12,000 year old native american site in NC

While driving around today, I noticed a landmark sign that instantly grabbed my attention:



10,000 years BC!!!
This stunned and floored me, we have artifacts that predate modern civilization by about 4,000 years here in the USA, and in North Carolina no less!
I stopped in the Badin Museum, and spoke to one of the volunteers there, I wanted to see this site.
Unfortunately, due to its being on private land, I wasnt going to be getting access , but I looked at their artifact exhibits, and had to snap a pic of this:



This grooved axehead, if we go along with modern archaeologists, is older then the pyramids, but my feeling is the pyramids are far far older then that.
The volunteer and I talked for a little bit and he agrees, our civilization is much older then stated.
I remember reading that the native americans came over to the americas about 10,000 years ago, during the last ice age, crossing the Bearing Strait. Artifacts found at this site included 3 fluted Clovis Points, which were first discovered in Clovis New Mexico
en.wikipedia.org...
With this in mind, the volunteer thinks the indians might have migrated SOUTH to NORTH, not NORTH to SOUTH.
So how have they come to the Americas? Did they come over in boats?
Of course I have my own ideas, but thats for another discussion
You can find out more about the Hardaway site here:

tps.cr.nps.gov...

and here

www.thepilot.com...

With several methods of dating accomplished, it would apear that humans ihabited mexic at least 250,000 yrs ago....
The Smithsonian archaeology cover up is many decades old....a lot of people would loose tenure should this fact become well known.......12000 yrs is not much comparatively, and shows how grudgingly the real age of human habitation is being allowed out.
Science is the product of human beings who are apt to lie to preserve their comfort zone, both physical and mental...

Originally posted by stirling
With several methods of dating accomplished, it would apear that humans ihabited mexic at least 250,000 yrs ago....
The Smithsonian archaeology cover up is many decades old....a lot of people would loose tenure should this fact become well known.......12000 yrs is not much comparatively, and shows how grudgingly the real age of human habitation is being allowed out.
Science is the product of human beings who are apt to lie to preserve their comfort zone, both physical and mental...

edit on 15-1-2013 by stirling because: (no reason given)

Science is a product of beings that allows you, among lots of other stuff, to post such...things...on the internet, with your computer.
Note that I leave you the opportunity to place "human" or "alien" before "beings", just in case you would like to.
But that's no magic...that's science nonetheless: don't bite the hand that feeds you.

OP: nice thread :-) Nice tools!

Cool,

I live in NC too. I actually live fairly close to this museum and have never heard of it before.

Here is the museums website: badinmuseum.stevelee.name...

Also a list of "known" Native American tribes that Lived in NC: www.accessgenealogy.com...


Ive always personally thought that there were Native American tribes in North America long before the commonly understood history of American Indians. I also wonder how they got here. I would lean more towards migration from the south for this part of the continent.


ETA: I cant U2U yet.. I guess my post count isnt high enough. Ill work on that

You know what...I realize I do not know much about native americans (well, I'm from France, so...): that's interesting. Where did they come from, when, how?

You both made me fancy to know more! I'll investigate, thanks :-)

reply to post by blindIo


like I said, whats taught in schools is they migrated over from asia across the Bering Strait during the last ice age and went south, now its being found out they went from south to NORTH

Originally posted by HomerinNC
While driving around today, I noticed a landmark sign that instantly grabbed my attention:

10,000 years BC!!!
This stunned and floored me, we have artifacts that predate modern civilization by about 4,000 years here in the USA, and in North Carolina no less!
I stopped in the Badin Museum, and spoke to one of the volunteers there, I wanted to see this site.
Unfortunately, due to its being on private land, I wasnt going to be getting access

, but I looked at their artifact exhibits, and had to snap a pic of this:

This grooved axehead, if we go along with modern archaeologists, is older then the pyramids, but my feeling is the pyramids are far far older then that.
The volunteer and I talked for a little bit and he agrees, our civilization is much older then stated.
I remember reading that the native americans came over to the americas about 10,000 years ago, during the last ice age, crossing the Bearing Strait. Artifacts found at this site included 3 fluted Clovis Points, which were first discovered in Clovis New Mexico
en.wikipedia.org...
With this in mind, the volunteer thinks the indians might have migrated SOUTH to NORTH, not NORTH to SOUTH.
So how have they come to the Americas? Did they come over in boats?
Of course I have my own ideas, but thats for another discussion

You can find out more about the Hardaway site here:

tps.cr.nps.gov...

and here

www.thepilot.com...

