Osborne Unveils Tough New Rules For Jobless

A word of warning.

If anyone is thinking about going on the New Enterprise Allowance for new businesses, try your best to have a little capital set aside.

It is a great scheme, as I've just been on it but they've recently changed the payment system to an automated one. (it's less than the dole, £65 a week, survivable-just)

They didn't pay me anything for 2 months - no apology, answer, or rebate
They've stopped paying me when I've got 3 months left -again no apology, answer or payments forthcoming.

This has left me without ANY money for over a month forcing me to sign on again. It's very difficult to build up contacts & jobs in the first year. I've had bits and worked hard & that small amount of income was needed.

I've worked all my life. I will continue to do so but there is no help for small businesses, I want to work for myself and enjoy my life. Contribute to society. Make it a better place.

But if all the finger pointing and tarnishing of classes continues there won't be a healthy vibrant society. Just everyone hating and despising each other. Society is becoming more and more fractured.

There are people who rip the system off, unemployed benefit cheats and tax swindling corporations.
Both as bad as each other and both as guilty for causing the problems we now face.

I'm all for giving big business a boost to bring work into the country but letting them have a monopoly over the workforce is just plain wrong.

destination now
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

What? Please do some research into the benefit system before bleating on! A single mother with one child will receive her income support of £71.50 per week, Child benefit of £21.80 per week, Child tax credit of £59.40 per week, that's £152.70 per week to support her and her child. On top of that her rent is paid and her council tax is paid. My rent in the private sector is £104 per week for a two bed flat, my council tax is £38 per week, this is average for the area I live in, obviously I don't get child benefit or child tax credit as my daughter is a full time student, but as I am on ESA I get £100 per week. I have to pay £6 per week of my rent and £5 per week of my council tax, which leaves me £89 per week to live on, not a huge amount but doable, the woman with one child is getting the same...so what's the problem?

The gravy train I am referring to is for the women who choose to keep having child after child, getting these benefits for each child, therefore a women with 6 children will be receiving £25,334 per year in her hand as her rent and council tax will still be paid...Do you really think that is fair?

sheesh all of the socialists on here live in cloud cuckoo land, how the heck does all of this get paid for and you're suggesting people should just carry on receiving money for doing nothing, breeding like rabbits!

I suggest you start living in the real world.

Maybe you should hand back your ESA as you are obviously fit for work......Typist, or online researcher...you seem to have the skillz....i dont get people who bleat about people claiming benefits whilst they claim benefits themselves...that makes you worse than someone who might have a genuine gripe about people living off the state, as you seem to be doing.

Well Done...Hypocrisy at it finest.

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I laughed at your effect on the Con Club and take it there was no way of grass root policy discussion.

I would point out though that many people who are redundant have paid into the systerm for years and that the money deducted was taken to provide for their health care and help for unemployment. Redundancy does not give you a choice. Just a look around the High Street of our little town shows the loss of jobs in the vacant premises which range from shops, restaurants, service providers, manufacturers, gyms, garages, hotels, guest houses etc etc. The gaps are horrifying and they alone say these jobs are not there at the moment - so what can the people made redundant do and also others who might want to return to work or start work?

What gets me more than anything else is the money wasted on foreign wars, aid as a means of bribery to country's such as Turkey and Israel and all sorts of wasted money. In France the Exchequer earns over a billion Euros every year from its palaces, we pay for ours and their current incumbants, all of whom have incredible wealth of their own in the Millions and also for their security bills - which are now for four generations, aren't they lucky when you look at some of the above people's state income from benefit and see how self financed serfdom still operates. We also foot the huge extra and hidden from public scrutiny bill for their security along with other hidden expenses that chip away at the public purse. When I see people begruding the pittance people get in this country I wonder when they are going to wake up. All the time the government can get people to wine at the genuine unemployed they win and focus on whats actually wrong is taken from the real culprit. Afterall, its been their task to weed out the shirkers and have you ever known a government to get this in hand?

Soloprotocol

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reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

What? Please do some research into the benefit system before bleating on! A single mother with one child will receive her income support of £71.50 per week, Child benefit of £21.80 per week, Child tax credit of £59.40 per week, that's £152.70 per week to support her and her child. On top of that her rent is paid and her council tax is paid. My rent in the private sector is £104 per week for a two bed flat, my council tax is £38 per week, this is average for the area I live in, obviously I don't get child benefit or child tax credit as my daughter is a full time student, but as I am on ESA I get £100 per week. I have to pay £6 per week of my rent and £5 per week of my council tax, which leaves me £89 per week to live on, not a huge amount but doable, the woman with one child is getting the same...so what's the problem?

