My little sister gets suspended for conspiracy theorizing...?

reply to post by Annee


I couldn't disagree with you more! It's none of the teacher's dang business what is taught or learned at home. It's none of ANYONE's dang business! Too many people minding everyone's business but their own.

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Jordan River
10 year olds dont need conspiracy talk!

Pffft. Tell you what, the night they broke in on the news to tell everyone that Bin Laden had been killed, my 9 year old said, "That's not true" before her father and I could get one word in.

Children are not stupid.

Some are.....

Originally posted by wirefly

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).

I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.

No, she is plenty old enough. If she's old enough to be taught lies, why is she not old enough to be taught truths? Why does she need to go through being taught misinfo only to have to overcome that later when she discovers the truth? That's some crazy talk if you ask me. It's why we are where we are today. Wow!!! Get out of your hole and think.

Ya know what?

I am 65 - - - and I still don't know what is real and what isn't.

I question - - - but I do not know.

The older sister was teaching this child from age 6 through age 10 - - - specific conspiracy theories as FACT.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).

I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.

Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.

So you'll be able to function in society. If you wish to learn other things outside of the curriculum, you have been taught how to research and ask quesitons and are free to do that

A lot of people who go to public school are not functioning well in society. Some do not even know how to read or write. The school system is set up to control the child and what they learn, and a lot of parents do not take the initiative to teach their children anything beyond that.

Originally posted by wirefly

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).

I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.

No, she is plenty old enough. If she's old enough to be taught lies, why is she not old enough to be taught truths? Why does she need to go through being taught misinfo only to have to overcome that later when she discovers the truth? That's some crazy talk if you ask me. It's why we are where we are today. Wow!!! Get out of your hole and think.

Your idea of what is truth and what is a lie is the issue. Just because you think it is true doesn't mean it is true. The truth is determined by evidence to support it. Conspiracies have not been proven as truth, hence they are conspiracies and they are not taught as truth because they do not reach the level of what needs to be reached in order to be considered truth

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Jordan River
10 year olds dont need conspiracy talk!

Pffft. Tell you what, the night they broke in on the news to tell everyone that Bin Laden had been killed, my 9 year old said, "That's not true" before her father and I could get one word in.

Children are not stupid.

Some are.....

Why?
2nd.

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).

I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.

Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.

So you'll be able to function in society. If you wish to learn other things outside of the curriculum, you have been taught how to research and ask quesitons and are free to do that

A lot of people who go to public school are not functioning well in society. Some do not even know how to read or write. The school system is set up to control the child and what they learn, and a lot of parents do not take the initiative to teach their children anything beyond that.

Then the problem is with the parent, not with the school

When I was six, my neighbor friend and I were camping in the back yard. He informed me that Russia had bombs that could ruin whole country sides pointed directly at us. He also informed me that we had hundreds of the same bombs pointed at them. You can imagine how I took it as an innocent child that was mostly interested in catching snakes at the park. It gave my life direction, and ultimately lead me down a path that has been full of research into some of the most interesting but untaught parts of our history. It has also brought me to a place of compassion and understanding that stems from a deeper part of the human condition. I believe that most of the problems we face today stem from people just taking themselves and their jobs way too seriously. The issue that OP talks about is no different than a cop shooting from the hip or Bush J smashing Iraq before finding that there were no WMD. Studies have proven that judge starts denying parol more often as the day goes on and he starts getting tired of his job and is getting hungry.

The girl is ten, it seems that it is time for her to learn that sometimes it is better to hold your tongue with some people, especially some who's job it is to promote the establishment.

There is no way to know what kind of good this situation is for her piers though. It may be that there is a whole class out there that will go on to question TPTB after seeing that she is not bending over and taking the propaganda that is pushed into our children through the public school system. The OP may be planting seeds that will someday bring the fruit of positive change.

In the fifties there were no real conspiracies to speak of that were common knowledge to the public. Everyone was hard working, and most held the gov't in high regard.

