My Child threatened on bus today (Gun Violence)

Train your 5th grader use in firearms and tactics and hand to hand combat, then send her off the school "packin' heat"? Sounds like a joke, right? You're a joke for not understanding that the world is dangerous place and there is no guarantee of life to anyone at any age. You live in a bubble world, protected by hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and machinery, used by humans, to prevent loss of freedom, liberty and comfort.

Now that your comfort zone has been affected, at home with this threat - Can't you COMPREHEND the need for every single American to have the right to bear arms, every day and everywhere in order that they might live and contribute to society and BEST, the evil retards that won't?

KIll or be killed. Remove your helpless creature from public school, or prepare her for a fight.

Too young? Who is "Too Young" to start learning the truth about the reality around us?

The bubble world of the Lefty Lunatics is going to POP any day now. Might as well start figuring out where you stand.

Kids will keep threatening, keep mimicing these murders and keep being disconnected from reality on a huge scale.

What's your government's answer?

Originally posted by LightOrange

Originally posted by resoe26
Good lord, obviously you missed the part where I proclaimed that I was nice to everyone. ALWAYS was.

Oh... wait... here it comes.

But

"Always" can precede the word "but"? Yea, no.

in my case, the guy stepped the boundry when talking about blowing up the school sky high. Like c'mon guy, you need some sense kicked into you.

No you need someone to ask you what's wrong and offer some support... Like someone who is "nice to everyone" would do.

One of my best friends in elementary school threatened another one of my best friends with a knife before I was best friends with either of them. I assure you no #-kicking took place. I was 7 and I was more mature than that. The guy with the knife had just moved from the Philipenes and literally didn't have a single friend and he "hated everything" at the time. He actually ended up to be a really cool guy; very honest, very loyal, very friendly. You, however? Well, in your little anecdote you definitely sound like you were an egocentric little turd burglar. Not that I believe your little story at all, though, tough guy.

turd burgler eh?
If you wanna get personal guy, that's cool.
Lets get this nuisance straight, I simply wrote a story that is entirely true, and then you insisted on talking trash over the Internet. That amigo, is mature?
-And you know nothing about tough hermano. Promise.

And egocentric is far from what I was.
But kicking someone's ass because they threatened to blow up the school.....? Not good on your terms huh?
I sure wish we went to the same elementary school together.
Your attitude on things would be quite different.

Originally posted by Eldensword
Train your 5th grader use in firearms and tactics and hand to hand combat, then send her off the school "packin' heat"? Sounds like a joke, right? You're a joke for not understanding that the world is dangerous place and there is no guarantee of life to anyone at any age. You live in a bubble world, protected by hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and machinery, used by humans, to prevent loss of freedom, liberty and comfort.

Now that your comfort zone has been affected, at home with this threat - Can't you COMPREHEND the need for every single American to have the right to bear arms, every day and everywhere in order that they might live and contribute to society and BEST, the evil retards that won't?

KIll or be killed. Remove your helpless creature from public school, or prepare her for a fight.

Too young? Who is "Too Young" to start learning the truth about the reality around us?

The bubble world of the Lefty Lunatics is going to POP any day now. Might as well start figuring out where you stand.

Kids will keep threatening, keep mimicing these murders and keep being disconnected from reality on a huge scale.

What's your government's answer?

edit on 1-2-2013 by Eldensword because: Ammended content

Completely agree.

Seems like crime and violence is spreading to the wealthier suburbs... and the lil sheltered folks are getting scared.

Originally posted by xedocodex
You can't just expect the school to deal with it, you have the information, call the police.
I don't understand why you seem so hesitant to call them.

Ditto.

I would have called the school AND the police AND not had my child attend until I was satisfied with what the response was. I don't even know why there is any discussion. Just call the freakn police ...

Originally posted by littled16
reply to post by antar

 

A lot would depend on the age of the boy and if he actually has access to a firearm. If you are getting nowhere with the school I would take it directly to the boy's parents. We had an incident with something similar when my youngest was still in school and I took it straight to the kid's mother. After a few choice words my daughter never had a problem with this boy again, and from what my daughter and other kids from the school bus told me the boy couldn't sit right for about a week.

