What is going on here? Sandy Hook threads 404'd everyday!

reply to post by BlindBastards


My thoughts exactly.

Just reading about ats criticism on wiki, interesting to say the least.

Some members of ATS have strongly criticized the site for their personal perception of overtly censoring content though a large number of moderation staff who actively police to uphold its terms and conditions.[15] Users point out that although this may be necessary for the smooth running of the site, censorship can be perceived as being ironic for a site that is user generated. Also, the notion of censorship is a prominent feature in conspiracy literature and this adds to the problems of ATS censorship.

It goes on,

Other users have pointed out that a tradition of always siding with the conspiracy theory can lead to misinformation being posted on the site. The practice of deleting any post that is inadvertently advertising any of ATS’s rival and smaller conspiracy sites is treated with suspicion. Critics would point out that this is ATS taking advantage of its internet monopoly on internet conspiracy literature for corporate gain and reduces the ability to cooperate with other sites to build on knowledge. One claim made by ATS is that news is reported before it is reported in the mainstream media. This occurs rarely, however, as nearly all "alternative news" on ATS comes from mainstream media sources.[20] Some have even gone so far as to accuse ATS of being controlled opposition, reminiscent of the former COINTELPRO operation of the United States. This is a recurrent theme in many ATS posts and one which the owners of the site deny,[21] such as author and commentator Laura Knight Jadczyk[22] who has openly criticized Above Top Secret after she published an article on her alternative news website Signs of the Times.[23] This led to a dispute between her and the owners of ATS who claimed that the article had breached ATS’s “creative commons deed”.[24]

Wiki

Personally I am glad that they do because people seem to handle the subject with the grace of a sledgehammer. Things where getting out of hand with baseless accusations and the printing of peoples personal information. I applaude the staff

reply to post by Aquarius2150


The forum staff has sent out messages as well as started threads of their own explaining that due to the massive influx of threads about sandy hook and the spreading of hatred and disinformation with in them that those threads will be closed. They warned members to be respectful and careful when posting information about sandy hook. Misleading information, lies, and gross exaggerations surrounding the tragedy would result in closed threads and potential bans. We're all a little tired of it.

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Actually this is the reason why my visits to this websites are actually being reduced. Who decide what speculation is unaceppable? I used to have an older account in 2007, closed it for the same reason.so my belief: a redirect to a similar thread would at least provide a reason to why threads were removed, as long as the info is already covered..

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


So because people are registered here before 2012 it gives them the right to act like idiots? It is like me saying to you that anyone that has ever died in your family is alive and well and living in a government facility, don't you dare question how I know this information. That is very arrogant to think that because you are here longer you think your opinion is somehow more important than someone who registered this year. Thank god we have older members like you to bring a bit of class

Originally posted by Todzer
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

So because people are registered here before 2012 it gives them the right to act like idiots? It is like me saying to you that anyone that has ever died in your family is alive and well and living in a government facility, don't you dare question how I know this information. That is very arrogant to think that because you are here longer you think your opinion is somehow more important than someone who registered this year. Thank god we have older members like you to bring a bit of class

edit on 2/1/13 by Todzer because: (no reason given)

Actually you know... its also curious that yet another embryo has to come here to defend other embryos.

Now take a look at the posts. In every thread. Notice who are the members saying "do's" and who are the members saying "don'ts" and you'll come up with a pretty nifty pattern.

EDIT: And yes, I dont have class and I'm an idiot and a cretin... but you know why? Because I used to love this forum. You know what I do EVERYDAY since 2005? I always end up my day having one or two smokes reading ATS. It has become part of my daily life and I'm seeing it being destroyed and declining day by day. Have you seen anything you love fall apart day after day after day? Its like having someone with cancer in your family... and if I'm outraged? YES. Its almost anger actually... I do love this website but freakin HATE what is becoming... and I have no idea if its the fact that became widely known, the new members than come here talking about daily politics that you can turn on your tv and see it for yourself, the amount of "nothing new to the table" this website is seeing... I dont know.

But you know... I do blame you "new censoring young blood" for ruining something I love. I'm sorry but I do. Like I said... you have NO idea the members we had. And you know... back then, I wouldnt DARE to flame anyone because I would actually admit that those guys were really AHEAD of me and I had so many interesting things to read that I posted a few here and there but was never a big poster - as you can see from my post count - why? Because things were interesting and I love to listen... but now? Seriously... you had to know the past ATS to understand me... I love ATS and its going down like a meteor, its scary.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


Once again your post reeks of ego. You don't care what anyone thinks if they registered in 2012 because why? Is it because they don't agree with such an upstanding member like yourself? A member that just disregards a persons word because they don't meet your deadline for membership registration, why is your word more valid than mine or the other posters? Please answer that.

reply to post by Todzer


I don't think that is what FraternitasSaturni means, if I may? I have been a lurker on ats since 2001 it was a godsend for getting to the truth, a thread would go for days and months and years! Until there was no more information about that topic and everyone had to form their own opinions and move on, maybe giving them a little more perspective then when they first clicked on the title of the thread. So I agree that if you truly are a new member maybe found ats a year or two ago liked it and became a member and now you think you know how to delegate yourself here is a misjudgment on your part.

The term "beating a dead horse" comes to mind about how some people may feel about the overwhelming threads about sandy hook, I say let them beat the horse at least in the end everyone can agree that its indeed dead.

Maybe some crossed the line, and maybe some were redundant. But in damn near everyone of them a certain individual took it upon themself to utterly derail them at any cost. It was like a one man jihad against all things Sandy Hook. So even if a thread was on point he made sure it went way off topic.

