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Originally posted by amraks
What so Obama doesn't keep up with the worst school shooting while he is president?
So he relies on staffers to tell him whats going on? If you are president you should give a damn about these things
I think he should analyze current events right now and see why these guns should be legal.
What if Korea does get to the united states soil. Then you have no guns to protect your selfs.
As for his statements he said during the election, that is irrelevant. You should know that politicians say anything they have to in order to win and very often do not follow up with them.
Originally posted by Helious
reply to post by Hopechest
As for his statements he said during the election, that is irrelevant. You should know that politicians say anything they have to in order to win and very often do not follow up with them.
Funny you should say that in spite of the fact that you often parrot talking points from a far left leaning viewpoint. If in fact it is true and you concede by your own admission that the current government, the one before it and the one after should just all be assumed liars and frauds, why do you have any opinion other than that of a return to law and too justice?
If what you just admitted from your own lips is true and you believe it then the American government is an obvious sham and no longer is for the people by the people. Shouldn't you then lend yourself to Constitutionalism to preserve the republic rather than defend the criminals currently in office?
Just asking......
I am actually about as far right as you can get and still believe in a government. I do like to clarify points I am in contention with however, no matter which side I have to defend. And yes, the government has gotten far out of control, though I do not see it as a result that many others on this site do. Governments, not a single one in the history of the planet, have ever run smoothly and without complications. Ours is no different. Does that mean its unrepairable? Of course not but I will grant you that there are many many problems with it. Not sure what else to tell you.
Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Helious
Haha, you give our politicians far too much credit. If you think they are infalliable and have a meaning for everything they say then you have not dealt with the ones I have. Do you remember that video of Obama talking over the British national anthem when he was visiting the Queen?
I can post it if you want.
You really think that was intentional?
I wonder what his true meaning was?
Originally posted by Helious
Originally posted by Hopechest
reply to post by Helious
Haha, you give our politicians far too much credit. If you think they are infalliable and have a meaning for everything they say then you have not dealt with the ones I have. Do you remember that video of Obama talking over the British national anthem when he was visiting the Queen?
I can post it if you want.
You really think that was intentional?
I wonder what his true meaning was?
No, I don't give the politicians that much credit and you know why? Because politicians don't actually make any real decisions. The people that make decisions, decide policy and law are the ones that pay for the politician to be in office. Those people employ the lawyers that draft the incredibly complicated bills that are introduced into congress and the reason that most congressman can't even understand the bills before they have to vote on them.
And yes, I do think it was intentional and the reason why is because I can guarantee you that hundreds of thousands if not millions of people out there now think automatic weapons were used and have already invested in that argument, secondary reporting will not convince a large number of those people because so few of us actually apply critical thinking to every day politics, agenda pushing and strategic posturing.
The "true" meaning was to convince more people than not that automatic weapons and semi automatic weapons are bad. It's a simple message delivered in a simple form based on the knowledge that most people don't need anything other than the initial seed of information from a source to believe it is true.edit on 4-4-2013 by Helious because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SMOKINGGUN2012
reply to post by Asktheanimals
I agree although when he said a fully automatic weapon was used was he really talking about the AR-15 OR the Saiga?
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