BUSTED! US, UK, back false-flag chemical attack in Syria

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Thank you for that.

People here should know better to source Alex Jones for anything.

139 flags that proves ATS is still on term break. I swear this place has degraded into the realms of absolute nonsense. Any minute know we will have 'but those thousands gassed were all actors.' Mods and board owners, you know better than to let this thread run as long as it has without confining it to the hoax bin. Is a court ruling not enough to confirm these emails are pure fabrication?

Frankly read this and send this tosh of a thread to the hoax bin.


And in this recent thread an ATS member shows how the email time stamps display how these email couldn't be real.


And I genuinely hope that come morning this drivel is thrown into the trash.

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lol..I laughed and stopped reading once I read first paragraph " According to Inforwars.."

And frankly if you are all so ready to believe any rubbish posted/hacked/edited/fabricated then to deny ignorance is a motto this website should remove and change to 'believe anything I can't think critically beyond my a**'. A high court ruling deemed these emails as fake and that is good enough to throw this rubbish into the hoax bin. I am angry and fed up with the way this board has become in regard to Syria. Especially watching a thread like this garner the undeserved attention it has already received.

Ah, but let us maximise page views before doing anything about it. So sick of this rubbish.

Brucee, you should be deemed the ATSer of the year! That's some big fish you're caught right there.

Flagged. of course.

Originally posted by LarryLove
And frankly if you are all so ready to believe any rubbish posted/hacked/edited/fabricated then to deny ignorance is a motto this website should remove and change to 'believe anything I can't think critically beyond my a**'. A high court ruling deemed these emails as fake and that is good enough to throw this rubbish into the hoax bin. I am angry and fed up with the way this board has become in regard to Syria. Especially watching a thread like this garner the undeserved attention it has already received.

Ah, but let us maximise page views before doing anything about it. So sick of this rubbish.

edit on 28-8-2013 by LarryLove because: (no reason given)

But where is your link to that court ruling, and how come it PROVES that those emails were hoaxes?

So the Daily Mail leaked this article in January. They're sued for £110,000 for libel in June, and then 2 months later everything they originally described takes place.....nope, nothing peculiar going on at all there is they! Do they get they're money back!

I've every reason to believe this is just another false-flag operation....just like 9/11, just like the death of Bin Laden, just like the moon landings, just like Roswell....yadda, yadda, etc.

Can anybody give me a reason and subsequent proof that Assad was behind the chemical attack? Anybody....

Originally posted by Astrocyte
Maybe it's just my education in statistics and logical analysis speaking, but I don't understand why so many people can be so completely committed to one idea without realizing that much of their reasoning is based on selective bias and exclusion of contrary information.

There are narratives. One narrative has it that Saddam's chemical weapon supply made its way into Syria before the invasion of Iraq. If this is true - and there is much evidence to suggest that it is - then that means that Syria possesses a chemical weapons supply of its own.

It's also well known that Syria is inherently despotic. A simple reason for that really. Syria is made up of 85% Sunni Muslims, and 15% Shia Muslims (Al Assad is an Alawi, whose religion wasn't regarded as legitimately Shia until the present Ayotollah made it official). Now, in the democratic west, this arrangement is inherently unjust. For one, Assad's government is continuous; and secondly, he represents the interests of a minority part of the population. 4.5 out of every 5 Syrians is Sunni. That means a Syrian president should be Sunni; which means a Syrian parliament should accurately represent this demographic majority. This is not the case. Sunni Syrians are an oppressed people.

Since this is the status quo in Syria, no one in their right mind could argue that this situation is ideal. We wouldn't tolerate it here, and Syrians shouldn't be asked to tolerate it in their country. So, Israel and America have been offering military support to the rebels not simply because it is in their interest to depose a dictator with special ties to Iran, but also, because it is the morally right thing to do.

This narrative makes more sense to me, inasmuch as it describes a world of real competing interests: intermural conflict between the two Islams; America and Israels desire to weaken Iran by weakening it's liasonesque pal Syria; Al Assads own need to preserve power, which means his feeling compelled to use chemical weapons to gain control over the situation in his country.

The other narrative being spun pretty much ignores all these internal conditions and lays the onus at America's door. Strangely, this position is shared by people on both sides of the political spectrum. The reason I am so iffy about this position is that it is blithe about the details. It doesn't seem to care that the middle east is a maelstrom of conflicting attitudes; old world conservatism and new world liberalism; old world socialism/communism and new world democracy. Syria is the bastard child of French colonialism; its demographic foundations were ineptly thought out. Today's problems are a hodgepodge of consequences that perhaps were inevitable. But in any case, a real youth element in Syria seems aligned with the one in Egypt, and just like the one in Egypt disposed of its fundamentalist elements, so too, it's hoped, will Syrias new government be made up of mostly pro-democratic elements who want to integrate their society into the modern world.

Um... no. Your "democratic" and "modern" world is made of PRISONS, of Monsanto mass-contaminating the land and making tons of species disappear, and big oil taking over everything, completely unaccountable for their actions, just like the militarized Police of the new world order.

No matter how the Assad regime is despotic, it's still very far behind the USA, who now holds more than 25% of the world population of prisoners. No protest today cannot be met with a violent repressive police force that will keep people at any point from taking part in the political debate, exactly like during the ALEC meetings and the G20.

There is something you ignore between the old world conservatism and the new world liberalism in the Middle East, that NATO and the CIA never liked having around, it's the MODERN, socialist, nonreligious regimes, that the Assad government is, just like the older regimes of Gaddafi, Sadat, Nasser, Ataturk and Mossadeq. You seem to like pretending being literate and informed, yet you completely avoided almost a century of Middle-Eastern history.

