Osborne Unveils Tough New Rules For Jobless

Bottom line is, if there is actual work for people who are jobless, picking up litter, doing community projects etc..then there's a bloody job right there!

If the jobless are forced to do this work, then they are not jobless as they are working...if they are working, they should be paid at least minimum wage.

If they don't get paid minimum wage, and still only get their benefits, it's slave labour.

And of course, it will be taking legit work away from someone else who would then have to go on one of these forced work placements for his or her benefits, instead of the reasonable wage they would have been earning.

Millions flooding in from albania and Romania at the end of the year won't do much for the few job vacancies that are available either.

BIGOTS spring to mind ... think old Gordon used that term once on a bigot?
They are a race indigenous of this land like the pikeys and the unemployed. The Alf Garnets of this world ... omg there are plenty of them. No wonder this country can never gets anywhere!!!


Don't kick the Police horse ... he is innocent!!!






hx

Anyone here seen photos from the depression in the 1920's. People lining up for the possibility of a days work in which they would be paid in food stamps and not money?
Many without shoes, with a starving wife and children at home. I used to hear my Dad tell me how his Mum would skip meals days on end just so the kids got a feed and how my Grandfather would line up day in and day out with the hope of finding work.
Our stories are pitiful in comparison, I think in some ways working for the dole gives back a little respect. If I end up out of work I will take that with the hope I may learn a new skill.
The world has changed with mechanisation and computerisation, there are less skilled blue collar jobs around.
In Australia we have become a banana republic and rely on tourism and imports.
Our manufacturing industry is dying as we cant compete with cheap asian imports.
So there are now a lot of importers and work in the transport industry, you just need to look outside your comfort zone and learn new skills.

One thing everyone seems to have forgotten.


How can one work if one is so hungry?




hx

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now now what about our diminishing mining boom.....correct me if i am wrong but do we not sell large amounts of uranium to other countries?

destination now
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Not with the introduction of Universal credit they can't where all benefits are lumped together with a maximum payable of £500 per week (includes rent, council tax, child benefit, tax credit, JSA etc)

So fortunately that gravy train has been halted.

Being a Unemployed single Mother living on the bones of your arse, struggling day to day is a "Gravy train"..
Lets look at what is really happening here...lets look at the £500 cap and where it really goes...the single Mother with on kid will probably see £100 quid of that to see her through the week...Feed, cloth and heat herself and her child...The rest will go to the Landlord and the Local council...

£500 a week...they must be talking about London because nowhere i know outside London Charges anywhere near £100 a week for a two bed House and i damn sure the council doesn't charge £300 per week Council Tax....

What is this all about,? this cap is to systematically remove the great unwashed from central London...Ethnic Cleansing to you and me.
This Government are nothing more than Nazis...First they had work Camps...sooner or later this country will have death camps....See ATOS...It's Murder by Proxy.
And if you support this then dont think for one minute the elite wont come after you next...it's only a matter of time. Tick Tock.

They took away our rights to hunt and Farm our own land with the promise of Jobs for all in the industrial machine of the eighteen hundreds....little did we know we eventually we would be working for a pittance just to survive. All they while the Lords and Ladies still look down their collective noses at the peasants....Nothing has change in that regard.

MysterX
Bottom line is, if there is actual work for people who are jobless, picking up litter, doing community projects etc..then there's a bloody job right there!

If the jobless are forced to do this work, then they are not jobless as they are working...if they are working, they should be paid at least minimum wage.

If they don't get paid minimum wage, and still only get their benefits, it's slave labour.

And of course, it will be taking legit work away from someone else who would then have to go on one of these forced work placements for his or her benefits, instead of the reasonable wage they would have been earning.

Millions flooding in from albania and Romania at the end of the year won't do much for the few job vacancies that are available either.

That's the bottom line and well said.....everyone who agrees with this would be up in arms if someone was doing their job for nothing. and i so hope that's what happens to them.

A question.

What do you put on your CV to cover a 2,3 or 4 year gap in employment if you have done nothing at all in that time.

If an employer sees a cv with a three year hole and a similar cv but the three year hole is not a gap but contains details of volunteering etc. which one would you lean towards.

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I wouldn't employ anyone who was enough of a moron to work for nothing simply to please a hypothetical future employer. I don't need the sort of mindless drone who would capitulate to that. If they wrote that during that period they were protesting the state of the jobs market, marching on parliament, making a stand for the common man, rather than bowing to unreasonable demands from a government which seeks only their destruction... That person I would hire.

That's because I am a working man first and everything else second, which is precisely the way it ought to be.

reply to post by destination now


I do think that one part of our problem is that not many of us join the political 'clubs' and get in to have our say. There are Conservative and Labour Clubs and the only way to change policies and ideas is to join and attend their meetings.

I have no idea of what would happen if unemployed people turned up and said they wanted to join these clubs , but it would be very bad press to turn people away due to their unemployment. There is usually a 'want to help you' type who maybe would speak up in order to get people into the club or they may simply be open to all.

By going to their meetings and listening to the speakers and asking for more investment in small British businesses to help the unemployed and to get Britain etc Ireland etc working again, it should get attention and support. Being retired but with family its something I am thinking of doing once I have moved.

