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Originally posted by American Mad Man
The UN is worthless!
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
That's putting it mildly. They've actually attained a negative value now, not just a zero value. The U.N. actually makes things worse when they get involved.
Originally posted by devilwasp
So your saying the UN law and geneva convention are bad? make a situation worse? or do you say all the relief programs that have been set up and are funded by the UN are useless? or the idea of many countries talking instead of bombing the crap out of each other doesnt appeal to you?
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
When the U.N. was a young organization, it did some good things. But over the last several decades it has become one of the most corrupt organizations on the planet. The U.N. still has a lot of potential, but until it's cleaned up from the inside out, it will continue to be the detriment it is today.
It doesn't help either that the U.N. considers republics and dictatorships equivalent in its eyes. Communist nations should be put on a probation of some kind as members, and outright dictatorships should be banned from the U.N. The nations these dictators took over could be readmitted to the U.N. once a republic has been re-established.
The main problem the U.N. has with relief programs is that, while they look good on paper, in practice the money, food, medical supplies, etc. rarely ends up going to the intended people in need. They usually end up in the hands of the dictators and warlords that caused the human suffering in the first place that brought about the establishment of said relief programs. The program's intentions are noble, but the corruption gets to the relief program first. The U.N. has to fix problems like this.
Of course I don't want countries bombing the crap out of each other. But I don't want to be railroaded into an agenda that hurts my country, or many countries, though a corrupt organization either.
Originally posted by devilwasp
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
That's putting it mildly. They've actually attained a negative value now, not just a zero value. The U.N. actually makes things worse when they get involved.
so your saying the UN law and geneva convention are bad? make a situation worse?
or do you say all the relief programs that have been set up and are funded by the UN are useless?
or the idea of many countries talking instead of bombing the crap out of each other doesnt appeal to you?
Originally posted by devilwasp
firstly there is no comunist goverment in existance in the world and has never been one. secondly look up comunism before you make a comment on how evil it is.
Originally posted by devilwasp
easier said than done , unless the world's goverments are prepared to bring down the dictator there is little chance of re-establishment.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Yes - I say UN law is worthless. Remember according to UN law the UN should have gone into Iraq. But because countries are allowed to veto, they will look out for their own best intrests instead of upholdig the spirit of the law and resolution (France, Germany, Russia and Iraq ring a bell?).
The Geneva convention is good in theory, but in practice will only be practiced by a few countries, and even then individual soldiers will break it.
Yes, I say they are all useless because they are so wastefull. And guess whos money is being wasted - yours and especially mine.
Give me a break. No one wants that, but the UN doesn't do too much of this either.
Originally posted by ThunderCloud
You're right; Communism can't exist naturally because it goes against human nature. Most 'Communist' countries are really just dictatorships in disguise -- so the U.N. should ban them too, since they're really dictatorships.
I don't think Communism as it's written on paper is 'evil'; but I do think that it's one of many grandiose ideas that will never work in the real world because it fails to take human nature, as well as inherent human rights & freedoms, into account. In real world applications, Communist countries quickly deteriorate into dictatorships, like a manufactured element created in a chemistry lab quickly deteriorates into a simpler, naturally occuring element.
True, which is why the removal of Milosivec in Yugoslavia, the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Heussein in Iraq are good things. Other dictators should beware, and know that the only reason they're still in power is because they can only be removed one by one (as a single removal of a dictator and the re-establishment of a rebublic can take several years of work).
I don't advocate the destruction of the U.N., or for the U.S. to leave the U.N.; but, the U.N.'s house is full of ants, termites, roaches, and spiders, and some major fumigation needs to take place there.
Originally posted by devilwasp
i wouldnt say so.
remember bosnia?
was that justified?
you'd be suprised, they have a meeting every month i think.
see all these third world countries? they are in peace talks alot.
did you know the UN has its on anti terrorist comittee?
Originally posted by American Mad Man
No - the reason they didn't want to go in was purely economical. They all stood to loose billions of dollars. Oil For Food scandal ring a bell?
Of course they have a meeting every month. They probably have 50 because thats all the UN does - talk.
Of course the UN has an anti-terrorist comitee. They have one for everything and waste everyones money doing it to make a few of these people rich.