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Originally posted by RalagaNarHallas
reply to post by links234
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sorry for the rant but i felt it needed to be said
Originally posted by links234
Originally posted by RalagaNarHallas
reply to post by links234
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sorry for the rant but i felt it needed to be said
Then what the hell are you all so afraid of? You outnumber 'them', you outgun 'them', there's no reason for you to be upset when 'they' say you can't own a particular type of firearm. If you want to wage war on any government, you go right ahead.
More importantly though, I want to address the comment about the supposed 'importance' of the second amendment. How just wielding a weapon makes your opinion more worthy of being heard than an unarmed individual. Threatening to get your way, not through reason or rationality, but through force. I find it absurd that your arguments boil down to stopping one form of tyranny with another form of tyranny.
That's what this is about right? You don't want to argue for legitimate reasons you just want to silence the opposition through force, or at the very least, threat of force. The only rationale I've heard out of this thread for 'Hi-Cap Mags' is to kill snakes and overthrow the government. A legitimate, democratically elected government I might add.
Originally posted by Logarock
Even a democratically elected government is out of bounds when they seek to play god with the rights of the people. These rights were given before and not subject to the shifting winds of elected officals.
Originally posted by links234
Originally posted by Logarock
Even a democratically elected government is out of bounds when they seek to play god with the rights of the people. These rights were given before and not subject to the shifting winds of elected officals.
The rights of the people are bestowed upon them by the people themselves through their government. The bill of rights is a fantastic philosophical experiment that has been expanded by the collective governments of the world since its inception.
That's the distinct difference between you and me; I don't believe that God intended for you to have the ability to more efficiently kill other people, even if Thomas Jefferson did.
There are legitimate uses for firearms. Leaving them lying unlocked on your kitchen table so that your disgruntled teenage son can extract some 'justice' on a former teacher is not one of them.
The entire gun control discussion frustrates me very quickly because you all choose to focus on only one aspect of proposed legislation, while completely ignoring the potential for common ground. This is the idea I brought up earlier when I mentioned manufactured controversy stemming from the NRA.
...More importantly though, I want to address the comment about the supposed 'importance' of the second amendment. How just wielding a weapon makes your opinion more worthy of being heard than an unarmed individual. Threatening to get your way, not through reason or rationality, but through force. I find it absurd that your arguments boil down to stopping one form of tyranny with another form of tyranny.
See Link? There, in his summary, he states that 'we' will lawfully use the proper mechanism of law to enact changes 'we' seek. Tyranny and Force at their finest...
...we will remember the names of the politicians that tried to pass these foolish measures and systematically remove all of them (from) office by the power of vote alone.
That's what this is about right? You don't want to argue for legitimate reasons you just want to silence the opposition through force, or at the very least, threat of force. The only rationale I've heard out of this thread for 'Hi-Cap Mags' is to kill snakes and overthrow the government. A legitimate, democratically elected government I might add.
Originally posted by Hopechest
We have a huge rattlesnake problem on my parents ranch.
Have you ever tried to take out a rattlesnake nest with a pistol or rifle? You'll get a bunch of pissed off snakes after you.
The best tool for that job is something like the AR-15 (preferable 2 or 3) and to cover that area with as many bullets as possible.
Originally posted by Hopechest
You also want a lot of rounds when trying to nail coyotes from a distance. You rarely ever get more than one before they take off running and the more shots you can fire before having to reload means more kills.