And thats the way it should be done!
Bravo.

reply to post by generik


I have to agree with almost everything you have processed on this situation even if it is not the right course of action or direction. It sticks with me through this day and I even went to lunch with the ex, something we have never done since separation, so even though he can be a self serving idiot at times, something in me getting to the root of this sparked some concern in him as well.

I tend to be more Diplomatic in serious confrontation, creating an opening for discussion rather than like him a hot head. He went in to the school this morning too I found out at lunch, a first for him, and tried to threaten the Principal to make sure this kid does not harm our children. LOL. Oh well, at least the pressure gets turned up on the school to act rather than to sit back passively doing nothing. Thanks for adding to the topic.

reply to post by BO XIAN


About #6....

Believe me I wanted to go yelling, shouting and throwing the accusing finger up their noses this morning!!! I would have LOVED to treat them like the children they are in my eyes by not taking the bull by the horns when my daughter first brought this to their attention and it is my opinion the child at whatever age once having admitted as much, should have been held, detained until his parents came for a meeting and to be sent home for these types of horrendous threats until he had time to think things through or seek professional help.

I have so much to say on this if it were just me, one crazy Mom who has had her children threatened, and those of the other beautiful lives at our local school.

How to cross that thin line without making waves turn into tsunamis that will only devastate everyone? How to make such a judgement against or in my eyes for a child who is either really sick or crying out for help without doing more damage?

I truly want to know.

reply to post by Dragoon01


I asked if there were firearms in the child's home, Of Course that was a dead end question due to privacy issues even if the school knew, which imo they should not nor should they even wonder in that direction. We live in the heart of the bread basket, out in the country, everyone has guns and most have more than they need. The reason I asked was not because I perceive a gun or guns in the home as a threat, no, but gauging the response of the principal as to the sanity of the parents if they did have weapons in their home, would the principal feel safe knowing that this child has unhindered access to weapons?

The only issue of the Second amendment which I would consider discussing with the school was my backing of the Principal having a gun to protect the students and faculty, in an earlier post I mentioned that the only thing standing in the way of that is not whether the parents would feel comfortable with that, but the insurance companies and what they will and wont cover in a worst case scenario.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by TorqueyThePig

 

Because a stern warning is all that is needed in a lot of cases........
If you can't understand that, I guess I cannot help you any. Well I will try anyway.
Stern warning, kid talking crap gets scared, realizes it's not a good idea, don't do it again.
Happened plenty to us when we were young, worked like a charm, and without police involvement. The parent gave the stern warnings, not the cops.

Then again I am a country boy, things are different. Kids have been known to beg cops to take them to jail, rather than home when caught doing wrong

edit on Thu, 31 Jan 2013 17:38:39 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

I am sorry but death threats WITH LISTS are way too serious to take lightly, especially when you have to deal with that person on a daily basis. It is one thing to get a "im gonna kick your ass at a bar from some drunk asshole" and what antar described is something different.

The kid has psychological problems and talking to the parents would do almost nothing. The parents themselves share the blame for letting their kid reach that stage. The kid needs treatment or even locked up in some juvenile detention center. I have been bullied myself at junior high and got my ass kicked on a few occasions but it was a fist fight and the perpetrators got suspended.

reply to post by antar


Don't bother talking to the school. Death threats with lists require police action. Do not hesitate at all! Even if the kid was not serious he still deserves to be taught a lesson. Better to error on the side of caution than to error on the side of inaction.

No matter what circumstances occurred, you must contact the police, call the principal, keep your daughter home and don't question it.

reply to post by antar


If I were you, I would act as if my child had her life threatened and that her safety/life is at stake...and then make decisions as a parent accordingly. I can tell you that you may encounter people who will try to downplay the whole issue and make you feel like you are overreacting. I'd tell them to go to hell and wouldn't let the issue drop until there was a resolution that I was completely satisfied. There is no compromise when it comes to the safety of your children. I know that if my son were threatened in that same way, there isn't a thing on this earth that would keep me from keeping him safe and to hell with anyone that has a problem with that.

**edit** wanted to pass on that I hope everything gets worked out and your daughter is in no way harmed

reply to post by antar


Sorry to hear you hit a brick wall, but it's really no surprise. School administration is usually useless.
It's time you take control of the situation and tell the principal that you're concerned that s/he isn't taking this seriously enough. Tell him/her that you want the kid banned from the school bus and demand a meeting with the boy's parent(s). If s/he doesn't bend to these terms, tell them that you're going to the police.
If the principal does ban the kid from the bus and schedules a meeting with the parent(s), see how it goes.
I would still advise going to the police at this point. This kid apparently has no guidance and if this is his way of screaming for attention, his parent(s) might not pay any attention to him anyways.
Good luck!