The DWP has recently released guidance notes to employers that reveals the real welfare reform agenda.

DWP Reveals The Real Agenda Behind Universal Credit And Welfare Reform

Few have been cynical enough to suggest that Universal Credit will also make it easier for employers to casualise their existing workforce and make it easier to cut worker’s hours in times of ‘business troughs’. Yet just released DWP guidance for employers explaining Universal Credit suggests that this – along with increasing competition for jobs – is the real thinking behind the new benefit regime.

From the DWP’s own website (PDF):

How does it affect my business?


Universal Credit will have a positive effect on your business as you will:

■find it easier to fill any job as more jobseekers will be willing to consider short term or irregular work
■be able to identify opportunities for flexible working using your existing part time employees to meet business peaks and troughs, without the overheads associated with recruiting and training new staff
■have access to a wider pool of applicants for your jobs, many of whom are registered on our Universal Jobmatch service, to help you fill your job vacancies quicker

At least the DWP are telling the truth for once.

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If only you could start a business of your own, one that doesnt require alot of upfront money to begin. It takes alot of brainstorming and meditation sessions asking Spirit/Soul , "who am I and how can I really shine my light, freely, use my talents."

I don't agree with any policies that the harm the poor when their system is the ugliest and most corrupt competive dog eat dog concepts there are. Its a crime against humanity to in any way support them, but to find the way to flow out our own talents and buy from each other, grass roots businesses. Its one of the ways of taking our power back.

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I used to be a member of the local Conservative club. It is a drinking club and nothing more. I used to drink a lot in there because it's a lot cheaper than pubs. I made a drunken arse out of myself on more occasions than i care to remember. My usual night would be to get drunk, ruin some-ones snooker game and go home with a bar maid. In return for my behaviour, i was told that i was the future of the tory party and put forward for the committee. The people who behaved themselves and actually had something intelligent to say, were usually ignored. It's just a jolly boys club full of retired old bankers who need to feel important. Nothing more than that.

I always harp about our g=v because we're entirely socialist. Like you want to see something similiar to Nazi germany just visit canada or the you es. But at least up here being full fledged socialists, the poor are "well taken care of". Which I actaully appreciate. Cuz life is hard, even myself, I have an education, I'm smart, I have computer skills, and more but I still can't seem to make much money on my own. So how the heck is someone with no skills gonna get by? They're not they'd die if our g=v wasn't as generous as they are.

reply to post by Soloprotocol


What? Please do some research into the benefit system before bleating on! A single mother with one child will receive her income support of £71.50 per week, Child benefit of £21.80 per week, Child tax credit of £59.40 per week, that's £152.70 per week to support her and her child. On top of that her rent is paid and her council tax is paid. My rent in the private sector is £104 per week for a two bed flat, my council tax is £38 per week, this is average for the area I live in, obviously I don't get child benefit or child tax credit as my daughter is a full time student, but as I am on ESA I get £100 per week. I have to pay £6 per week of my rent and £5 per week of my council tax, which leaves me £89 per week to live on, not a huge amount but doable, the woman with one child is getting the same...so what's the problem?

The gravy train I am referring to is for the women who choose to keep having child after child, getting these benefits for each child, therefore a women with 6 children will be receiving £25,334 per year in her hand as her rent and council tax will still be paid...Do you really think that is fair?

sheesh all of the socialists on here live in cloud cuckoo land, how the heck does all of this get paid for and you're suggesting people should just carry on receiving money for doing nothing, breeding like rabbits!

I suggest you start living in the real world.

Pardon me for asking ,but couldn't this be considered mandatory reeducation?
Aren't they trying to shift all law enforcement to private contractors there?

Wouldn't it be nice for the corporations to get an army of the unemployed working for them. with the government paying their unemployment benefit instead of getting wages

Think of all that extra profit from not paying wages that Mr Osborne and Cameron could give to benefit the mega rich corporations and silver spooners. Lets face it they allow some of these businesses to not pay tax here - why not also not pay wages here. Bonus's all round what, just another little extra goody from Dave and Co!

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And you think that getting at the minority of system abusers is worth throwing all long term unemployed into unpaid work? So , in summary, slavery is ok, because amongst all the genuine claimants, who make up the overwhelming majority of people on out of work benefits, there are a small number of bastards messing things up for everyone?

Your feet must ache after spending all day in those jackboots.

Question: Why is it that the unemployed are against unpaid work?

Surely, they have nothing to lose by doing this. I would say that any work is preferable to taking money for services that they've not rendered.

TrueBrit
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And you think that getting at the minority of system abusers is worth throwing all long term unemployed into unpaid work? So , in summary, slavery is ok, because amongst all the genuine claimants, who make up the overwhelming majority of people on out of work benefits, there are a small number of bastards messing things up for everyone?

Your feet must ache after spending all day in those jackboots.

Can you or anyone else actually be bothered to read all of my posts, or are you just reading one sentence and jumping to conclusions? Obviously you are because I have never said any such thing, I know there are plenty of genuine claimants and these people do find work, it's the ones who can't be bothered and who just keep birthing children to milk the system that I have an issue with.

And my whole body aches, all day every day with the debilitating illness I have but you couldn't care less you just want to have a dig and make nasty remarks...carry on, I couldn't care less