The gravy train I am referring to is for the women who choose to keep having child after child, getting these benefits for each child, therefore a women with 6 children will be receiving £25,334 per year in her hand as her rent and council tax will still be paid...Do you really think that is fair?

sheesh all of the socialists on here live in cloud cuckoo land, how the heck does all of this get paid for and you're suggesting people should just carry on receiving money for doing nothing, breeding like rabbits!

I suggest you start living in the real world.

Maybe you should hand back your ESA as you are obviously fit for work......Typist, or online researcher...you seem to have the skillz....i dont get people who bleat about people claiming benefits whilst they claim benefits themselves...that makes you worse than someone who might have a genuine gripe about people living off the state, as you seem to be doing.

Well Done...Hypocrisy at it finest.

Wow! What an ignorant and sad person you are...you have no idea about my life and the reason that I cannot work at present is because I have several medical appointments to attend every week, if you look at my posting frequency here you will see that I don't post very much, sometimes there are several weeks inbetween my posts, as I am too ill to even sit at my computer, then of course there are the times that I have to be admitted to hospital as my white blood cell count goes so low, I am extremely ill.

And just point out one post of mine that has said I don't think people should be claiming benefits..just one, as I have repeatedly said, I have no issues with genuine claimants, it's those who don't want to work that I have an issue with.

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Well, I am sorry. Perhaps if you do not want your position to be misunderstood, you ought to be more careful about how you talk about your fellow human beings! There is no way to support this sort of bloody nonsense from government, unless one happens to have an entirely warped and inaccurate sense of just what is going on in this country. If you are not carrying around a bunch of mispreconceptions, perhaps you ought to think seriously about acting like it.

If you are also carrying around a debilitating illness, then you are VERY lucky not to have been victim to government interference in your life already. I can assure you, that most people in your position are getting boned over right now, by the very department who will shortly be enslaving vast numbers of people under this new, draconian, and totally warrantless policy. Show some solidarity for the people who show up in the same file drawer you do! Show some solidarity for the woman who has a spinal complaint which renders her incapable of moving without searing agony, who was told that she is perfectly mobile after a recent means tester (who was not even medically qualified) payed her a visit, threatening her only source of income. Show some solidarity for the single mother who was left by a husband, with three kids and no income after fifteen years of marriage. Show some damned respect for the people at the thin end of the wedge, because mark my words, it is times like these where folks who are in crisis ought to be banding together, not allowing themselves to be divided by the machinations of a corrupt and biased government.

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And yes, I do have "Skillz" as you put it, I have an NC secretarial studies, an HNC Computer Systems Support, a BA(Hons) Business & Information Management and a PgDip Information Technology.

I also have 25 years of work experience

But I also have a life threatening medical condition, believe me, I'd far rather be working in a low paid admin job that living with the pain that I do now

TrueBrit
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Well, I am sorry. Perhaps if you do not want your position to be misunderstood, you ought to be more careful about how you talk about your fellow human beings! There is no way to support this sort of bloody nonsense from government, unless one happens to have an entirely warped and inaccurate sense of just what is going on in this country. If you are not carrying around a bunch of mispreconceptions, perhaps you ought to think seriously about acting like it.

If you are also carrying around a debilitating illness, then you are VERY lucky not to have been victim to government interference in your life already. I can assure you, that most people in your position are getting boned over right now, by the very department who will shortly be enslaving vast numbers of people under this new, draconian, and totally warrantless policy. Show some solidarity for the people who show up in the same file drawer you do! Show some solidarity for the woman who has a spinal complaint which renders her incapable of moving without searing agony, who was told that she is perfectly mobile after a recent means tester (who was not even medically qualified) payed her a visit, threatening her only source of income. Show some solidarity for the single mother who was left by a husband, with three kids and no income after fifteen years of marriage. Show some damned respect for the people at the thin end of the wedge, because mark my words, it is times like these where folks who are in crisis ought to be banding together, not allowing themselves to be divided by the machinations of a corrupt and biased government.

Yet again you do not have any understanding about me and what I do, I show plenty of solidarity for those who have hit a hard place in their lives. The ones I have an issue with are the ones who don't care and don't want to do anything.

Prior to my illness I used to spend a lot of time helping people gain IT skills on a voluntary basis, helping them to write CV's etc, I even helped someone a couple of weeks ago to set up an email address and send their CV electronically...I do care for those who care about themselves

But for the last time, it is those who think that the world owes them a living and do nothing to better themselves that I have an issue with.

But meh, many posters on here just seem to want to misread my words and make out that I'm some sort of mini hitler...can't believe the poster who just said I should hand back my ESA, and I'm one of the people who was assessed to be unfit for work, so I must be hanging at death's door if they've allowed my claim

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Great, so you help people out, but support policies that will destroy them.

