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GuidedKill
Gun control in any and all countries has had horrible consequences. I understand that most people posting aren't even US citizens so I automatically pay them no mind. But countries like UK should know why we want our guns, I mean it was you that we fought for independence from. You as a society were not smart enough to fight for your guns and oppress tyranny. Just because you haven't learned your lesson doesn't mean we are dumb enough to follow.
justwokeup
We should probably STFU and americans for thier part just do what you want to do and stop arguing with europeans.
TinkerHaus
A week or so ago I got myself involved in a thread about gun control. As was expected, a lot of people from the UK and Australia had a lot to say. It seems the idea that people are buying into is that less guns = less crime.
Despite trying over and over to show that crime rates and gun ownership rates do no correlate, I was unable to convince these people to even CONSIDER that guns are not the reason violent crimes happen.
Fast forward to today, and I stumble upon this study from Harvard that demonstrates exactly what I was claiming. If gun ownership and violent crime DO correlate, the relationship is this: The more guns in civilian hands the lower the rate of violent crimes.
They found that a country like Luxenbourg, which bans all guns has a murder rate that is 9 times higher than Germany, where there are 30,000 guns per 100,000 people. They also cited a study by the U.S.National Academy of Sciences, which studied 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications, and it failed to find one gun control initiative that worked.
Some countries, like Russia, where guns are heavily restricted have INSANE violent crime rates.
Russia has a ban on hand guns and their murder rate is 30.6%, whereas in the United States the rate is a much lower 7.8%. And during the 1990s, gun ownership grew significantly in the United States, while violent crimes dropped by 30%. In England, after they banned handguns, the rate of violent crimes soared.
Considering that most gun crimes in the US (I believe something like 98%) are committed with hand guns, this statistic is particularly interesting.
And, as I've claimed and shown in multiple gun control arguments, violent crime has gone down by nearly 30% in the last 20 years in the USA, while gun ownership has gone up.
The VERY interesting thing about this study is that it doesn't seem to be acknowledged by the MSM. As of now, the only sources for this study that I can find are somewhat "fringe" media outlets. This further lends to the theory that there is an agenda to disarm the civilian population. You have to ask yourself, if we can show over and over that gun ownership and violent crime are not related in a negative way, why do they want to disarm us?
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edit on 23-9-2013 by TinkerHaus because: (no reason given)
needlenight
reply to post by GuidedKill
let me stop you right there. As I have said in a previous post here. Guns are very restricted here in Denmark. And fact is, that it works for us. Granted we are a small country which helps aswell. But it works for us. From the year 2003 to the year 2011 we have had 100 killings commited with the use of guns. And 90% percent of them are gang related. Hells Angels, Bandidos and various immigrant groups.
*****
Again. As I said in my previous post, it wont work in the U.S. Gun restriction simply wont work in the U.S. But dont tell me that it does not work anywhere, when it clearly does.
SadistNocturne
TinkerHaus
Despite trying over and over to show that crime rates and gun ownership rates do no correlate, I was unable to convince these people to even CONSIDER that guns are not the reason violent crimes happen.
Next time you're discussing this with folks from the UK, remind them that their own parliament a few years back was considering a banning of kitchen knives, as they were the highest likely weapon to be used in crimes of passion.