How John Kerry Exposed the Contra Cocaine Scandal

Originally posted by AceOfBase
OK jrsdls, how about CIA.gov?

Is that good enough for you?

Nah, nothing is gonna pry that clambrain open.

Originally posted by jrsdls
AceOfBase, I did not do an indepth research into the site, I just looked at the title of the articles and read a few of them. From what I saw, Yes, they get documents from the government, but they only post certain ones. Granted, I am coming from this with a background in the intelligence business. I have been an Intelligence analyst for over 20+ years, I am a register researcher at the National Archives and I have the Clearances to see some of the classified documents that are stored there if I have the need to know. I do know that only a very small amount of documents are de-classified, and it sometimes takes years for even something small to come out. I want to see all the documents, not just the ones selected by a site that has a political purpose.

Right. And I'm the king of Siam!

RealDealios never kiss and tell. Did they forget to let you in on that?

This is the most unbiased source I could find....

www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/12/192323.shtml

Kerry was also the pivotal figure in the infamous Iran-Contra hearings that led up to the crisis in the Reagan administration. He spent the spring of 1986 conducting an unauthorized investigation into reports that the Reagan administration was illegally providing aid to the rebel Nicaraguan Contra armies, which were attempting to overthrow the left-wing government of that Central American nation.

Hey ECK, you want me to post my DD214. I for one am what I claim. You on the other hand has yet to produce anything that states your bona fides. You claim to be a vet, yet when asked what unit you were in, you did not respond. I will tell you what unit's and where I was stationed. You would not make sense of it, those who know would understand it. I went to analyst training at Goodfellow AB, Texas, first Assignment, Misawa, Japan, Second Assignment, Kelly AFB, Texas. TDY's to Hondurus and Saudi Arabia, Third Assignment, Bad Aibling Germany, fourth Assignment, Eglin AFB, Fla. fifth Assignment Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, Last six years, Fort George G. Meade, Md. along the way were additional TDY's to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Turkey, plus several that I can't talk about due to their classification. is that enough for you or do you want more?

Originally posted by jrsdls
Sorry, can't believe anything this left wing socialist rag promotes. It's to biased and can't be trusted. come back when you have something from a real news site.

So, what's a 'real' news site?

And Kerry was one of two Senators taking an interest in this. I saw a clip of him speaking about it.

Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by jrsdls
Sorry, can't believe anything this left wing socialist rag promotes. It's to biased and can't be trusted. come back when you have something from a real news site.

So, what's a 'real' news site?

And Kerry was one of two Senators taking an interest in this. I saw a clip of him speaking about it.

I know, Senator Tom Harkin also went with Kerry on his little fact finding tour. I know that at one time Kerry was admonished because of his trip. He did not look to good after Ortiz ran to Moscow for help. This was when he was a freshman Senator. My point was not the content of the story, but the source used. ECK derides everyone who uses information from sites that he considers false. I wanted him to show me the information from a site that is considered to be main stream or offical documents. he didn't, he resorted to attacks on my character and called me a liar.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
This is the most absurd statement I've heard yet. Total Bu#. Black is white. Day is night. All I can say, Cool Hand is..

Then can you show proof that my statement was wrong? If not then why are you accusing me of being a liar? Oh wait, that's right. When confronted with facts (that don't support your master) you immediately claim that they are false and the person who states them is a disinformation agent.

Are you really that ignorant of the TRUTH, or are you some kind of DISINFORMATION agent?

You know what they say about people in glass houses....

Originally posted by jrsdls
Hey ECK, you want me to post my DD214. I for one am what I claim. You on the other hand has yet to produce anything that states your bona fides. You claim to be a vet, yet when asked what unit you were in, you did not respond. I will tell you what unit's and where I was stationed. You would not make sense of it, those who know would understand it. I went to analyst training at Goodfellow AB, Texas, first Assignment, Misawa, Japan, Second Assignment, Kelly AFB, Texas. TDY's to Hondurus and Saudi Arabia, Third Assignment, Bad Aibling Germany, fourth Assignment, Eglin AFB, Fla. fifth Assignment Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, Last six years, Fort George G. Meade, Md. along the way were additional TDY's to Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Turkey, plus several that I can't talk about due to their classification. is that enough for you or do you want more?

Well, good for you sport.

You've never asked me what unit I was with, for the record. I was with 6th Bn, 101st Avn. Regt. Ft Campbell, KY. Happy now?

Originally posted by jrsdls

Originally posted by taibunsuu

Originally posted by jrsdls
Sorry, can't believe anything this left wing socialist rag promotes. It's to biased and can't be trusted. come back when you have something from a real news site.

So, what's a 'real' news site?

And Kerry was one of two Senators taking an interest in this. I saw a clip of him speaking about it.

My point was not the content of the story, but the source used. ECK derides everyone who uses information from sites that he considers false. I wanted him to show me the information from a site that is considered to be main stream or offical documents. he didn't, he resorted to attacks on my character and called me a liar.

I shouldn't have to tell you this, since yer uh, an intel guy and all ( ), but when someone with a bias, be it right or left, BUYS a news outlet and promotes an agenda.. it's called propaganda.