Originally posted by Todzer
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

Once again your post reeks of ego. You don't care what anyone thinks if they registered in 2012 because why? Is it because they don't agree with such an upstanding member like yourself? A member that just disregards a persons word because they don't meet your deadline for membership registration, why is your word more valid than mine or the other posters? Please answer that.

See that post from Aquarius? Thats actually the good young blood I was talking about versus the "bad young blood". Take a hint from a 2012 "good young blood member" and not from my ego. But at least learn something with him since its obvious that in my case, its my ego talking. Learn from him.

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reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


Because he agrees with you, your first post was an insult to all new members stating that we should keep quite if we don't agree with the oldest members, it got removed, if your post rang true it would still be there but it isn't. So to you a new member should be a good little boy/girl and not disagree with anything that older members have to say? It doesn't matter if you joined yesterday or here from the start, what gives you the right to decide which members have a right to talk? You talk about censorship and yet you are telling other members that their word isn't good enough, do you see the problem?

Originally posted by Sek82
I don't know, maybe sconner is onto something.

Maybe asking simple questions about an incident makes us all those negative bad words, super bad people essentially, and we should just wait for the MSM to tell us what to think happened at Sandy Hook next...

Better yet, lets just forget about the people still trying to deal with the situation and make baseless accusations in public, all the while gloating that we're so special that we've managed to discover this secret, and accuse everyone involved in the tragedy of being actors and satanists.

Tabloid journalism.

Sconner could not have said it better if you ask me, exactly.

Originally posted by Todzer
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

Because he agrees with you, you first post was an insult to all new members stating that we should keep quite if we don't agree with the oldet members, it got removed, if your post rang true it would still be there but it isn't. So to you a new member should be a good little boy/girl and not disagree with anything that older members have to say? It doesn't matter if you joined yesterday or here from the start, what gives you the right to decide which members have a right to talk? You talk about censorship and yet you are telling other memberd their word isn't good enough, do you see the problem?

Wrong. My first post was all about one thing. You dont like the thread? Dont read it. Dont participate on it. Theres lots of threads out there for every taste, I dont go around promoting censorship for the threads I dont like or dont agree with. Sometimes I post there if its really ridiculous, but I never ever promote censorship. You can go on like you said, and say that my family didnt die, they were all taken and are now held up in some CIA NSA hangar... I dont agree with it and I think its stupid, but would I try to shut you up? NO. By all means, you and your kin can have a happy discussion about it... I wont report it, you're free to do and talk about whatever you like and express your indignation and thats you're right.

My issue is that people just dont stop at "I dont agree with this". They go further to the point of actually want some things to censored, and you know what? One day you'll feel the backlash of your reckless thoughts and actions. Maybe the day will come when something you want to say is censored and you know... you'll only have to blame yourself.

always keep in mind Martin Niemoller:

" First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

Keep this in mind every time you push for censorship on anything you dont like.

Also

It doesn't matter what the date in your profile is.

If you're an idiot. You're an idiot regardless of that date.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


Your first post was an insult, it was belittling the poster because he registered in 2012 that is why it is not there anymore and my opinion on the sandy hook threads is there for all to see, I said that I am glad they are keeping an eye on the sandy hook threads and I am because there 50 plus thread a day from people that just farted it out onto their keyboards without any proof and the printing of personal information and just some plain sick accusations of people doing things that people just said without proof or research, do you think that ATS is better letting all that go on or having the common sense to stop the stupidity?

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
Censorship in ats is getting incredible... an actually the last one with the ritual, true or not and as much fat fetched or crazy it was, you got to give the credit to the maker of the video, cause right or wrong thats a lot of work and a huge research job and at least that I think the credit should be given.

Coming here, 404ing threads just because it doesnt fit this or that is exactly the opposite of what ATS should really be. We should have anything here than doesnt fit in the normal, grand scheme of things with some food for thought, even if almost crazy, to open our minds to all perspectives.

This new censorship model ATS is adopting is much like a politician. They start out great... they begin to be famous, then they start gaining important spots, visibility, the change for their highest possible place is in sight, the money starts pouring in, the guy gets elected and........ turns into a guy, just like the others, because the money and the contracts and his very survival depends on it. ATS sold his original soul by the looks of it.

Censoring a video? As member since 2005, that makes me one of the oldest people in here - you know... the others of my time are all gone - jee wonder - but seriously ATS, what went wrong?

I used to like this forum a lot... right now is a pale smoky image of what it used to be... what happened? Does the money do not allow to certain things to be said anymore? Have you sold your soul? Does this "as a business" have to abide by the rules of "someone", because if it is, just say so... and most of the people will be gone because thats not the reason they come... or THINK they come to ATS.

Whats the problem with the Sandy hook - blood ritual video? Can someone answer me... not "elevatedone", someone really with an opinion and with a pertinent and actually important and influential thing to say. Mark? Johnny? SO?

when people start posting a persons public information in a thread that has nothing to do with the research the mods usually shut it down because its easier. also, the endless troll/disino name calling and sometimes they have to delete posts if their advertisers don't like it, so yes, money is part of the reason but not as much as breaking the terms

Originally posted by Romanian
Actually this is the reason why my visits to this websites are actually being reduced. Who decide what speculation is unaceppable? I used to have an older account in 2007, closed it for the same reason.so my belief: a redirect to a similar thread would at least provide a reason to why threads were removed, as long as the info is already covered..

Who decides what's acceptable? The owner of the site. His name is Skeptic Overlord if you want to complain and let him know that he should let you post whatever your want.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


I totally agree with you on this one.
Sometimes I feel that the mods go over the top by closing certain threads.
Certainly in the last twelve months or so and because of this, I think the site has suffered.

It's not as exciting and lots of the threads are what you get in the MSM.
I used to spend hours here reading up on stuff but its not the same now.