Dont get me wrong, I have no love for the small number of scroungers out there either. But policies like these will affect honest people, people who do not deserve to be forced into working for nothing. So, once more without being defensive, how can you support this policy, knowing that it WILL damage and enslave multitudes of innocent, honest, unemployed people?

Pretty simple question I think.

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reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

And yes, I do have "Skillz" as you put it, I have an NC secretarial studies, an HNC Computer Systems Support, a BA(Hons) Business & Information Management and a PgDip Information Technology.

I also have 25 years of work experience

But I also have a life threatening medical condition, believe me, I'd far rather be working in a low paid admin job that living with the pain that I do now

you've just answered your own question...You Have no idea what condition people have or why they are unemployed.

Simple fact is, some people aren't very nice ...

I worked in a homeless hostel a few years ago and the poor sods were left to fend for themselves!
They literally were and still are a bunch of fascists who run the joint! The residents were starving the best part of the time. Were expected to keep appointments with out any intervention from staff. Used to make me cry, how people can be treated so appallingly. Sometimes they were just too weak to get out of bed some mornings, because they were so malnourished. Then you would hear the staff berating them and writing totally unjustified comments in their files. The manager use to have all her fruit lined up on her desk for the day for everyone to see. Despicable and yet they get away with it!!!

Oh and then they vote for each other in the local paper, convinced that they are actually good people, doing a good job!!

To all the bigots out there and you know who you are' ... be careful, because one day it might be YOU!!!


HX

Just another step down the road to a Victorian like society along with all the inequalities and injustices that went with it.

I suspect some won't be happy until we see the return of workhouses and debtors prisons in every single town and city throughout the UK.

And whilst the demonization of the most needy in our society continues apace the top high end earners continue to milk and bleed this country dry.

I'm sure I seem to recall someone once saying that a society is judged by how it treats its most needy and vulnerable - I suspect that if someone was to use that as a guideline then the UK wouldn't be judged very kindly at all.

The UK is a member of the G8; the 8 countries with the largest national economies yet it has an average standard of living that is ranked 28th and falling - personally I find that a national disgrace.

Soloprotocol

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reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

And yes, I do have "Skillz" as you put it, I have an NC secretarial studies, an HNC Computer Systems Support, a BA(Hons) Business & Information Management and a PgDip Information Technology.

I also have 25 years of work experience

But I also have a life threatening medical condition, believe me, I'd far rather be working in a low paid admin job that living with the pain that I do now

you've just answered your own question...You Have no idea what condition people have or why they are unemployed.

In some cases I do...my drug dealing neighbour for one, who was one of the examples I initially used, and I used to work for a charity that helped unemployed people, I've seen the single mothers who as soon as their youngest was school age and they would be at the stage of entering the job market again would get a new boyfriend and pop another kid out.

Sadly there are a minority out there who will abuse the system, and they should be stopped.

Shiloh7
Wouldn't it be nice for the corporations to get an army of the unemployed working for them. with the government paying their unemployment benefit instead of getting wages

Think of all that extra profit from not paying wages that Mr Osborne and Cameron could give to benefit the mega rich corporations and silver spooners. Lets face it they allow some of these businesses to not pay tax here - why not also not pay wages here. Bonus's all round what, just another little extra goody from Dave and Co!

Indeed, as spelled out in the DWP advice to businesses!

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The link above provides further links to DWP 'guidance', including how Job Centre staff are now responsible for making emergency payments now that Crisis Loans have been done away with.

The true quarry of the welfare reform is not the claimnant, capital return there is minimal and looking a the figures, welfare reform will cost far more than it saves. The true quarry is the middle class worker whose safety net is being slashed.

The comments section of the Guardian story on Gideon's latest insane outburst points out that there will need to be massive job creation at the dole offices to monitor the daily signing on he is proposing, with some commentators asking where will the jobless in rural areas and in towns that do not have their own job centre, find the fare to attend! That there is similar derision in the comments section of the Daily Mail piece supports the New Statesman's poll (attitudes to welfare reform) that showed the British public are not the dim wits the government wants to believe.

This attack on the poor is an attack on us all and people are waking up to the clear and obvious fact that all reforms as well as refusal to remove tax breaks for the rich and even the introduction of additional tax breaks for corporations, is nothing but direct theft from the public purse.

TrueBrit
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Great, so you help people out, but support policies that will destroy them.

Dont get me wrong, I have no love for the small number of scroungers out there either. But policies like these will affect honest people, people who do not deserve to be forced into working for nothing. So, once more without being defensive, how can you support this policy, knowing that it WILL damage and enslave multitudes of innocent, honest, unemployed people?