Originally posted by COOL HAND

That in itself should be enough to convince people not to vote for him. He basically prevented a inquiry into whether or not they were there. Numerous pieces of literature have proven that they were there and that we could have rescued them. If only people like Kerry would have done something about that.

Uh, no. He and McCain worked together to get to the bottom of what happened to our POW's in Vietnam and to get them back. For anyone who knows the facts, you have zero credibility.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Uh, no. He and McCain worked together to get to the bottom of what happened to our POW's in Vietnam and to get them back. For anyone who knows the facts, you have zero credibility.

Try doing a google search on that for yourself. Me and the 64,200 links that came up when I researched John kerry's role with regard to the POWs.

But, like I said before if it goes against your master you don't believe it.

You obviously do not know any of the facts. Try researching for yourself.

If its not posted on propagandamatrix or truthout, etc., its not 'gospel'.....correct?




seekerof

Originally posted by COOL HAND

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Uh, no. He and McCain worked together to get to the bottom of what happened to our POW's in Vietnam and to get them back. For anyone who knows the facts, you have zero credibility.

Try doing a google search on that for yourself. Me and the 64,200 links that came up when I researched John kerry's role with regard to the POWs.

But, like I said before if it goes against your master you don't believe it.

You obviously do not know any of the facts. Try researching for yourself.

Bravo! He can run a google search!

Try reading some of it.

by ECK
NO! Those aren't reliable! No!

ECK, you got major issues.....
One of those sites was a .edu site, and yet, you call it not credible?!
That one site alone has access to more legit material than all of truthout.org has probably gotten its propaganda ladden hands upon!

Pathetic what you call as "not credible".....quite saddening actually.





seekerof

The really sad thing is that most believe that google is the answer to all of their ills. Hate to tell you this, but Google misses alot of things. you have to use smarter search engines. their are a lot of specialized engines out there. any good research can tell you this and point to you to a good one. try copernic.com and buy their professional package. they have about 1000 specialized search engines there.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Bravo! He can run a google search!

Try reading some of it.

That is the whole point you fool. I did read it. You choose to not read or believe it becuase it makes your master look bad.

See that is the problem with you. You (and others as misguided as you)have convinced yourself that John Kerry is the perfect candidate who can do no wrong. I, for one, am getting sick and tired of your propaganda on this website. Does the Kerry campaign pay you by the pound for all the bull you sling around here?

Originally posted by Seekerof

by ECK
NO! Those aren't reliable! No!

ECK, you got major issues.....
One of those sites was a .edu site, and yet, you call it not credible?!

That one site alone has access to more legit material than all of truthout.org has probably gotten its propaganda ladden hands upon!

Pathetic what you call as "not credible".....quite saddening actually.

seekerof

Sorry Seekerof. You don't even know what you're talking about. You might wanna do some checking before you blast a COMPENDIUM site.

Originally posted by jrsdls
The really sad thing is that most believe that google is the answer to all of their ills. Hate to tell you this, but Google misses alot of things. you have to use smarter search engines. their are a lot of specialized engines out there. any good research can tell you this and point to you to a good one. try copernic.com and buy their professional package. they have about 1000 specialized search engines there.

Gee, I didn't know that!

Lexis/Nexis is pretty neat too.

Originally posted by COOL HAND
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Bravo! He can run a google search!

Try reading some of it.

That is the whole point you fool. I did read it. You choose to not read or believe it becuase it makes your master look bad.

Oh, now we're namecalling again. Get a grip Cool Hand - or a more appropriate name.

See that is the problem with you. You (and others as misguided as you)have convinced yourself that John Kerry is the perfect candidate who can do no wrong.

Actually, you're wrong on that point. If you were paying attention to what I've said about Kerry, you wouldn't get that impression at all. My first choice for 2004 was Howard Dean. Unfortunately, the establishment you so vigorously spread disinfo for has given us these two bonesmen to chose from. George Dubya and his goons have so corrupted the Republican party, it is no longer recognizable and I can not possibly vote for him in good conscience. He likes to say Kerry is a tax and spend liberal. Guess what? He has absolutely no shame and no business lobbing that tired-azz slogan, when it is actually his administration who has been on the spending orgy from hell. If Reagan could see what W's been up to, he'd call him out for the fraud he is. Based on Kerry's record, I believe he will be the more responsible steward of our economy.

Can you understand that? Our nation's very economic life depends on the outcome of this election.

I, for one, am getting sick and tired of your propaganda on this website. Does the Kerry campaign pay you by the pound for all the bull you sling around here?

Nope. But if I get your shyte so bent out of shape, maybe I should be. I'm sorry that the truth gets in the way of your little NEO CON agenda. If you offered solid information to back up your assertions people might take you seriously. As it is, they think you're either 14, or an agent of disinfo.

[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
If you offered solid information to back up your assertions people might take you seriously. As it is, they think you're either 14, or an agent of disinfo.

So let me see if I got this straight. When I ask you for information, you ignore me or attempt to derail the arguement. Barring that you tell me to do a search of my own.

So why is it when I tell you to do a search, you accuse me of not providing info? Is it that you are too lazy to do the search yourself, or are you afraid that you might find out that everything that I have said can be easily verified with evidence from THOUSANDS of sources?