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by XLR8R

 

I was hoping that I could get the parents # to call them personally. Not sure if I can or not. The school because of privacy issues will not help me get their number. maybe the only way to talk with the childs parents will be to call a meeting at the school. I would rather call them at home first rather than wait until next week to schedule an appointment.

Kudos to you -- you've really handled this frightening situation well.

I should mention that in almost all cases, the administrators won't reveal what they're doing -- it's not a conspiracy, but it is a respect for personal privacy. Imagine being on the other side -- if you had a child who had been having problems (possibly because Imaginary You were going through a divorce or a rough financial time or had been bullied) and suddenly you have the police and the school and other kids' parents showing up to tell you that your kid is a Horrible Person.

So they're trying to deal with it without having the kid freak (and I'm sure you remember what it was like to be a kid and I bet you knew some who just liked mouthing off when they had a really bad day.) And they're trying to not have the parents hysterical (if there is a parent) and keep the school safe. There's no easy answer for them.

I think you and your husband and your stepdaughter (and perhaps any of her friends who overheard this) need to talk about it (read up on it, study it, etc.)

This kid may be depressed and suicidal (they present some of the signs of this) I think the suggestions for teachers on that page are particularly good

Know the school's responsibilities. Schools have been held liable in the courts for not warning the parents in a timely fashion or adequately supervising the suicidal student.
Encourage students to confide in you. Let students know that you are there to help, that you care. Encourage them to come to you if they or someone they know is considering suicide.
Refer student immediately. Do not “send” a student to the school psychologist or counselor. Escort the child yourself to a member of the school’s crisis team. If a team has not been identified, notify the principal, psychologist, counselor, nurse or social worker. (And as soon as possible, request that your school organize a crisis team!)
Join the crisis team. You have valuable information to contribute so that the school crisis team can make an accurate assessment of risk.
Advocate for the child. Sometimes administrators may minimize risk factors and warning signs in a particular student. Advocate for the child until you are certain the child is safe.

If there's no crisis team, perhaps it's time to start pushing the school into getting one.

Also (big disclaimer: I'm not Christian) the information on this site may be useful to SOME degree.

Anyway... wow.

But kudos to you for handling it so well. And sending good wishes to you and your family (and hope that the boy gets help for whatever's troubling him.)

Originally posted by antar
reply to post by Dragoon01

 

I asked if there were firearms in the child's home ... The reason I asked was not because I perceive a gun or guns in the home as a threat, no, but gauging the response of the principal as to the sanity of the parents if they did have weapons in their home, would the principal feel safe knowing that this child has unhindered access to weapons?

The principal probably doesn't know them unless you live in a very tiny town with only a few hundred families -- and even then, wouldn't know if the parents had any precautions in place. It's very easy for kids to get guns when they're in the household, and if the parents hunt or do target practice, the child probably knows where the ammunition is and how to get to guns and ammunition. And, frankly, a kid who is making that kind of threat probably does have family members with guns.

reply to post by Byrd


I can't agree with you. I used to teach and the principal and asst. principal knew who all the trouble makers were. I'd bet my bottom dollar that this kid is on the radar. He's most likely a trouble maker that is sent to the office a few times per month if not per week.

In life one only has family and that is it. If a 13 year old threatend a child of mine in a manner like that the police would be the first call and belive me I hate the police with a passion. However this teenager is threatining several other children with a horrifying act that we have seen come to fruition in the past with terrible results.


Do you know the parents of any children who are on this supposed hit list? If so a call or visit is warrented as he has obviously marked them for attack. Even if he currently has no means of carrying out such an attack one must think that a future event may occur causing this kind of mentality to resurface when the means are available for him to do such a terrible act. So the burden now falls to you to make every one aware that there is at least a ticking time bomb who may emulate the school shooting scenario.