Pretty simple question I think.

I don't think I have ever defended this new initiative, I originally replied to someone who stated that you could see all these thin, gaunt unemployed people walking about and I replied that the statement was nonsense...there are plenty of fat unemployed people as well.

And then I got drawn in to the debate about those who abuse the system.

I did in fact agree with many posters about the fact that if there is unpaid work available then people should be paid, but my main points were about sorting out our economy and creating more employment. However, that will mean that people have to take more responsibility in terms of the products we consume, as we are all too reliant on cheap imports and unless we all support local business and start to create more opportunities then sadly it won't get any better.

happinness
Simple fact is, some people aren't very nice ...

I worked in a homeless hostel a few years ago and the poor sods were left to fend for themselves!
They literally were and still are a bunch of fascists who run the joint! The residents were starving the best part of the time. Were expected to keep appointments with out any intervention from staff. Used to make me cry, how people can be treated so appallingly. Sometimes they were just too weak to get out of bed some mornings, because they were so malnourished. Then you would hear the staff berating them and writing totally unjustified comments in their files. The manager use to have all her fruit lined up on her desk for the day for everyone to see. Despicable and yet they get away with it!!!

Oh and then they vote for each other in the local paper, convinced that they are actually good people, doing a good job!!

To all the bigots out there and you know who you are' ... be careful, because one day it might be YOU!!!


HX

Well you must have had the misfortune of working in the wrong place then. As I previously mentioned I worked for a charity for unemployed people and had regular contact with the local hostel services and the staff there went over and above the call of duty. All of the staff and other staff of external organisations would always have a whip round each Christmas to ensure that all the residents got a little gift, and I was quite happy to chuck £20 in to the pot, even though I was a single parent with a child under 10 at the time, as were many other staff. So not all hostels are like what you have described, in fact, like the work shy, places like that are in the minority.

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greencmp
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Congratulations, you just got your first conscripted labor force!

Can I interest you in some state run
whorehouses?Conscripted labor?We had something very similiar 150 years ago except it was called slavery.

Lady_Tuatha
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They stopped people doing that, now you have to be employed or signed off at least six months in order for it to be considered as a 'new claim'

I couldn't sign off without finding work, cant afford to, I would have nothing to live on.

You have not managed to gather a mob and kill the ruling class. Well, now they have decided to kill you. Slowly. By hard labour without pay. Much like the nazis forcing those involved in the V1 project to work until they died.

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It was their misfortune to have met me. As for their staff, they were brainwashed and vulnerable themselves to an extent. Kept getting told, they were lucky to have a job!
My problem is I can't forget anything and I can't forget the misery inflicted on those poor souls by the staff, simply for being in the unfortunate position of suffering from mental health issues or addictions ... whatever it might be! At the end of the day, you are dealing with somebodies Grandad, somebodies Dad, Mother, Sister, Brother. We cant all be friggin Einstein or have a diploma in life! Some people I have met are so institutionalised, they don't know how to boil an egg! Let alone be homeless!!
I have moved on since then and I now work for the best homeless org. Little did they know I hadn't even left!
A mental note has been taken. What goes around comes around... so they say... hx

Having suffered unemployment first hand in the UK before I was lucky enough to pack my bags and jump ship, I have sympathy for genuine people looking for work but who cant find any. Where I come from (Newcastle) all the industry/production was sold off by the Tories during the 80s and with it job prospects, thus creating welfare families who relied on the state. They (Tories) were more than happy for older workers to go on the sick since they wouldn't be added to official unemployment figures.

Now I read that people may have to go to the jobcentre everyday, which in some peoples eyes should not be a problem for people on the dole. But what if your jobcentre is not so local to you and you have to use public transport?

It costs £3.80 for a daily bus ticket x 5 days a week is £19 per week subtract that from around £55 a week and you are not leaving people much to live.

So does the government then have to subsidize this at an extra cost? It would either be punishment for being unemployed or an extra cost to tax payers.

Scorchio
Question: Why is it that the unemployed are against unpaid work?

Surely, they have nothing to lose by doing this. I would say that any work is preferable to taking money for services that they've not rendered.

So if you found yourself out of work tomorrow by no fault of your own then you would happily agree to work picking up litter 5 days a week for absolutely nothing? I have worked from the age of sixteen. I have paid my fair share of taxes, not only does being unemployed crush your confidence and sense of self worth but it also brings you down. Nothing to lose by doing this? this is kicking people when they are down, people in some prisons are treated better than this! its slave labor!

I really doubt you would have that same attitude if you were the one facing unpaid work!