In the sixties and seventies a deeper truth started to come out, but it was mostly based on nature and the deeper psychological side of the human spirit.

In the eighties people started to recognize that war was a bad thing and we started to second guess our leaders, we started paying attention to gov't scandals. This is when we started to evolve into non thinking consumers and started losing our roots and we became ungrounded as a community.

In the nineties communication became almost instant and portable, transportation became more affordable and computers brought on a doorway to information that the common person was not before privy to. The conspiracy theorist was born and these ideas started to work their way into movies, books, rumors and our discussions.

Y2K was the turning point for most of us, the end was at our doorstep and 911 was the clencher. You would think that we might have learned something or gotten to the point where we started quoting some of this conspiracy crap as truth. Thanks to our public and media based educational systems, we are still struggling with trying to free ourselves from our own stunted perception of reality.

Now we have teachers and principals punishing a little girl for trying to make a joke in a get well card. Do not misconstrue what really happened here folks. The principal and teacher innocently thought they were in the right, and until we all start teaching our kids to take the truth into school themselves and teach the teachers a little something, then it is going to get worse. Who cares if our children are cast out of the social groups. Is that going to ruin them, or keep them from becoming sheep?

I say, do not be afraid to bring your children up spouting what you think of as the most real history, that is what we are here for anyways, we are not conspiracy theorists, we are the true history buffs. We do not accept what the media and school system teaches us as the complete truth, and we are better informed and better prepared because of it. Why should we teach our children to accept what they teach in school as the whole truth? Why would we not want our children to openly question the accepted history in their classes. Do we not want our schools to have an element of open truth discovery?

I say teach your children, and send them to school as little investigators who are not going to accept anything until it is proven first. We need to bring up our children to let the teachers know that they are just tools for helping us find THE truth, not THEIR truth. We may spawn a bunch of misfits and rebellious turds, but in the end you know what will happen? They will grow up, and they will find each other and they will fight the most important battle that has ever been fought by mankind, they will be fighting to save the earth and it will be real and it will be tough.

OP, good for you for trying to spare your little sister the wool coat. She will thank you for it later, and our children will thank you for it later as well, most people do not realize that we are on the brink here as a species and that it is very important for us to spread knowledge and perspective in the right direction.

SnF

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Jordan River
10 year olds dont need conspiracy talk!

Pffft. Tell you what, the night they broke in on the news to tell everyone that Bin Laden had been killed, my 9 year old said, "That's not true" before her father and I could get one word in.

Children are not stupid.

Some are.....

Why?
2nd.

various reaons.... genetics, mutations, biological issues, .... the list is quite extensive

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
Her teacher sometimes tells her "You're too young to know that stuff yet" (and yes, that's an exact quote. Apparently, learning is bad).

I agree with her teacher.

She is not really old enough to comprehend. She is just repeating what she is told.

Isn't that what takes place in school to begin with? IE: In Composition we are taught how to speak and write properly, so we merely repeat what we have learned. In History, we are taught the same, to repeat what it is we have been told.

So you'll be able to function in society. If you wish to learn other things outside of the curriculum, you have been taught how to research and ask quesitons and are free to do that

A lot of people who go to public school are not functioning well in society. Some do not even know how to read or write. The school system is set up to control the child and what they learn, and a lot of parents do not take the initiative to teach their children anything beyond that.

Then the problem is with the parent, not with the school

The parents are responsible for their child's education. So they should understand that the curriculum that is taught to their child is very limiting. There is a certain responsibility that a teacher has to teach that curriculum properly and see that the child is learning, but after that, yes it's on the parents. Unfortunately, many parents believe that what their child learns at school is enough.

crazy double post.

reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX


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Every child should have a few of his works.

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Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

The parents are responsible for their child's education. So they should understand that the curriculum that is taught to their child is very limiting. There is a certain responsibility that a teacher has to teach that curriculum properly and see that the child is learning, but after that, yes it's on the parents. Unfortunately, many parents believe that what their child learns at school is enough.

