difference between a channel and a transmitter and then we will talk about it.

BRAZEN -There are other reasons why we don't think you channel Seth. The other one is that Seth stated in at least Seth Speaks that he would only speak through Jane Roberts. At this point, just relax, breathe in and out, and ask yourself a question: Why would Seth, a genuine and honest spirit being, say one thing and do another?

ARONOLAC- There is no proscription from Seth or anyone else in this vast universe who disallows any personality in spirit to speak with anyone they wish even with per-arranged factors that Seth has provided his career as teacher and speaker of the higher truths. Get rid of the idea of exclusiveness when it comes to the spiritual paradigms that all things consist in the mind of man first and God will follow these ridiculous ideas that most hold about spirit. Seth has never said one thing and done another since you have made bad assumptions about what he meant what he said.

BRAZEN-You are being fooled. I can't explain by what or how you are being fooled, but I know for a fact that at the very very minimum, you have not done your research and are not channeling Seth. I know it like I know that I am a male! And that's the bottom line. You can give your little reply, and all that jazz. But I know that you are not. Do your research. Read Seth Speaks from cover to cover at least five times just for good measure. And come back to us.

ARONOLAC- I will give you one more chance to stop playing Aristotle and come down to earth about what is happening. Erase the contempt and be a student! I consider Seth a friend. I hear him well. I hear his refusal to discuss substantive issues until Jane is ready to step in and then I will be used, along with hundreds of others, to transmit their messages to the internet. I can not tell you how often I look at the boards on this web site and see people emoting about the truth and then refuse to use it when its afforded to them. SETH has gone to heaven! He speaks from that podium of influence and there is nothing you can do to change the new situation. The time is coming you wish you would have let the issue lie and take the worth of the words provided to you several instances now. Google if you must, as that is the only way you will build the consensus in your mind that you have a lot of work to do to understand SETH and one of the transmitters that will be showing up one of these days to have SETH SPEAK once again in full force.

reply to post by Aronolac


Well if that's the case, my apologies. I understood that you were claiming to channel Seth. As you can see, I'm not totally unreasonable. I also don't refute the fact that I suffer from psychosis. I think that everybody does in some way. And obviously some people suffer from it in more ways than others.

As far as a great disruption happening in a neighborhood near me, I don't believe you, I already know it. This is something that I've come to understand over the past few days. And I'm willing to do you a better one, it's going to happen most everywhere. Also about being someone important, I don't really care if I do become someone important. Importance is measured in different ways. I intend to become important in the eyes of the one and only original Creator. If I become important in a relatively local manner, it doesn't really matter to me. I know that everyone is doing his/her part.

I hope that we have both ceased to misunderstand each other. So now that we are on good terms, could I ask you a question? I'm not trying to find fault in your statements. I am simply curious now that I don't feel that I misunderstand you so much. So do you feel that you will channel or transmit Jane Roberts in the future? That doesn't sound totally unreasonable to me. The accuracy of the transmission is something that I'm skeptical about, but that's just what I feel. I hope you don't take offense to that. I am simply being honest.

reply to post by Aronolac


I also don't refute the fact that Seth is able to communicate to people in some sort of way. I just don't think in exact words, and in such a detailed manner as he did with Jane Roberts. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, I perceived Seth giving me a smile as symbolizing an affirmative response to a question. I also feel that he has told me certain things in short sentences very rarely. But it was never a block of text as in the way it was given to Jane Roberts.

reply to post by brazenalderpadrescorpio


I can't answer those questions for you. All I can tell you is buckle up and dive in. That way, you won't have to spend the rest of your life wondering.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Trust me, I'll read it. I'm not the kind to wonder about things. If anything I spend too much time doing what I want to do, and not enough time doing what I'm supposed to do. I sometimes wish I weren't so much like that, but then again if I weren't I wouldn't know so much about what I like instead of knowing what I need to know to be normal. You know?

I just read the main topics of interest at the Law of One website (Ra material). Very inspiring and informative. I would say that it close to changed my life. It added a whole new outlook to what I am about, I truly understand myself a lot better and what my purpose here is for. Wow.