Tell your daughter not to fear as that is what he wants. He needs the power fear provides him to make himself feel better about the abuses he suffers at the hands of others or his parents. Make no mistake he may lash out at her when she defies him but thats where family comes in. any one under 18 can beat him sensless and get off with just a slap on the wrist. Thats how we operated when I was a child some one attacks a weaker family member I payed them a visit when school let out. There was a similar occurrence when I was 14, a very racist black boy who had been held back tried to sexually assault my 9 yo cousin he was12 I found him and his buddies shortly after school let out needless to say he never laid hands on her again. Her mom tried the leagl rout first and was given the answer boys will be boys so to that we responded as boys. The schools hands are tied if he has been labled ed or ld/ed and can do little to punish him. So please try the legal rout first if it fails then go the family rout. Expect reprisal if that fails and have a secondary plan in place as she will become his target.

I hope you have a family like mine we may not like each other but god help you if you try to harm one of us.

reply to post by antar


The kid needs to be arrested for starters.... he has threatened your daughter with murder!!

Dont send your daughter to school until this kid has been taken care of and that means he gets kicked out of that school and like I say arrested and questioned!!

Problem is though if he walks from the police station, he could come after your daughter which must be a pretty scary thought for you.

What does your x say? Maybe he should hang around outside the school and when this kid shows up.... ask him wtf he is on about.... maybe even do a citizens arrest and take him to the police station!!

Unfortunately its all too easy in the US for anyone to get hold of a gun!!

Sorry to be honest here but.

Your whole story seems sketchy and poorly planned out before you started typing.

It is my opinion your just a drama queen, who has made up some cock a mamy story about some fictitious kid planning a school shooting.

You have no credibility in my eyes, do you know why? Here let me tell you why.

You have a kid getting threatened with death, you have some other kid planning a shooting at school, and what do you do?

YOU COME HERE FOR ADVICE.

YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO FOR THE FOLLOWING DAY?

In a real situation like that, thinking ATS first would not happen. Fantasy island, that is where your story has come from.

Please log off the internet for a few months, I think you may have taken all this to seriously.

Just saying.

Originally posted by Eldensword
Train your 5th grader use in firearms and tactics and hand to hand combat, then send her off the school "packin' heat"? Sounds like a joke, right? You're a joke for not understanding that the world is dangerous place and there is no guarantee of life to anyone at any age. You live in a bubble world, protected by hundreds of billions of dollars in weapons and machinery, used by humans, to prevent loss of freedom, liberty and comfort.

So you recommend committing felonys (arming a 10 year old) to deal with the threats of words.
Then you call him/her a joke for thinking just how insane that is.

First off, I am not sure where your from, but our schools in the western civilization aren't warzones. Hell, even in warzones, schools aren't warzones. Closest your think of is if your a girl going to school in Afghanistan..but that's a cultural issue there, not a random insane violent thing.
300 -million- people in the US either went to or are going to school. in the last 75 years, how many people total died from school violence? what percent is that on the 300m?
Perspective is needed, oh panicky one.

Now that your comfort zone has been affected, at home with this threat - Can't you COMPREHEND the need for every single American to have the right to bear arms,

In the same way everyone needs a patriot missile in the off chance a plane is heading towards their house...again..perspective.
If your the home owner seeing something jetting towards your home..no doubt you would really like something to knock it out of the sky before landing on you..but your panic on a statistical anomaly does not = what everyone should worry about.

KIll or be killed. Remove your helpless creature from public school, or prepare her for a fight.

You accidently recommended that she should murder someone over their words....1st amendment..your doing it wrong.

Too young? Who is "Too Young" to start learning the truth about the reality around us?

Your truth? there is no age old enough, or young enough..your going for the "reality is the war in my mind" outlook...and that is basically just the savage scared part of a persons brain...you eventually outgrow it with perspectives though.

The bubble world of the Lefty Lunatics is going to POP any day now. Might as well start figuring out where you stand.

Probably..better crawl in the bunker and lock up now would be my advice...what..your still here? GO! The pop is coming..I heard it was going to be 2009/10/11/12..and every year before that since the dawn of society, and more than likely will go on until cockroaches gain intelligence


The parent simply needs to do what adults are meant to do. hear their child, and call the proper authoritys...there you have it..no ninja training, no freaking the kid out and sending them off with a loaded weapon, ready to take out anyone that makes them a bit nervous while you gave them anxiety attacks.

I am gonna take a stab in the dark here...you don't have kids..do you?