That's awsome there is a marker for the site, there is a comparable site not to far from me in central cal. that has been all but forgotten.
The volunteer likely doesn't know how forward thinking he is, there is a growing body of evidence
that there was a very early entrance into the Americas, possibly by modern humans but maybe even earlier by an archaic homonid, such as h erectus, and that they speciated into culturally modern humans in the Americas.
Evidence from linguistics, genetics and dentition is showing a clear delineation between amerinds and Africans, with those two populations the most divergent and everybody else is in between.
Eventually the academics will get their heads out of their arses and look at the big picture, and realize that the notion of humans having only been in NA for 13k years is hooey.
There are mammoth kill sites in Oklahoma and Mexico that are 50 k years old.
There is the calico hills site in the mojave desert that has tools over 100k and maybe even 200k old.
There is valsequillo in Mexico that has been dated to 40 to 200k years.
There is pendejo cave in MM that gave up 25k year old fingerprints in proto ceramics.
The site in cal I mentioned, the witt Clovis site, had human remains 15k years old and it has a pre Clovis/ western stemmed layer with chipped bone points.

This beauty was found at the witt site,

And these which are not Clovis also found at the site


Here is thread I did about the possible Clovis connection to local tribes here.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I also feel Clovis was more of a traded technology than a homogeneous culture, in its later phases.

reply to post by punkinworks10


nice post punkinworks, and thanks OP for looking into the site
about the private property thing, surely no-one can own a hugely significant site.
i can understand the site being surrounded by private property, but not the site itself, just twitches the needle on my BS radar, makes me think they dont want anyone snooping around and stumbling upon an artifact, something along the lines of the arrow heads in the documentary that fits very nicely into this thread, that can be found at the end of this post
just my thoughts

From the EMMY AWARD WINNING Producers of "The Mystery of the Sphinx" and the Producers of "The Mysterious Origins of Man" comes a new ground breaking film about "New Evidence of Early Man: SUPPRESSED." What happens when scientific evidence conflicts with theory? In the early sixties, discoveries were made in Central Mexico, which were the handiwork of early man. Exquisitely carved animal bones and advanced spear points caused much excitement, including a Life Magazine article, until the dates came in. 5 mutually exclusive geological tests revealed they were over 250,000 years old. In spite of the geochronology, archaeologists insisted the dates were too ridiculously old.

This world-class archaeological region became off-limits for official research, a "professional forbidden zone."

sound familiar?

enjoy!



Youtube link if embed went nuts!

S & F

reply to post by GezinhoKiko


the land is on Alcoa land, you can google them up, they pretty much own most of the land the town of Badin NC sits upon

reply to post by HomerinNC


thanks
i did just that
it seems they are similar to our Environment Agency here in the UK.
which does have its own private property also, but, the difference being, the public have access to 99% of the land being cared for.
the 1% being mainly reservoirs
which for common sense reasons are off limits.

EDIT

Alcoa-Yadkin invites you to enjoy fishing, boating, hiking and other outdoor activities surrounding the Yadkin Project.

but stay away from the ancient site!

from ALCOA website

Alcoa-Yadkin manages the dams and water resources that extend along a 38-mile stretch of the Yadkin River known as the Yadkin Project. The management of four reservoirs – High Rock, Tuckertown, Narrows (Badin Lake) and Falls – extends far beyond power production to providing public and private recreation opportunities, environmental and historic preservation, community water supply needs, downstream user water needs and flood control. We’re committed to balancing environmental and other important interests while preserving the Yadkin Project as a source of economic, environmentally-friendly power.

reply to post by HomerinNC


Nobody knows actual dates of finds......They can speculate all they want, but there are many flaws in carbon dating.