Precisely!

reply to post by Quauhtli

Yeah, we didn't know nothing in the 60s.
Everybody sing!

Originally posted by Phage

"people who say the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible are making an invalid statement.
this is a logical fallacy. it is the ubiquitous circular thinking fallacy"

And that is exactly what the younger sister is being taught by the older. -Phage

"We can argue this all day, but it states plainly in the scripture not to mesh religions, and that includes religious customs... especially ones that portray to the worship of the sun, the moon, and the earth, which is also directly against the Bible.

I'm not making it evil by calling out it's origins. I'm just making it's evil known."

You are correct that the sister is engaging in fallacies.

i have stated from my very first post that, in my opinion, critical thinking skills should be taught to the young lady, not absolutes.

however this situation, once again in my opinion, is much more detrimental when embraced by the teacher than the sister.
the young lady is merely responding to the more influential figure.
she absolutely is not responding to any coherent beliefs because neither the sister nor the teacher are forming opinions based upon logical thought processes.

these next two points are the foundation for my opinion.

1- the sister has obviously never been shown or taught, adequately, critical thinking skills.
it is therefore impossible to judge her intent because she cannot be intentionally supressing true critical thinking if she does not understand true critical thiking.

2- the teacher, who has been tasked to teach, is punishing.
punishment is a crapshoot.
it does not produce a consistency.
and the teacher is not only employing absolutes, same as the sister, but the teacher is also using punishment to invalidate an opinion.

this is not teaching.

this is bondage.

Originally posted by kyviecaldges

Originally posted by Phage

people who say the bible is the word of god because it says so in the bible are making an invalid statement.
this is a logical fallacy. it is the ubiquitous circular thinking fallacy.

And that is exactly what the younger sister is being taught by the older.

We can argue this all day, but it states plainly in the scripture not to mesh religions, and that includes religious customs... especially ones that portray to the worship of the sun, the moon, and the earth, which is also directly against the Bible.

I'm not making it evil by calling out it's origins. I'm just making it's evil known.

You are correct that the sister is engaging in fallacies.

i have stated from my very first post that, in my opinion, critical thinking skills should be taught to the young lady, not absolutes.

however this situation, once again in my opinion, is much more detrimental when embraced by the teacher than the sister.
the young lady is merely responding to the more influential figure.
she absolutely is not responding to any coherent beliefs because neither the sister nor the teacher are forming opinions based upon logical thought processes.

these next two points are the foundation for my opinion.

1- the sister has obviously never been shown or taught, adequately, critical thinking skills.
it is therefore impossible to judge her intent because she cannot be intentionally supressing true critical thinking if she does not understand true critical thiking.

2- the teacher, who has been tasked to teach, is punishing.
punishment is a crapshoot.
it does not produce a consistency.
and the teacher is not only employing absolutes, same as the sister, but the teacher is also using punishment to invalidate an opinion.

this is not teaching.

this is bondage.

I reject your premise, it is oversimplification and skewed.

reply to post by kyviecaldges

this is not teaching.

this is bondage.

Oh come on.

Ok. It's all the fault of the system. No personal responsibility anywhere.

reply to post by Thunder heart woman

Tell you what, the night they broke in on the news to tell everyone that Bin Laden had been killed, my 9 year old said, "That's not true" before her father and I could get one word in.

And this statement is based on what?

What you've told them to believe?

Clearly this is the case because for all intent and purpose, he is dead.

He will be never seen or heard from again.

So your nine year old, at best, can parrot your ignorance.

You must be proud.

reply to post by PurpleChiten


how is my premise over-simplified or skewed?
really... i would love to hear your answer.

i have a better sentence for you.

my premise is lacking the irrational emotional valence that skews perception toward the extreme polarities found on affective continuum.

sometimes logic is so simple that it's easy man.

reply to post by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
The public school allows questions to only go so far. As long as they fall in line with what the curriculum. The teachers cannot go too far outside of it, or they would lose their jobs.

what is REALLY going on in public schools:

"...the real purpose of American education: brainwash our children"

The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America