Chemtrails: what do you make out of these vids?

reply to post by deckdel

If we can control how to "pump up" the ionosphere locally with a plasma shield - then we can achieve similar effects, if not even better.

Maybe, but the Sun is gonna pretty much trump anything we can do most of the time.

What does this have to do with "chemtrails"? Planes don't fly in the ionosphere and "chemtrails" don't appear there either.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Indirectly, there are evidence on pumping up. The open power budget for HAARP facility is around 3 MW. Opinions are mixed if its a research facility or an operational facility (I tend to go for research, since the 3MW is not that much). However, real deal could be different (since rumors go, the beast eats substantially more than that)

www.haarp.alaska.edu...

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by deckdel

 

If we can control how to "pump up" the ionosphere locally with a plasma shield - then we can achieve similar effects, if not even better.

Maybe, but the Sun is gonna pretty much trump anything we can do most of the time.

What does this have to do with "chemtrails"? Planes don't fly in the ionosphere and "chemtrails" don't appear there either.

Since the 4th video claimed barium coming from the "chemtrails" this fellow did observe in the sky. Thinking this through, we might be more aligned to believe the source of barium not being from any jetliner.

reply to post by deckdel


"indirectly" as you say 3 Mw is miniscule - so "indirectly" it tends to support the idea that HAARP can do squat.

It is easy to invent conditions under which it might "do something" such as possible massive "secret" power consumption - but unless you ahve any actual evidence that is all you are doing - inventing something - using your imagination to create an idea for which no actual evidence exists.

the word for that is fiction.

Sadly this goes on far too much around the world - as if there are not enough real conspiracies doing real harm to real people that need to be sorted out!

Originally posted by deckdel
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Since the 4th video claimed barium coming from the "chemtrails" this fellow did observe in the sky. Thinking this through, we might be more aligned to believe the source of barium not being from any jetliner.

Barium blows in the atmosphere in the form of dust from surface deposits - especially in the west of the USA, where Barite is a relatively common mineral.

It also comes from fireworks (makes them green), brake pads, drilling mud and as an additive to diesel I think.

So indeed there are many sources for barium that are not airliners.

reply to post by deckdel

The forth video is a joke.
They didn't even get the units right. No unusual level of barium was found.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Sure there are other sources for barium. But they seldomly deposit through air the way this guy in the video claims, and actually had collected such deposits. His claim was, seeing the contrails, and then little by little, some particles in the air - and these turned out to be barium - this would've come from the contrails.

So, blue eyes shining we might say - yes this was a chemtrail containing barium. But, if we drill it through, we can see other, more potential sources for the aerial deposites of barium.

Then, of course we need to figure out, a plausible reason for those other sources of atmospheric barium.

And in this path, we can provide trace back to late 60s, with more recent mil-use being in the upper atmosphere (using rockets).

reply to post by deckdel

A guy leaves some jars outside for a month then takes them in to be analyzed. He lives in Stamps, Arkansas which happens to be the home of a refining plant that was shut down because of the contamination it caused.

Numerous distressed vegetative areas have been observed and documented, and in 1996 a fish kill on Badcau Creek was reported and investigated downstream from the facility. The salt cake also contains several metal contaminants including aluminum, arsenic, chromium, barium, copper, cadmium, nickel, lead, and zinc. Although, much less soluble than the chlorides, the metals can pose a concern to the environment is certain situations.

www.atsdr.cdc.gov...

Dust in the wind...

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....Which would mean, we do can provide common sense, legit explanations for all the four videos.

reply to post by deckdel

All of the common sense (and factual) explanations have nothing to do with "chemtrails".

Originally posted by Phage
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A guy leaves some jars outside for a month then takes them in to be analyzed. He lives in Stamps, Arkansas which happens to be the home of a refining plant that was shut down because of the contamination it caused.

Numerous distressed vegetative areas have been observed and documented, and in 1996 a fish kill on Badcau Creek was reported and investigated downstream from the facility. The salt cake also contains several metal contaminants including aluminum, arsenic, chromium, barium, copper, cadmium, nickel, lead, and zinc. Although, much less soluble than the chlorides, the metals can pose a concern to the environment is certain situations.

www.adeq.state.ar.us...

Dust in the wind...

edit on 6/12/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)

That "minor" detail right there in his backyard - and he's watching sky. LOL

Excellent find.

But then we have actually rock solid case and explanation for the 4th video, which totally closes the loop.

Originally posted by deckdel
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Sure there are other sources for barium. But they seldomly deposit through air the way this guy in the video claims, and actually had collected such deposits. His claim was, seeing the contrails, and then little by little, some particles in the air - and these turned out to be barium - this would've come from the contrails.

Really?

Barium in the air from any other source would not have collected in this guys sampling??

Why not?

This article claims barium from brake pads can track polution - it seems to have as little more rigor behind it than some guy with jars in his back yard.

So, blue eyes shining we might say - yes this was a chemtrail containing barium. But, if we drill it through, we can see other, more potential sources for the aerial deposites of barium.

We can? I know we can imagine them - but I see little actual evidence that any of the ones proposed are actually real.

Then, of course we need to figure out, a plausible reason for those other sources of atmospheric barium.

I thought you had already done that as per the sentence quoted above.

of course you are still putting the cart before the horse - you have not actually shown that there is a programme of atmospheric barium spraying other than sounding rockets at over 100km altitude - so no, there is no need to find a plausible reason at all!

And in this path, we can provide trace back to late 60s, with more recent mil-use being in the upper atmosphere (using rockets).

you clearly misunderstand what has been going on - sounding rockets using barium to examinee the upper atmosphere were in use from the 1960's - it is not somethign that the military has started doing recently

Read this article for a summary of the history

Originally posted by Phage
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All of the common sense (and factual) explanations have nothing to do with "chemtrails".

... As we have drilled this through, we have been able to cover all the 4 cases plus the 5th German one, with common sense and factual explanations, giving a far less cataclysmic nature for these "chemtrails". But also, in my opinion, these explanations cover range of similar cases and not only specifically these 4(5) ones.

As what comes to aerial barium deposits, my recommendation definitively is to check around first (backyard chem plants), before watching the skies.