If someone told you that your age is in between 1 million and 100,000 years old, would this be acceptable to you? Fact is there are very obvious flaws to carbon dating, and it is just a guess. This is not a science, so for someone to state something is 12,000 years old is just an opinion!

Although the theory of radiocarbon dating is interesting, there are several inherent problems with the process. The first of these problems is the fact that the original ratio of carbon and radioactive carbon is unknown. The second problem is that the possibility of contamination of the sample over time is quite high. The older the sample the higher the probability of contamination, in fact! What this means is that using carbon dating to date very old samples is really quite impractical given our current level of knowledge and technological capabilities.

While carbon dating continues to be considered by many as a viable way of obtaining authoritative dates for a wide range of artifacts and remains, there is much room for error in the process. Even the use of accelerator mass spectrometry to analyze the relative levels of carbon and radioactive carbon has resulted in flawed determinations. It is not uncommon for different laboratories to determine quite different ages for the same artifact! While some of this deviation could possibly be explained by contamination or erred methodology in the labs themselves, it is apparent that the problems with carbon dating are much more complex than that.

Read more here..... www.essortment.com...

You can google the topic and see all of the many many flaws in our dating process. There is really no way of telling a date of anything we have other than history. If someone was around to document the timeframe, that is about the only accurate portrayal of a date we have.

Must have been pretty cool to see these old artifacts though!!

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein


correct
but dont forget theres FISSION DATING
and theres also DIATOM method, like the documentary i posted above proves, the artifacts were in the same layer of diatoms that died out 80,000 years ago.
and the FACT is they didnt find any, ANY, newer diatoms within the same layer of the artifacts.
So thats 100% bang on the money, that those arrow heads are AT LEAST 80,000 years old.
never mind about speculation like, but they could be 250,000 years old, because that dosnt matter at this moment in time.
what matters is getting the so called scholars to acknowledge these findings, but oh no!
not if it goes against the history books
but again, the diatom process proves the artifacts are 80,000+
not a mere 13,000 years BS

Nice artifacts. I have an 8,000-10,000-year-young American Indian hammer about four feet away from me as I type, and like any information about early inhabitants of any continent. Thanks for this thread, and this is the type of out-of-the-way museum collection that's both important and instructive.

reply to post by GezinhoKiko


I finished watching the video and all I gotta say is WOW!!!!
I've said it before and will say it again, man is much MUCH older then we think, and that modern man is NOT from here

reply to post by Aleister


Hey how about posting a pic???

Welcome to the discovery that history that is taught is flawed!

This is a little old,but you might like it.

New Evidence Puts Man In North America 50,000 Years Ago

www.sciencedaily.com...

Originally posted by HomerinNC
reply to post by blindIo

 

like I said, whats taught in schools is they migrated over from asia across the Bering Strait during the last ice age and went south, now its being found out they went from south to NORTH

Yes, a genius in chat informed me I am Asian last night among other idiotic and racist coments... regardless of all scientific evidence. Im Blackfeet.. Siksika.. and I do love it when things like this are posted. Im sick of ATSers telling me who I am, what I am, where Im from, and what I think because my parents happened to be born on a reservation.

Thanks Homer

reply to post by Advantage


screw em, they dont know you, they are just TROLLS

Looking at early archaeological accounts of the late 19th century and early 20th century, anyone can make a strong argument that the smithsonian, president(s), and other archeological figureheads overstepped their bounds and covered up or destroyed significant amounts of archaeological discoveries both domestic and abroad. In effect, anything that challenged their narrow paradigm of the world.

Contents of the mound builders, multiple giant skeletons, oop artifacts, Native American sites, Viking establishments and evidence of navigation, Chinese coins and anchors on the west coast, South American civilizations, etc. the list goes on and on. What the smithsonian, Vatican, British museum, etc has buried in its vaults is staggering. It's not just the west though, look at the recent 'Caucasian' mummies coming out of chinas Silk Road - officials there are doing their best to cover up and prevent further research into them because it challenges their national paradigm/racial superiority doctrine.

we have a mound not too far from here, i'll be going to go check it out next time i get paid