Here is what I have to say about my experience

reply to post by olaru12


Nothing from a 'trail (we'll leave off the prefix for argument's sake.)
The only thing that can fall from that altitude to reach you below at ground level is really big hail.

An aerosol is much too small to fall like that.
The white dust has a much lower origin. Possibly ground level. Probably ground level.

The law of physics have not changed because of the internet. Neither has the wind.

reply to post by D3AD537


Well that one problem you have identified in the opening line. You are guessing at the altitude, and this is simply impossible.

You ask if I have spent months or years outside observing, the answer is YES.

Not only that, I have spent this time identifying aircraft, flight numbers, routes, operators, speed and altitude for all the planes and photographing them, not simply gazing at the sky.

I have observed grids, circling aircraft and all manner of sightings that chemmies describe and identified them all. I have seen chemmies claim the same plane back and forth, my observation was different aircraft from the same operator on the same or similar routes, but with different flight numbers and registrations, tracked by radar. To me, this is something I can easily imagine someone simply looking up, without the necessary tools, might think was the same plane coming back and forth.

When you say you have seen planes spray clouds that then result in rain and thunderstorms, well I have not, beyond regular cloudseeding, in 40 years, so some kind of support for that claim would be received with interest.

reply to post by rickymouse


Ricky, not all air traffic flies in the same direction, look at this thread here for one example

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by stars15k


Find me proof that they are not doing this experiment. This has to do with what were witnessing and if you will scientific explanation does come in handy. There is not that much air traffic through here. When i say that i mean public air traffic. Few go and stay but the airport is never full, so to speak. Why are there other planes above them just flying around in circles. Why don't they ever seem to land? I've checked numerous times about the weather and aviation. I looked up sleepless nights about this issue. I've lost a good amount of friends and now even family will not simply research thoroughly.
Tell me.. do you honestly believe people are not capable of doing this. research Tesla. Reseach about the guys that branched off from his work. Research vibrations, frequencies, the ancients knew this. Do not just look up weather and aviation. You can control a lot more than most realize with just sounds and tones. Where do you think that monks and ancients levitated or sometimes even flew came from? Add it all up

reply to post by D3AD537

Find me proof that they are not doing this experiment

Out of interest, what kind of proof would you find acceptable?

reply to post by D3AD537

There is not that much air traffic through here.

Are you sure about that...



Maybe you don't notice them without contrails.

You see I live and work around Atlanta, Ga. where there is the busiest airport in the world, yet I don't see planes everyday but when they produce contrails it is easier to see them.

Just because you don't see them that doesn't mean their not there.

reply to post by D3AD537


Here. I use logic and common sense. And the internet, the way it should be used. Research, critical thinking, porn and learning.
Two people made very similar statements to yours....no busy airport, planes without cause....so I researched what they could be seeing. I actually made a video. I kept it short and to the point.

reply to post by D3AD537


Wow. This phrase stood out to me.

I've lost a good amount of friends and now even family will not simply research thoroughly.

I hope you mean have different opinions, or came to other conclusions. You make it sound like you have been a paranoid conspiracy theorist tool.

Maybe you need to look at the other, "sciencey" side to try and prove it wrong. I can look at just about any "chemtrail" site and find basic errors in science, both method and "facts."
You ask me to show you they aren't doing something. I can't. But I know there is no good evidence that anyone anywhere is doing something like the "chemtrail" agenda and I know there has never been a single thing I could not find an answer about using solid science.
Where is your proof? Present something that convinced you there were such a thing as "chemtrails." I'll show you what I can find out about it.

Originally posted by waynos
reply to post by D3AD537

 

Find me proof that they are not doing this experiment

Out of interest, what kind of proof would you find acceptable?

Reliable research and study. Logic and science. And the research I've conducted led me to the explanation to why this is happening. But can you or any one see it? There is evidence from high profile researchers up to civilians at school coming to the same conclusion. This is happening. Logic and science led me here. it seems (not you in particular) that most would rather argue or get angry and fight. People witness aliens or alien space craft in the skies and tell the world what they saw and the govenment says "Nope it's not real" Same thing with this issue. people are saying what they are seeing but the government and politicians say "Nope they're not real" When are people going realize TPTB control what is fact, whether its actually fact or not. They make the rules and if it goes against them in any way. ITS FALSE for some reason when the evidence supports that they are wrong.

reply to post by stars15k


Like I've said before. Spend the day with me and others like myself. the evidence is there.

reply to post by D3AD537

And the research I've conducted led me to the explanation to why this is happening.

If you can show us some of that research that explains why this is happening please share, because as of yet not even the chemtrail gurus can agree on what chemtrails are being sprayed for.

reply to post by waynos


I've watched the same plane fly back forth not once ever landing. EVER. Explain that to me. New Mexico is a desert. Open skies for as far as the eye can see. the congressman here is the one trying to let people know about this issue. But what do ya know, they government came fast and said "Nope, they're not real" All the videos and articles I found about them actually using it gets deleted or 404'd. Wouldn't that be more proof. If they were not real at all, why does the government or politicians get upset and automatically discredit and remove anything about the issue?? basic psychology " If there is nothing to hide, why get upset and try and hide anything at all" Simple. Cause they ARE hiding something.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


HAARP and CHEMTRAILS go hand in hand. If you know anything about HAARP you can easily see how the chemtrails play a role in weather manipulation. read the book "ANGELS DON"T PLAY THIS HAARP".

reply to post by D3AD537


I don't know where you live but if you're in the US the flights are going over you daily even if you don't see them. The US averages something like 87,000 flights every 24 hours. An average of 5,000 are in the air every minute. Of that only about 5,100 are military. Over 28,000 are commercial flights.

reply to post by D3AD537


You cannot possibly think you can tell the difference in chemical content with your eyes.

And the old story about persistence is invalid, because clouds persist.
Unless you hire a plane to fly into a contrail to take a good sample and then process that sample to determine composition, you are seriously deluded.
Because that is the only way you will ever convince anyone who knows there are no "chemtrails" to believe you. Not the shoddy science tests we've all seen and debunked many, many, many times before.
Be specific. Facts like specificity.
Show me one video, website page, blog, or whatever. Heck, show me a picture and explain how it "shows" a "chemtrail."

reply to post by D3AD537


New Mexico is also a military testing ground. Both the Kirtland laser lab and the missile range are there. Both also use aircraft as pay of their tests.

reply to post by D3AD537


Oh, dear. Is there no internet myth you haven't jumbled into your belief system?
Sorry, HAARP doesn't effect the weather. It's output is too small, it's range very limited, and it's not designed to do anything but what it does.....investigate the ionosphere.
Weather doesn't take place in the ionosphere.

reply to post by D3AD537


Why?
Because there is no evidence, and paranoid conspiracy theorists waste their time and my tax dollar.

When lies and shoddy work is exposed, deleting it is a pretty standard thing to do.

reply to post by D3AD537

read the book "ANGELS DON"T PLAY THIS HAARP".

Ah yes Nick Begich...

The man who claims to be a dr. yet he got his degree from a diploma mill. Honestly that doesn't do much for his credibility.

looks similar to what i see from 30,000+ feet away!