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I will let you, the board and mods come back from your summer fun before engaging any more in this nonsense.

Originally posted by Astrocyte
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it's your kids and wife's job to set you straight.

Must be convenient to just say that. Oh, you're being beaten and are experiencing the emotional trauma of that abuse; you're afraid to even look a certain way at your husband, let alone voice a complaint; your poor nervous system is shot and you have begun to accept the abuse as a natural survival strategy? But DONT WORRY! Intellectuals like Kurius here believes you should "grow some balls" and tell your tormentor (husband) to shape up.

I take it you have never read a book on psychology in your entire life. Not a single psychologist would take such a position seriously; a therapist who has spent years working with victims of PTSD would probably feel tempted to smack you across the face for such woeful ignorance about the human condition.

So, I hope you get that that is not a feasible option for a mother or child who is being abused by the alpha male of the house. They are terrified, weakened - emotionally and psychologically - by the abuse. As such, it is spectacularly immoral to put the onus of responsibility on them, and not on the community, who is in a much more favorable position to help them.

There are such things as proper procedures one should follow, Astrocyte. (sigh) If it goes to the extent of abuse (which I was not at all indicating in my previous post; I was merely referring to someone else's house rules you may not like), there's a 911 you can call. Stop interfering directly and be the Rambo that you clearly want to be. You are not the police! Giving your kids guns to kill your neighbor or burning their house down, for example, will not work very well and look very smart either. I guess that's the part they missed in the psychology book you obviously read? Why are so insistent you should be the savior? Who died recently and made you King of your neighbor's house??? Seriously.

In the case of Syria, to begin with, US, UK and France so prematurely jump into conclusion that Assad used the chem weapons, even though in just the very recent past the so-called 'rebels' were the ones caught using them. Why? With one evidence they will produce that Assad regime used chem weapons there are dozen other opposing ones that they will ignore. Why?
It is therefore, not hard at all to be extremely suspicious of their motives and to what extent they would do to achieve them. I really wouldn't blame anyone who thinks the chem weapon use was a total false flag. It's definitely within the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by LarryLove
And frankly if you are all so ready to believe any rubbish posted/hacked/edited/fabricated then to deny ignorance is a motto this website should remove and change to 'believe anything I can't think critically beyond my a**'. A high court ruling deemed these emails as fake and that is good enough to throw this rubbish into the hoax bin. I am angry and fed up with the way this board has become in regard to Syria. Especially watching a thread like this garner the undeserved attention it has already received.

Ah, but let us maximise page views before doing anything about it. So sick of this rubbish.

edit on 28-8-2013 by LarryLove because: (no reason given)

But where is your link to that court ruling, and how come it PROVES that those emails were hoaxes?

There has been no mention of court ruling except by LarryLove in his post, I'm afraid. I believe they only "settled". Again, I would ask: why won't they sue the pants off Infowars, Yahoo News and all those websites that carry the same news and shut them down once and for all? Besides, certainly 110,000 pounds settlement wasn't a justifiable amount for such a "hoax"?

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Link to retraction.

We now accept that email was fabricated and acknowledge there is no truth in any suggestion that Britam or its directors were willing to consider taking part in such a plot, which may have led to an atrocity.
We apologise to each of them and have agreed to pay substantial damages.

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Seems pretty cut and dried to me. They paid damages.

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Aren't you sick of being had ? Who cares if ANYTHING seems cut and dried, without proof it is a meaningless statement.

Take for example the US government right now going with their "gut".

Getting ready to bomb the crap out of something and with no actual proof, and likely pulled off by people with an agenda.

Oh I get it, people love to believe that Syrians government would gas the people, but certainly no one else could pull this off...lets just go ahead and smash em !

Hopefully people will start "denying ignorance " and finally understand that everything associated with Alex Jones is a hoax designed to increase profits for his corporation.

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Everything? No.

But no loss if you don't listen to him.

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No matter how the Assad regime is despotic, it's still very far behind the USA, who now holds more than 25% of the world population of prisoners.

And yet, if given the choice, you would undoubtedly and invariably choose to live in America.

Somehow, though, America is still more despotic.Quality thinking

Um... no. Your "democratic" and "modern" world is made of PRISONS, of Monsanto mass-contaminating the land and making tons of species disappear, and big oil taking over everything, completely unaccountable for their actions, just like the militarized Police of the new world order.

You've been fed a simplistic narrative of the world. If, for example, you were more interested in science related subjects, you would by privy to the complex questions posed by genomics, evolution, neuroscience, and the philosophical debates surrounding the ethics of genetically modifying an organism, as we've done with many fruits and vegetables.

If you knew this line of history, you would understand that it had less to do with malevolence, and more to do with scientific hubris: the prospect of eliminating a gene that causes variation in size in apples, for example, is pretty enticing.

Also, AYSIATI (all you see is all there is) rules these parts. Conspiracy theorists over-simplify inherently complex issues. High cancer rates is a form of "population control"; autism is caused by vaccines; GMO foods make us sick. These simplistic narratives ignore the major impact of high-stress levels in modern industrial societies; and stress has been implicated as being a major factor in a host of illnesses.

High autism rates, for example, could be due to a variety of factors. For example, areas with higher noise pollution (such as buildings around airports) have higher autism rates; it's also possible that autism rates seem "higher" because autism wasn't discovered until the late 40's, and an improved understanding of the condition has led to higher diagnostic rates. Although I am skeptical of this argument, it is one of many possible candidates. To pretend that you "know" whats going on doesn't mean you actually know - it only means you like so many other people want to make sense of the world, so you choose a narrative that fulfills that personal need.